Episode 85 - The Adelaide Family Murders Part 2 of 2

0:15 Welcome to Part 2 besties of the family murders in South

0:19 Australia. We are at episode 85 now, so,

0:23 you know, looking down the barrel of that gun still to to

0:26 episode 100, which we're very, very excited about.

0:28 As always, keep your case suggestions coming.

0:31 Yeah, we've had a few lately. We need to do a few more, but

0:33 yeah, we keep adding them to the list.

0:35 But I want to know, like I really, I'm still waiting for

0:37 that one where we're like, yes, that will be 100th episode.

0:40 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:42 I don't know what it is. Yeah, I've.

0:43 Got a couple of ideas, but I'm like, oh, there's things that

0:45 I'd like to know more about and I feel like maybe there's more

0:48 coming. Yeah, yeah, there's definitely a

0:50 few of those at the moment that I've.

0:51 Got yeah. Actually, I saw there's that new

0:54 documentary out about Lucy Letbee that I'm like, oh, do we

0:57 need to redo that? And.

0:58 I'm like, oh, we need to redo it.

1:00 I'm. Not ready.

1:00 I'm not ready. No, we're not ready.

1:02 We can't do it yet, but we will need to redo that.

1:04 Yeah. So I've actually listened to two

1:06 different podcasts about her rewrite.

1:10 So one of them is actually by Amanda Knox.

1:13 Yeah. Which I feel like that's a very.

1:16 She's got a very unique perspective in some ways.

1:20 But then I'm like, is that a that brings a bias?

1:23 I was gonna say, is that a skewed perspective?

1:24 Yeah. Look, some of the things that

1:26 she talks about, I'm like, I can totally see that.

1:28 I I get where you're coming from.

1:30 Yeah. And then other things I'm like,

1:33 oh, my skeptic hat is still on, so watch this space.

1:37 I think we are gonna have to re record something though, because

1:39 there is definitely a lot of things that you and I in our in

1:44 our episode, we were like, Oh yeah, this is the way it is

1:47 because that's what everyone thought.

1:49 That's the way it. Was being presented at trial we.

1:51 Really. Absolutely.

1:52 It was the way it was being presented.

1:53 We didn't do anything wrong. No, at the time we thought these

1:55 things were fact because they were presented at trial like

1:58 fact. And we now know that's not true.

2:00 But still even on that, I'm still to me that it's still

2:04 different perspectives it and that doesn't make I.

2:07 Do I do agree with you? Yeah.

2:09 But we didn't have anything contradicting what was said

2:12 before. And I think it brings an element

2:14 of doubt. Yeah, yeah.

2:16 And so I, I do think we're gonna have to redo it at some point.

2:19 I I reckon it's years away. Same, honestly don't know that

2:22 there's going to be a retrial. I really I.

2:24 Don't know, I don't there will be a retrial.

2:27 Well, they'd have to get around some pretty, I mean, UK, the,

2:30 the law they're in. This is really.

2:32 Strict and stuff. They're actually trying.

2:33 I know they're trying to change the law, I get that, but how

2:36 long is that? Gonna yeah, that's what I mean.

2:38 It's gonna be years. Yeah, that's why I just do.

2:40 I don't know. Yeah, just don't know.

2:41 Anyway, if you do go back and listen to our Lucy Let Be

2:44 episode, just know that we know. We don't know at all.

2:49 It's like that episode of Friends where it's like, you

2:51 know that I know, but you don't know that I know that you know.

2:54 I know exactly what you just said.

2:58 I did also watch this week though.

3:00 There's a new docker at the moment about Lamar Odom.

3:05 Oh, Oh my God, I'm desperate to watch this because in the short

3:09 of it, Kris Jenner's in it. Oh.

3:11 Chloe's in it. Yeah, yeah.

3:13 Oh my God. Yeah, Yeah.

3:14 Well, you need to watch it, OK, because I have so much to talk

3:17 about. Just the name in itself.

3:18 I literally had to then Google because I'm like, it was called,

3:22 it's called the Death and lives of of Lamar Odom.

3:26 And I'm like, something happened that I wasn't aware of.

3:29 He's alive. What the hell?

3:31 And I'm like Googling kindly, you know, love Odom is.

3:33 Like he's alive. He's.

3:35 No, I'm right. He's still alive.

3:36 Like he'd have died but to me I don't agree with the name.

3:40 I understand he had a near death experience, I completely get

3:42 that and he probably should have died from what he experienced.

3:45 But that title is very misleading like.

3:48 I mean it gets. It got me in, yeah.

3:53 Oh wow. I have some opinions and I

3:56 Chloe's my favorite Kardashian. Yes, same.

3:59 And there's some things in that that I kind of go fuck me,

4:03 they're fucked. Yeah.

4:04 Oh, they're fucked. I mean, you've seen all of these

4:06 things that went lately where people are like putting their

4:10 changing their profile picture to Kris Jenner and they're

4:12 getting like job interviews. They're getting like people, a

4:15 lot of followers and what, who's.

4:19 Believing this shit. Well, no, I don't know.

4:22 The people, just I don't know. I don't know.

4:24 Look into it. Just some real Kris Jenner

4:29 energy. Some real momager energy.

4:30 Yeah, I have to say I love her facelift that she got recently.

4:34 But it's flawless. It is.

4:35 I look at her and I'm like, you're pretty much the same age

4:39 as my mum. She looks like Kim now.

4:41 She looks like Kim. She looks exactly the same.

4:43 Yeah. I mean, they've done an amazing.

4:44 Job. I think Kim's pierced.

4:46 Oh, wouldn't you be? Oh, no, you'd be like, give me

4:48 the name. I need to know who you've been

4:49 to. Name Naman.

4:52 Naman just a crossover of our 20 God.

5:00 Sorry, yes, curiously. What the fuck?

5:02 I mean it, it is amazing, but then do you want to look like

5:06 you're in your 30s when you're 70 something?

5:08 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think, you know,

5:10 ageing gracefully is one thing, but then there's like, but if

5:13 you can look like that, why not? Well.

5:14 That's true too. I guess her partner is

5:17 considerably younger than her as well.

5:18 She's got to keep up with him. That's true.

5:21 Yeah, maybe. I mean, you know what?

5:23 Or powder. Anyone who wants to do that,

5:24 honestly, yeah. Hey whoever that doctor is like

5:28 Jesus Christ, yeah, I bet he charges a fortune or she and

5:31 well worth it. Incredible, Absolutely

5:35 incredible. I'd like to seat up close.

5:37 Yeah, No, I have to say, yeah, that was something I didn't

5:40 think. I think it's it's probably a

5:41 combination of good, very, very talented surgeon, but very

5:45 talented, you know, makeup artists and lighting.

5:48 Oh yeah, yeah. It's all about the lighting.

5:50 Yeah. Have you seen these, like

5:51 Youtubers who do vlogs? Did we talk?

5:54 I can't Remember Remember we talked about this in the oh,

5:58 what's Ruby Frankie case or not, but they changed the light bulbs

6:03 in their homes so that when they're vlogging at home,

6:06 they've got lighting. Oh, I don't know if it's no, if

6:08 it's warm or cool, What is it? I don't know whatever, but they

6:11 changed to LED lights. Maybe I don't even know, but

6:14 just so that the. Lights the LED.

6:15 I don't know man, they change it to something so it looks better

6:18 when they're vlogging. Bathroom lighting.

6:21 Can you imagine the lighting in the Kardashians?

6:23 Homes that would be That's why. That's why Kim's house is white.

6:26 Yeah, it's good reflections. Good reflections.

6:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, funny as now I've.

6:32 We had a family lunch the other day and we were talking about

6:38 what is your desert island food? Oh.

6:43 And I'm really interested to know what yours is.

6:46 Do I have to get it from the desert island or am I like

6:48 bringing it with? Me, you can bring it with you

6:50 because someone said. OK, I can't do this.

6:53 Oh, why? Because I can't do the same

6:57 food. You look physically really

6:58 uncomfortable, right? Now I am because I can't.

7:03 That's one of my things. I will be obsessed with a

7:07 particular food, but for a short period of time and then I can't

7:12 anymore. Yeah, I I actually totally get

7:15 that. I'm like that with a lot of

7:16 things. Like I'll go through a phase

7:18 where every time I walk past a sushi shop, I'll buy sushi.

7:21 Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, Oh my God,

7:23 like. I thought of putting sushi in my

7:25 mouth. Makes me want a gag.

7:26 Yes, yeah, I get. That yeah, because like I've

7:28 got, OK, you know how people say like your taste buds only leave

7:31 a certain amount of time and once, yeah, I gotta think that's

7:34 bullshit because every now and then I'll get like a flavour

7:37 that I'll like, imagine in my brain and in my mouth and I'll

7:40 be like, what is that something I've eaten before?

7:43 And I'm like, now I want it. And I can't even remember what

7:46 it was like. It'll be like even a combination

7:48 of foods or I don't know, it's something that I've eaten once,

7:51 Once Upon a time and I'll be like need it.

7:54 I need it, but I can't even make out what it.

7:56 Is Oh that sucks. Yeah.

7:58 That absolutely sucks. I've got a couple from childhood

8:00 still that I'm like, I don't think you can buy it anymore and

8:02 I want it. You know what it is?

8:04 Nah, 01 of them's like a God. It was something you used to get

8:09 from the deli, a bit of meat. It was like a cold meat.

8:11 Not Devon, No, it was not devily faced.

8:14 No, no, no, no. It had like actually had.

8:16 It was like a salami ish kind of thing, but it had like big

8:20 chunks of like peppercorns like in it.

8:22 So when it was sliced, it had like these big peppercorns in

8:25 it. Yum.

8:29 I would, yeah, I'd love that at the moment.

8:30 But I you can't buy it, right? I don't even know where.

8:34 I don't know. Where would you even go?

8:36 Franklin's ain't. No, no frills left.

8:41 No frills left. Yeah, yeah, no, no.

8:43 It's like, oh there's like yeah. So I don't know if I could have

8:46 like 1 food that I then live on in an island because I I know

8:49 I'm going to get over it real real quick.

8:52 But there's not something where you'd be like, I would have to

8:54 come. I think I'm gonna hold you to

8:56 this. You've gotta you've gotta choose

8:58 something. Water I'll.

9:01 Make that so fucking boring I. Don't know.

9:04 Let's say water is a really hard water is a given, OK.

9:07 Honey, soy chips, the Oh, you do.

9:10 Love deli deli and honey soy chicken.

9:12 I do return it but again I have to have breaks from them too.

9:14 If you know, if they go on sale and I get 2 bags or something,

9:17 say, and I've I've had them in the cupboard, I then I don't

9:21 want them again until they're on sale again.

9:22 Like kind of thing like, oh, that works Well, yeah, no, it

9:24 works because it's like, no, I, I, I'm like, oh God, I'm over

9:28 them. Like, I can't even if I see them

9:29 on sale early between, you know, kind of him, like, Nah, Nah.

9:32 Not buying them. Yeah.

9:34 OK. So Peter was like, Peter's was

9:37 like Schnitzel. He loves a Schnitzel.

9:40 Yeah. And I was like, OK.

9:41 That's really bland for him though.

9:43 It is. It is because we also decided

9:46 that condiments were not allowed.

9:48 Oh, see. No, see my I.

9:50 Need to but but then, but then mine I was like, I need a

9:53 condiment on mine. So then I revised, yeah, I

9:55 revised it. And I was like, OK, you can.

9:56 Have a a sauce, a dip, that's yeah, it's all about it.

10:01 Someone else said a cow because then they can have like a steak

10:07 they can make. Yeah, but I'm not cutting that

10:10 thing up. It's I'm gonna become best

10:11 friends with it. Yeah, Nah, yeah.

10:14 And then what else did we have? I can't even remember what else

10:17 we had. But my thing now, I think I was

10:20 actually really clever because I said, like, a chicken salad,

10:28 because then you're getting all your food groups, right.

10:31 I would have like, you'd have all your salad, veggies.

10:34 Yeah. Cheese, obviously, because

10:36 you're not, you know, an idiot. But not idiots.

10:40 You'd have your protein from your chicken.

10:42 Yeah, it's good. And then you could have like an

10:44 olive oil kind of dressing for some good fats.

10:47 Yeah. So I feel like nutritionally,

10:50 yeah. And maybe you could have like a

10:52 few pepitas or some crunch on there, but a nutritional yeast

10:56 or something to really to really, yeah, 'cause you'd need

11:02 your bit of vitamins. Yeah, bit of nutritional yeast,

11:04 maybe a few chickpeas in there. Yeah, you can fucking chickpeas

11:07 right off. Oh yeah.

11:08 Love a chickpea in a salad. Oh I love a chickpea at any

11:11 time. Although the other day mum was

11:13 like oh I made your dad a nice high protein.

11:16 Was it a cake or a cookie? God, now I can't remember what

11:19 it. Was and I'm making cookies.

11:20 And Mum, sorry, what else did? She put in.

11:23 Those we all know what Lynn wants to put in a cookie, but

11:26 then she showed it to me. We're in a video call.

11:28 She showed it to me. I'm like, it looks so fucking

11:30 dry. What have you done with that

11:31 thing? And she's like, oh, I use

11:33 chickpea flour. I'm like, oh, I love chickpeas,

11:35 but Nah, Nah and dad goes, oh, no, it looks really nice.

11:39 I'm like, well good luck eating your.

11:40 Dad's nice, yeah. So nice.

11:47 Oh, anyway, Dad let us know how it was because I haven't

11:50 actually followed up and asked you.

11:52 He's probably still gagging. Gagging it down with a giant

11:55 glass of water. Oh God, fun you.

11:58 Know that's a good choice. I can.

12:00 I can understand your thinking, yeah.

12:02 I was trying to be strategic. It's not necessarily the thing

12:04 that I would want to eat forever.

12:06 No, but a good, yeah, good choice.

12:08 I guess if you because you could then like from that array of

12:12 foods that have arrived, you could separate.

12:14 Them and make other things that's right like you could have

12:16 a bit of cheese and tomato that's.

12:18 Cheeky of you to do that, I. Could have a net croutons.

12:21 Yeah, so you do almost like a Caesar salad, kind of.

12:24 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

12:26 I'd come to your desert islands. Olives.

12:29 Oh yeah. Yum.

12:31 Olives, yeah, yeah. And I want to do like some

12:34 stuffed olives or like nice. No, no, no, no.

12:36 Kalamata in a salad or one of those.

12:40 Oh you know what I love? Those marinated split green

12:42 olives from Woolies from the deli section.

12:45 Woolies are so good and good. Yes, yes.

12:48 Guys, let us know what your desert island food is.

12:51 We do do it 'cause it's like one of my favourites is I do my

12:54 platter day Saturday. Oh yeah.

12:55 Thanks Fadam. Yeah, get onto Fidan talk if

12:59 you're not. Yeah.

13:01 And like just to have, I needed a variety.

13:03 I need variety. So to have like I always have my

13:05 olives and then on that. Oh yeah, yeah.

13:08 Oh I love a pickled anything good.

13:10 Oh, cheddar cheese. Sharp cheddar.

13:12 Do you like the Mercy Valley? Love the Mercy Valley.

13:14 Me too. Yeah.

13:16 Which one? Which one do you?

13:17 Like, do you know, I, I'd have to go a classic.

13:20 Like, you know, it's just a given.

13:22 Yeah. But I quite like many of the

13:25 others actually. The which one or the pickled?

13:28 Onion pickled onion 1 I actually quite like.

13:30 Yeah, I'm quite good. For me too.

13:32 Yeah, but yeah, if I've got just got a classic Coco.

13:34 Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

13:36 Yeah. Yum Yum sound.

13:38 I bloody want cheese now I. Know and I've actually followed

13:40 this chick on TikTok. Oh no Instagram, sorry.

13:43 And she makes her own dips, so dip and chip and wine and she so

13:47 she basically matches her dips to her wine.

13:50 Oh my God, I love this. Oh.

13:51 I'll get you on it. It's so good that I'm like, oh

13:53 God, I need to start making my own dips.

13:55 Holy crap. What kind of dips does she make?

13:57 Everything. Oh, and they're so good.

13:58 Oh, they. Sound.

13:59 That sounds amazing. The last one she did the other

14:01 night was as a real it was quite basic in a lot of ways.

14:04 What was hot honey on it and stuff?

14:05 Oh, I love her. I was just like, oh, and like,

14:08 yeah, she matches all of her different chip with her dip and

14:11 then her wine and she'll. Yeah, so.

14:13 We went to our local ice cream shop this week last week and

14:18 they had a hot honey flavoured ice cream and it, Oh no it was

14:25 so good Oh my God it was good my.

14:27 Brain's just exploded. Oh, it was actually amazing

14:31 because you can have like chocolate chili ice cream.

14:34 So this is just like, yeah, honey chili, ice cream, but.

14:36 Chocolate and ice cream where it's honey and ice cream.

14:40 Oh, no, it was really good. Yeah, it was Yum.

14:43 Yeah, totally up. My ally loved it.

14:46 Well, I think I might have to try it.

14:47 Yeah, I do love a bit of hot honey.

14:49 Me too, and. I just don't use it enough like

14:51 I wanna use it on more things. I very often eat cottage cheese

14:57 on toast for breakfast and I put hot honey on that because it

14:59 just makes it makes halitable. Yeah.

15:02 Yeah, I get that. I mean, you know, we're women in

15:06 our 40s. We need our protein, but we need

15:07 our protein to taste delicious. It tastes good, yeah.

15:10 I need to want to eat the protein.

15:12 Yes, yes, yeah. I need some spice in my life.

15:16 Yeah, you do. Speaking of spice, in our life,

15:23 I'm being, I'm actually, I, we. So, you know, we've got Piper, a

15:33 little groodle. She's not that little anymore.

15:35 She's definitely growing. And I've been, you know, you

15:39 feed, obviously your algorithms work and do what they need to

15:42 do. Listening to you all the time?

15:44 Absolutely. Yeah, so part of what's been

15:47 coming up in my feed lately is all this stuff about like how to

15:50 create train a groodle, how to, you know, tell you know, all

15:53 these videos about groodles. And I'm like, Oh, my God, she is

15:57 the quintessential groodle because one of the memes is

16:00 like, how to create train your groodle.

16:02 And then it's just a photo of your groodle in bed with its

16:05 head, head on your pillow, under the covers, all tucked in with

16:07 its little paws. Like, that is 100%.

16:12 This morning, Peter decided he'd have a little sleep in.

16:16 And so I got up and I was doing a few things then, you know,

16:18 decided it was time to wake up. So I, like, aggressively opened

16:21 the bedroom door just to, like, make sure he, you know, he knew

16:24 it was time for him to get up. And as I open the door, I look

16:29 over onto the bed and then just, like, both tucked up on the same

16:32 pillow, just like having a nice little snuggle.

16:35 Yeah. I'm like, oh, my God.

16:37 Oh my God. She's not getting off that bed

16:40 for no one. No, there's no chance.

16:42 I think she sounds like she might have gone to bed with with

16:45 Ollie tonight. Oh.

16:47 I. Love that yes, she's a little

16:49 cutie. Oh thank you, how?

16:50 My rather large dog. He doesn't go upstairs at my

16:53 place but has recently started going up and waking up Mason

16:57 upstairs. What time does he go up?

16:59 Mace reckons it was a sort of about 4/30, 5:00 in the morning.

17:02 He's been doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:05 So then Mace is like, has been bringing him back down.

17:08 But I'm like, he could just keep him up there.

17:09 He's like looking for you if he wants to stay.

17:11 And he's like, can he get on my bed?

17:13 And I'm like, well, probably, probably not, because Mason is

17:18 the entire bed. He does you.

17:19 Know. He's got a double bed though, so

17:21 you should have room. But so I said yeah, if you want,

17:24 that's totally fine. I don't, it doesn't bother me,

17:26 but I just don't know that he'll stay.

17:28 But yeah, there's nothing better than a kid having that dog in

17:31 their. Bed.

17:33 I love it. It's so.

17:34 Cute. Yeah.

17:34 I mean, gosh, if Chris will do it then go for it.

17:36 But I mean, have fun. You don't get much bed left.

17:40 They'll have to fight each other for the for the real estate, the

17:43 bed real estate. Yeah, I mean, go on the king bed

17:45 and myself with him, with Griz. It's like, no, no, no, you're

17:47 off. Yeah, bugger away because he has

17:49 to touch you too. Like he's got to have his leg on

17:52 your head on you. So yeah, no thanks.

17:54 And that's a heavy leg and a heavy head.

17:56 It's rather large, yeah, yeah. Oh Grizz bless.

18:00 Oh, he's 40. 4 Yep, we've been doing a bit of home improvement

18:05 and home renovations. We are, you know, as time goes

18:10 on your needs change with kids and stuff.

18:13 And so we've decided we're going to, we've got like a little al

18:16 fresco area outside and we've decided we're going to enclose

18:21 it and step, like put some cafe blinds or whatever.

18:25 Because I'm like, as the kids get older and their friends come

18:27 over, am I actually going to want stinky boys in my house?

18:30 No. You want an outside when I can

18:32 shove them outside? Yeah.

18:34 Yes, and watch the footy out there.

18:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So step one of that today was

18:39 getting ATV for outside and installing that.

18:42 Well, I think thank God there were no video cameras watching

18:48 Peter and I installing this TV because we were just screaming

18:51 at each other. No, you never do that.

18:53 And. Then at the end of it, I said to

18:57 him, I'm like, is this TV gonna stay on the wall?

19:00 And he's like. It's really, really confident.

19:05 Very, very assured. He's like, I'm sure it's fine.

19:07 I mean, I think it is fine. We've given it a big old.

19:09 We'll pull on a push on it, yeah.

19:12 Yeah. But yeah, it's just, it really

19:14 made me stop though and think about Oh my God.

19:16 Like, yeah, our house is changing, our needs are

19:18 changing, what was fit for purpose once is no longer.

19:22 And it's all getting a bit marred.

19:24 I know. They're growing up.

19:26 Yeah, I. Hate it.

19:27 I. Hate.

19:28 It just, it's just awful. And then we were talking before

19:31 about when they're going to start driving and all of that

19:35 sort of stuff like it's too soon, it's.

19:36 Way too soon. I feel like.

19:39 My niece recently turned 14 and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

19:43 no, she's 3, right? Like that's where I'm at still.

19:46 Yeah, yeah, they're little, little not OK with this teenage

19:51 stuff like looming on us. No, it's in high school and all

19:56 that. I know, yeah.

19:57 It's just terrifying, yeah. It's a whole new world.

20:01 It really. Is so one of our one, someone

20:04 wrote to us a message recently on saying how that she's got

20:08 really young two boys, the same as us, but young like kids now 3

20:12 year old kind of stuff. And I, I said to her that it's,

20:16 it's, we can just absolutely attest to the fact that it will

20:19 absolutely get different. It's not gonna get any better.

20:25 I think it just changes all the time.

20:28 But it's, I mean, I'll look back and kind of go, there's like

20:30 moments where I go, oh, I wish it was back when they were that

20:32 little. But I think about it then more

20:35 so and then go actually, no. I'm glad we've got half back.

20:37 Yeah. I think about the physicality of

20:39 what life was like when the kids were that age.

20:41 And I'm like, oh, that was really exhausting, So

20:44 exhausting. But then it just gets mentally.

20:47 Now it's. Like, if you're just a taxi

20:49 driver, it's permanent sports and going from one place to

20:52 another. And how are we gonna

20:53 logistically manage all of these?

20:56 Yes. And then school work and

20:58 everything else that comes a lot.

21:00 It's a lot. Yeah.

21:01 Yeah. It never.

21:02 Ends and people with even older kids than ours say the same

21:05 thing. It just gets different.

21:08 It doesn't get easier. It just gets different.

21:11 Yeah, this is what we've got to look forward to.

21:14 Speaking of people who've been in contact, we've got some shout

21:16 outs for today. So we've got Tennille, Tanki,

21:19 Meg from WA and Tara Bethune who sent us a really, really,

21:24 they've all, sorry, sent us really lovely messages, I think

21:27 on Instagram. So thank you so much for

21:29 reaching out. It's very much appreciated.

21:33 Love reading all of the messages and and interacting over there.

21:37 It's it's. Awesome.

21:38 Yeah, keep it coming and keep telling us what you want.

21:40 Yep, more than happy to hear it. Any suggestions you've got?

21:43 Yeah, bring them on. We've got lots of things in the

21:46 pipe works, but we're, you know, open to suggestions.

21:49 Always all right, let's get into it.

21:51 I think I feel like we're stalling to get into we might be

21:54 Part 2. We're recording this on the same

21:56 day as we did Part 1. So it's been a a big night.

21:59 It's. A long 1, long 11's, just, you

22:01 know, petering off. So yeah, I'll be ready to drive

22:06 once. Yeah, yeah, that'll be OG, OG.

22:10 No worries. Yeah.

22:12 All right. So we are today talking about,

22:15 we're going into the second part of this two parter about the

22:19 family murders in South Australia, in Adelaide.

22:23 Now, if you haven't listened to the first episode, you really do

22:26 need to go back and listen. There's there's a lot, a lot.

22:28 And also we're not going to really be going over any of

22:31 that. So you'll need the context in

22:33 order to understand what's going on.

22:35 Not in this episode. For sure.

22:37 Okay, so we basically left off last episode.

22:40 There were multiple men and boys who'd been kidnapped, brutally

22:45 murdered, their bodies left just to be basically discarded on the

22:51 side of the road or over a bridge or whatever it was.

22:54 And at this point, although a lot of information has been

22:59 given to the police, they're not really putting anything

23:01 together. And it actually took the death

23:05 of a fairly high profile boy in order for this to kind of all

23:10 come together. Which I mean, it's sad that that

23:12 was the case, but thank fuck it was because I can't even imagine

23:15 where this would have gone had that not actually occurred.

23:18 I completely agree. Yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of

23:22 actually scary where this would have led very much if if this

23:26 wasn't where it kind of. I mean, I don't think, I don't

23:29 think it's yeah, I think we'd be silly to say that this was

23:32 overdue to this. I think there's definitely

23:35 victims beyond. Agreed.

23:37 But at least there was someone held a candle ball after this

23:41 point and there's people looking at things.

23:43 That's true. That's very, very true.

23:45 Yeah, so we're going to start off today's episode with the

23:51 murder of Richard Kelvin. Now Richard was the son of a

24:00 very, Yeah, a very well known Adelaide news anchor.

24:04 Well, at. This point in his career, he was

24:06 only fairly new. Rob Kelvin, he was he'd been on

24:09 he'd been doing sort of new sports reports and things like

24:12 that, but he wasn't he'd only just started in in 1983, which

24:16 is when we pick up this bit here with his son that year he had

24:21 started reading the news as a permanent position at the desk

24:25 he. Must have.

24:26 So I mean, this happened in the middle of that year.

24:29 So obviously in that first half of the year he'd garnered quite

24:36 in a massing of supporters then because he was quite hope high

24:41 profile, like as in people, everyone knew who he was.

24:44 Yeah, yeah. And he'd been on the TV for like

24:47 considerable. So I think I think he might have

24:49 started in 70, 8, something like that, OK, doing like sports

24:53 reports and things like that and other and other gigs.

24:55 But it wasn't until 1983 that he was actually reading the Channel

24:57 9 news, OK, As a permanent gig anchor.

25:00 Yeah. He's an anchor.

25:01 So this was, Yeah, his first year doing that.

25:04 He, I mean, he retired in 2010. Yeah.

25:07 But this was his first year as that role, in that role.

25:10 Not to know he wasn't. Yeah.

25:11 Not to say he wasn't known until this point.

25:13 Like, they don't obviously come out of nowhere.

25:14 He's been doing other gigs and then they've gone.

25:16 Hey, it's your turn now. Yeah, you're up for it.

25:19 But yeah. So he was only feeling new to

25:20 the role, though, in that sense. Yeah, Yeah.

25:23 So unfortunately his 15 year old son was subjected to what you

25:29 know, the absolute horrific torture that we described in

25:35 last week's episode. So in this is in 1983, around

25:40 the 5th of June, I think it was in 1983.

25:43 Now when we talk about these kinds of crimes and we talk

25:47 about the escalations, I definitely think that's where

25:51 things were going here. And what I mean by that is that

25:55 we had several of these victims that we spoke about last week.

25:59 Some of them were kept for days, some of them were murdered and

26:02 discarded, you know, on the same day.

26:04 So where this one differs, and is that unfortunately for

26:11 Richard's sake, he was kept for five weeks before he was

26:16 murdered. But I know, I think there's a

26:20 there is a difference in this one in that, yeah, he was kept a

26:23 hell of a lot longer. But I mean, there was a lot of

26:26 publicity when he went missing, right?

26:28 Because of who his dad was. He was, he was immediately all

26:31 over the news. I find it interesting and we can

26:34 get to it when we get to where he's where his body was found of

26:37 like that. Some of the things were done to

26:41 previous bodies were not done to his.

26:44 But I'm I dare say he endured a hell of a lot for a longer

26:47 period of time. Yeah, I think, I think that kind

26:50 of came out find interest Topsy as well.

26:52 But yes, I agree, I agree with what you're saying.

26:54 So the way that this all came about in relation to Kelvin, in

27:02 relation to Richard's disappearance and subsequent

27:06 murder. So on this particular date, he

27:09 was a very sporty young man, loved playing footy and he had

27:14 actually had a footy game earlier that day.

27:16 He'd come home, one of his mates had come over and they were,

27:19 they'd actually gone to the local, like it's literally

27:24 around the corner from the House of footy Oval and they've gone

27:26 there with Rob. So with his dad, his dad had had

27:29 a bit of a kick with them. He'd gone home and they'd sort

27:32 of finished off what they were doing and they went back to the

27:35 Kelvin family home. Now it came time for his friend

27:39 to go home and so so Richard decided to walk his mate to the

27:46 bus stop and which was like literally 60 meters down the

27:50 road. Something like that.

27:51 It's really not. Really.

27:52 Yeah. Not really.

27:53 Basically at the end of their St.

27:55 Yeah. And in doing so, his mom was

27:59 basically said to him, all right, quickly, you can go and

28:02 drop him off, but then you've got to come straight back home

28:03 because I've got dinner on the stove and it'll be ready by the

28:06 time you get back. Yep, you can't.

28:07 Don't rely. Yeah.

28:08 Yep, your dinner will be in the bin if you're not back in time.

28:10 Yep. Fair.

28:11 Yeah, except in this instant. Wow.

28:15 So basically the next that we know is that a witness who lives

28:21 in the street heard a cry, a scream out for help.

28:26 He then heard a car door slam. And this bit kind of got me.

28:31 And I'm not, I don't know whether this is true or not or

28:35 whether it's an embellishment of the truth.

28:37 But he he is a really light exhaust going and he identifies

28:41 the car by the sound of the exhaust.

28:43 Oh, I didn't know that, I said. That was a really loud exhaust,

28:45 but OK. And he's like, oh, that's the

28:48 exhaust of a HQ Holden Commodore or Colden, whatever.

28:52 OK. And so I don't, I don't know if

28:56 you can do that, because apparently it had quite a

28:58 distinct sound. Some people who are really sport

29:01 are really car orientated. Maybe I don't know, I actually

29:04 don't know whether that's even possible.

29:05 But anyway, that's that's where the report, you know, I've seen

29:08 that reported in several places. Yeah.

29:10 And as a female voice kind of identified too that they would,

29:13 they heard high pitched. High pitched, Yeah.

29:16 Female ish voice. I was heard.

29:17 Yeah, yeah. So at the time, Kelvin was

29:23 wearing a dog collar around his neck.

29:25 This just kind of, I think I feel like it kind of gives a

29:31 sense of his age, like his 15 years old playfulness of it kind

29:35 of a bit of a sign of the times as well.

29:38 I remember I've actually got a very funny story about a dog

29:41 collar when I was a little girl. We as a family lived in Mexico

29:47 for a few years. And my brother got really,

29:50 really, really sick when we got there, like, you know, dealing

29:53 with all of the sicknesses that come from living in a third

29:56 world country. And he got, yeah, really, really

30:00 sick. And we, we got there and we had

30:02 this, they're very big into their concerts and stuff.

30:06 And we had a Christmas concert. We had to wear a white outfit.

30:10 And then we got given colour belt that we had to wear, and I

30:14 think mine was red, and Matthew had to have a green one.

30:17 Yeah. And mum was like, I couldn't

30:19 find a Greenbelt anywhere for Matthew, but because he'd been

30:22 so sick, he was so sick that Mum was able to find a green dog

30:26 collar that fit around his way. I mean, it's funny now, but at

30:31 the time you look back at the photos, oh, God, you're really

30:34 sick. You're really, really awful.

30:38 But anyway, that just reminded me of that.

30:40 But I do remember, like at the I, you know, in certain kind of

30:44 scenes, like kids did that it was just kind of an expression.

30:47 Yeah. I don't know.

30:48 And this later came out a little bit too of like it was a bit of

30:51 a joke like that he was wearing it.

30:52 It was a bit of. A prankster, right?

30:53 Yeah, yeah. And it was the family dogs

30:56 collar. Yeah.

30:56 Like, and it was kind of just a bit of a joke that he was having

30:59 that he was wearing it so. And I think he'd done it before.

31:01 It was a funny little bit. Yeah, Yeah.

31:05 So this is just horrific. So obviously he doesn't come

31:09 home. No.

31:10 And again, immediately, I mean, mum and dad go out looking for

31:14 him. He's nowhere to be seen.

31:16 They again, immediately contact the police, put on them.

31:19 They did the right thing. They've reported him as a

31:21 missing person. Yeah, I think as you said,

31:24 because of the high profile nature of Rob and his.

31:28 Yeah, I mean. His profile in the.

31:30 Right, Wrong. Whatever his dad being in the

31:33 position he was in, I think you've got my real high media.

31:36 Contact work and get this out there to anyone.

31:39 I mean he. Found it.

31:40 You know easier than anyone else to be able to obviously get this

31:43 out through the media. And it was He went easily.

31:45 Do whatever you could. Totally, totally.

31:47 I don't. I feel for the families who

31:49 couldn't get this kind of level of attention to their child's

31:52 missing, but this family did and for whatever, like, you know,

31:56 that's as you want to see that, but it happened.

31:59 Yeah. So everyone was aware of him

32:01 missing. It was highly publicized.

32:04 Yeah. Which I Yeah.

32:05 I then find it that just a bit of an interesting as to.

32:07 I don't know. I just question whether.

32:10 I mean, clearly the people who've taken him know he's

32:12 missing and who he is and pair that up, surely, do you think?

32:15 Yeah, yeah, they know who they've got.

32:18 And I wonder whether. They know who they've got.

32:20 Yeah. And I just wonder whether like,

32:23 did they, I mean, yeah, well, you don't know whether he was

32:25 targeted in any particular reason.

32:27 Well, I can't imagine he was targeted.

32:29 The only reason I say that is how would they have known that

32:31 in that 60 seconds? Probably.

32:34 This is it. I think it was a.

32:36 It was random. And then they were like, oh

32:37 fuck, we fucking kidnapped a high profile child here.

32:41 Yeah. But then do you think that added

32:43 to the fact that he was kept alive for SO?

32:46 Long I think it meant he was treated differently.

32:49 I do. I think that's, and I really

32:50 honestly think it's why he was kept for so long was because

32:54 there was things they wanted this, you know, they wanted to

32:57 do to him that they held back. Yep.

33:00 Physically, you know, from those things like the, you know,

33:04 cutting up the body, et cetera. So I think things got held off

33:07 because, and therefore, unfortunately, I think he would

33:10 have been abused more heavily sexually and all those sorts of

33:13 things. And I think he would have the

33:15 torture in that sense would have been way probably potentially

33:18 worse than the the previous victims in that sense.

33:20 Yeah. I just that's who I'm my feeling

33:23 is on this one that they. I I feel the same way, like I

33:27 think that because they held him for so much longer, I feel like

33:30 the brutality of the rapes that he endured and all of the sexual

33:33 trauma. But there's also another

33:36 significant difference to this one in that so we'll say his

33:40 body was found seven weeks after he went went missing and that it

33:44 was proven by using maggots, etcetera, the decomposition when

33:48 his body was found as to that, he'd been probably dumped maybe

33:51 two weeks prior to them finding the body, but his body hadn't

33:57 had it had been washed down like the other bodies, but he'd been

34:00 redressed in the clothes that he was.

34:03 That he'd seen in including the dog.

34:05 Collar yeah, all that put back on him whereas as we said the

34:09 previous victims they had been put in different clothing now

34:14 we'll get to it as to why that's significant like kind of in

34:17 terms of how that caught out someone but I really honestly

34:23 believe that there were certain people involved in this at that

34:26 point who went oh I'm out I'm not participating in this so

34:32 that. Yeah, because he was so.

34:33 So high profile someone's that people have backed away from

34:36 this. I agree.

34:37 And then the person who's left with dealing with it has then

34:40 treat has done like putting the same his clothes back on being

34:44 the same clothes he had. Yeah.

34:46 Has is linked to that. You know what I mean?

34:48 Yep. I fully, I think you've, I think

34:50 you're right. Yeah.

34:51 I I agree with you wholeheartedly.

34:53 When the autopsy was done, they found that he died of massive

34:59 lot, massive blood loss due to anal injury.

35:03 So injury to his anal cavity. Yeah.

35:07 They also found that he'd suffered severe blows to his

35:10 head, none of which were likely to cause his death.

35:13 No, they were inflicted pre mortem because one of the

35:19 hemorrhages. So what they think had happened

35:20 was that he'd actually been tortured for all of the weeks

35:25 that he was missing prior to his death because a couple of the

35:30 brain hemorrhages that were caused by these blunt force

35:33 traumas to his head had actually started to resolve.

35:36 So they know it had been they'd probably been inflicted fairly

35:39 early on after his kidnapping. Or maybe that's how they to get

35:44 him in the car. Or once he'd started screaming,

35:46 maybe that's how they stopped him from screaming.

35:48 He did also have a tooth that had been knocked out.

35:52 Now they believe that that occurred either very close to

35:55 before he was he died, or just after he died.

35:59 Okay, yeah, yeah. Again, trying to subdue him.

36:03 That's an interesting 1, isn't it?

36:05 I wonder what happened there. Yeah, the autopsy also showed

36:09 traces of alcohol, Mandrax, Noctec, Amytol, Valium and

36:15 Rohypnol in his system. Yeah, I find that interesting

36:18 that he was kept for the longest and then and obviously they've

36:22 had they've used varying drugs across the time or whatever that

36:26 was left in his system. Yeah.

36:28 Yeah. There was other forensics found

36:30 with him, which is what I was getting out with the clothing.

36:32 No, yeah, no, yeah. So on him they found hair fibres

36:39 and some other clothing and and material fibres in his clothing

36:44 that they immediately, you know, went and took to the the lab to

36:47 go and have looked at, which was significant and come up later.

36:51 Which really is interesting because if the clothing had been

36:55 switched out, those fibres wouldn't be there, which is

36:59 really interesting. In terms of the MO it really is

37:02 and it and it ended up being a little bit, you know, after the

37:06 undoing. Yeah, that's it.

37:09 So with Richard Calvin's murder, as we said, it got was so high

37:12 profile and in the news, I think the police finally had to like

37:16 kind of go, we need to do something.

37:17 And they did sort of kind of get off their asses a bit and they

37:20 went and looked at these drugs that were in his system and they

37:25 found that with particularly the mandrax, which was so an such

37:28 unusual drug and it was quite restricted.

37:30 There was only a certain number of prescriptions that have been

37:33 written for that drug in the whole of the state.

37:37 And so they looked at what names were on prescriptions for this

37:39 drug recently, in recent times. And lo and behold, a name popped

37:43 up that had popped up for previous cases of this.

37:47 MO was being our very, very best friend, Bevan Spencer Von Item.

37:52 Now interestingly, he had in the previous five years to Richard's

37:59 murder, he had been prescribed over 5800 Mandrax tablets he had

38:07 doctor shopped in order to get those prescriptions.

38:10 He would literally go to multiple chemists pharmacies in

38:13 one day to have the prescriptions filled.

38:15 Yeah, I think he had like two or three, four in a day.

38:18 Yeah. At different pharmacies, Yeah,

38:20 yeah. And because there were no

38:22 electronic records at the time, it's not like it flagged

38:25 anything in the system now. At the time, I think it was

38:28 around 1980, you were saying that the script for Mandrax was

38:35 restricted, and what it meant was that nobody could actually

38:38 be on it for more than about six months without needing special

38:42 permission. Yeah.

38:43 And he didn't have that. So he was writing all these.

38:47 He was writing those scripts. For him, we actually don't know.

38:50 No, there's been a couple of doctors named and mentioned, but

38:55 yeah, with this case, a lot of names then all of a sudden

38:57 disappear off things too and get suppressed and.

39:00 And the other thing is nothing's been proven, so we don't

39:04 actually know. This hasn't actually that side

39:07 of things hasn't actually been tested.

39:08 And I find that really interesting because to me, I

39:12 think a prescription, I mean, I know they're not digitally

39:15 tracked like we have them today. It's a legal document though.

39:18 Yeah, but surely there is somewhere where these scripts

39:21 would be in a archive box at a pharmacy or I don't know.

39:24 Have to keep them for it's probably seven years.

39:26 So, I mean, within this time frame, you know, you're not

39:29 talking that we've gone back to a cold case.

39:31 I mean, now we are. But at the time, yeah, surely

39:34 there was they were finding that.

39:35 I mean how they have they found his name on a prescription?

39:38 On that same prescription would be the doctor's name, surely?

39:40 Yeah, absolutely. So percent.

39:43 Surely they can't we. When I say we all, most people

39:46 will remember the old handwritten scripts with the

39:48 yellow piece of paper that the pharmacist would keep.

39:50 I'm sure that the police, the police would have had the

39:52 ability to go right, contact all pharmacies in the surrounding

39:57 area and and tell them if you have a script from the path from

40:02 you need to go through your files and find any scripts for

40:04 Mandrax that you've had in the last two years say and send them

40:08 in. Surely that's something they

40:10 have an ability for, to be able to then collect all them up and

40:12 go, right. Well, that's a different person.

40:13 There's one for Bevin Scott. Yeah.

40:15 And there's that name on there and.

40:17 I I don't know how in depth this investigation.

40:20 This is it. I don't think there was,

40:21 however, like any investigation. Really.

40:24 Quite, quite possibly. But it did mean that they now

40:26 were like, OK, well we've got someone to go and have a chat

40:28 with. At least, yeah.

40:29 So four days after they've they've found the body for

40:32 Kelvin, they do excuse me, bring Bevin's Spencer Vine item in for

40:36 a chat. So they do move quickly from

40:39 that point, which I just find that interesting that it took a

40:42 high profound kid for them to finally jump on it that quickly,

40:45 but they did. So the police interview von

40:50 Einem and they asked him what he was doing at the time.

40:54 And he's like, oh, no, I was at home.

40:56 Yeah, the flu. Now, interestingly enough, Mr.

41:00 von Einem lived at home with his mommy.

41:02 He did bless. Yeah, he did own other

41:05 properties though. Oh.

41:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he loved his mum so much.

41:12 I love my kids, but fuck me, they're living with me when

41:14 they're in there. Oh, how old was he at this

41:16 point? He was 49 and 46.

41:18 Yeah, he was in his, like, late 50s.

41:21 OK, we'll talk about him in a minute.

41:23 Yeah. So yes, he's like, oh, no, it

41:25 couldn't possibly have been me. I had the flu.

41:27 I was in bed. And now everyone knows a man

41:30 with the flu. So the police were probably.

41:32 Oh, yeah, mate, you're probably on your deathbed.

41:33 Not fair. No.

41:35 But what they did do is they were able to do a search of his

41:38 house or the house that he shared with his mum and they

41:41 found a bottle of Mandrax which was prescribed to him, which he

41:45 said that he hadn't taken for years because he used to take it

41:49 to help him sleep. And then he was able to get

41:51 other things to help him sleep. He.

41:53 Stated at that point when they found that bottle that that's

41:56 the only drug he ever took. He didn't have any other drugs

42:00 in the house. When they looked through now,

42:03 was it his wardrobe? Yeah, there was a like a the

42:06 back window sill, like a sill at the back of the wardrobe.

42:09 And they found a bottle of Noctec.

42:13 Funny that. Isn't that interesting?

42:15 The police. Was hidden.

42:16 Like it wasn't like he was out in the open at all.

42:18 Whereas the the Mandrax was out in the open, it was in his

42:21 medicine cupboard, like behind his mirror in his bathroom that

42:24 wasn't hidden. And also did hidden and it had a

42:27 prescription like it had it written on it, like Paddy's name

42:29 on it had to be Van. I'm on it.

42:31 Yeah. Yeah.

42:32 So no query. No, like, you know, Oh, no, I

42:35 don't take that. That's not mine.

42:36 No. Yeah, it is.

42:37 The police were really suspicious about three things

42:41 that happened when they first interviewed him.

42:43 The first thing was that he said he wouldn't answer any questions

42:47 without a lawyer. Yep.

42:48 OK. Now, at the time, that might

42:51 have been suspicious. I see.

42:53 Yeah, I mean, I find. I feel like we have said to

42:55 people before, if we ever got interviewed by the police about

42:58 something that they suspected us of.

43:00 You should have you should have a lawyer up, lawyer up, lawyer

43:03 up. It doesn't make you.

43:04 Guilty. I don't either.

43:05 No. It doesn't show guilt, but the

43:07 police took it as a sign of guilt.

43:09 Yeah, when the second thing was when they asked him if he'd

43:14 murdered Kelvin, he said it would actually be unethical to

43:18 do so. He didn't say.

43:20 He didn't go. Oh, no, I didn't do it.

43:22 No, it wouldn't. That's what someone who didn't

43:24 do. It would be an unethical thing

43:26 to do. Yes, it would be an unethical

43:27 thing to do when you fucking done it.

43:29 Yeah, yeah. Very interesting wording.

43:31 Very interesting. Psychopath.

43:33 Never denied it then. Oh, yeah, so sorry.

43:38 You've already mentioned the other thing that made him

43:39 suspicious, which was the drugs. Yeah, yeah.

43:42 I mean having them. And having the knock tech

43:43 hidden, like, seriously. Yeah.

43:45 Now the police kind of let him go at this point.

43:49 There was nothing really hard, no hard evidence to really keep

43:53 him on. And he actually had a holiday

43:56 planned. Yeah.

43:57 He was going to the Soviet Union and to the United Kingdom.

44:01 Now, before he went on this trip, he decided to sell his

44:04 car. Yeah.

44:07 Very fascinating. What Car did he have?

44:09 Well, that was a Ford. It was a Ford, Yeah.

44:13 Now, OK, so the police like interesting.

44:16 But what did he do before he sold it?

44:17 Do you? Did you read that?

44:19 Oh yes, what did? He do.

44:21 He painted his boot the boot of the car and he cleaned it.

44:25 Oh, he cleaned it like but he then painted over it with paint.

44:30 Oh yeah, right, the boot. The whole boot, the cow boot

44:34 cavity. That's so sauce.

44:36 So sauce. He did also.

44:38 He said he he said he sold it because he needed the money for

44:40 his holiday. Well.

44:41 Yeah, I could come at that. That's not Yeah, you know, OK,

44:44 But still we. Need to paint.

44:46 But before he left to go overseas, he did allow the

44:48 police to have access to his home and take samples of fibers

44:53 from the house. I believe he they took some DNA

44:57 from him or no, that was later. They did then.

44:59 I'm pretty sure they did then, yeah.

45:02 So that they could then compare these to the fibres that they.

45:04 Found hairs. And yeah, they took hairs,

45:06 things like that. Yeah.

45:07 So whilst he's off having his trip, the police are doing these

45:12 investigate this further investigation and they do find a

45:15 match between their hair on the jeans that was found on Kelvin's

45:21 jeans to that matches 1 Island's hair.

45:25 They found fibers on a jumper on the the T-shirt that that

45:29 Richard Calvin was wearing that matched a cardigan that was in

45:34 his wardrobe. And they also found carpet

45:37 fibers that matched inside the house on the rug in the bedroom

45:42 that were found on on Richard Calvin as well.

45:44 So basically when Vine came back from this holiday, I guess they

45:49 really sort of put this on the table to him.

45:52 Now, prior to all of that coming to the forefront, as I said, he

45:55 denied any knowledge of of Richard Kelvin whatsoever.

45:59 Yeah, all of a sudden he changes his story.

46:03 Well, now they've got evidence he's he's like, what?

46:05 The phone. Yeah, so he changes his story to

46:08 say that, Oh yes, I just find this really fucking stupid.

46:15 Apparently he was driving along that night that he supposedly

46:19 had the flu. Now, he didn't have the flu.

46:21 He was driving along looking, I'm going to a fish and chip

46:23 shop to get pick up dinner. And when he spotted Richard

46:27 Kelvin walking down the road and he was looking for a car park

46:30 and he spotted him. And somehow they became it got

46:33 into a conversation about Richard Kelvin having been

46:36 bullied at school and that he was bisexual.

46:43 Wait, what? Like how?

46:44 How'd that just come up so naturally between complete and

46:46 other strangers? In 30 odd seconds.

46:49 Yeah, like as you're looking for a car park.

46:51 You just got a kid and yeah. That's the conversation that you

46:54 naturally fall into. What?

46:57 Fuck me. Whatever mate.

46:58 Oh, it's. It's an absolute joke.

47:01 So he claims that then, you know, because they've just

47:04 literally bonded, you know, in this amazing moment of having

47:07 conversation between a 50 year old man and a 15 year old kid,

47:10 that, you know, Richard Kelvin just gets into the car with him

47:14 and they drive back to his house so that he can show Richard

47:19 Kelvin his harp in his bedroom. Yeah.

47:24 So, and whilst they're sitting there and listening to this

47:28 harp, Von Inan puts his arm around Richard because he's

47:34 comforting him because he's talking about him potentially

47:36 being bisexual and, you know, and being bullied.

47:39 And that's where the fibres came off of his cardigan.

47:43 And also then that they sat on the floor for a brief moment

47:46 too. And that's why they'd be carpet,

47:48 rug fibres, rug fibres on him. But he was there for two hours

47:52 and then he dropped him off. Well, he didn't drop him at

47:55 home. Though no I dropped him off in

47:56 20 dollars. Yeah, and then gave him 20.

47:58 Dollars to get home to get home, yeah.

48:00 So that's not quite kind of adding up because.

48:04 Oh don't. No shit.

48:06 Yeah, well, not even like, you know, physical evidence wise,

48:09 because what they said was that the amount of fibres that were

48:11 found in like, oh God, I had it written down here somewhere.

48:16 There's 248 fibres or something found on on Richard Kelvin and a

48:25 very small portion of those were from his home.

48:30 And I want to say off the top of my head, I'm talking like say 50

48:33 of the 248 with like 50 of those were from his home where he had

48:37 spent a considerable amount of his day.

48:40 And the other 150 odd 200 were from von Einem's home.

48:47 Now, so scientifically what they were saying is that there is no

48:51 physical way that he had spent only two hours in that home to

48:55 have that number of fibres. It had to have been a far longer

48:58 a period of time for him to have that amount of fibres on him and

49:02 carrying them to the point where those clothes were then put on

49:05 him again to then be thrown out in the the Bush and let kept

49:10 there, left there for 2-2 weeks before being found.

49:12 Yeah. Should we talk a little bit

49:14 about who von Inam is or was? Yep.

49:16 Do we have to? So he was, oh, he's an absolute

49:20 fucking piece of shit. He was born on the 29th of May

49:23 1946 and he was an accountant slash bookkeeper.

49:28 I think he was a pretty fucking shit poor accountant.

49:31 So he was doing bookkeeping. Like I don't know that anyone

49:34 wanted to employ him as an as an accountant.

49:36 He first came to public attention in May of 1972.

49:43 This is important as we go on with this story.

49:45 Yeah, he came to the aid of a man by the name of Roger James,

49:49 who was thrown into the River Torrens during the murder of

49:53 another friend of theirs named George Duncan.

49:55 He was a professor at the university.

49:57 Yes, So very sort of prestigious in, in terms of where he was at

50:02 in his field. Yeah, we'd only been brought out

50:05 here from the. UK, I think it.

50:06 Was he'd only been here for about 7 weeks when this

50:08 occurred. Now we've all watched Bondi

50:10 Rescue and we all know people from the UK can't swim.

50:13 Sorry, no offence to anyone from the UK, but you know, we grew up

50:17 as Australians, everyone knows how to swim.

50:19 I think we don't really get the gist that in the UK it's not as

50:25 much of a thing like you have to, it's not like everyone does

50:27 swimming lessons like you do in Australia.

50:30 So this poor bloke, this poor George Duncan was thrown into a

50:35 river, unable to swim, and he ended up drowning.

50:38 Now he'd been beaten. Mm Hmm.

50:40 And it was, it was quite a horrific.

50:44 No one's ever been convicted of this crime, no.

50:47 But there is a strong belief that police were involved in

50:49 this. This is where it gets real.

50:52 Real. Shady.

50:53 Yeah, real, real shady. I mean, at the time being gay

50:58 was illegal. In South Australia.

51:00 So in 17/19/75 they were actually one of the first in

51:03 Australia though who legalised being gay.

51:07 Which can you even believe? I know it doesn't seem like that

51:11 long ago. It doesn't, and it's not big

51:12 enough ago. No, I know.

51:14 So, yeah. So 1975 in Adelaide, they

51:17 legalised it being gay, but so in 1972 it was illegal to be

51:20 gay, which is just fucked up. But yeah, so this was what was

51:24 going on. Apparently this was like

51:25 happening on the regular that it was kind of, it was actually had

51:28 a name. And I'm going to say it and I

51:29 really don't want to offend anyone, but this whole thing of

51:32 throwing people in the river was called Poof singing.

51:35 Like it's just. Revolting, absolutely horrific.

51:39 Like the so gross that you read in relation to this case.

51:42 You're just like fuck me. It's so gross I can't even.

51:44 No, the fact that's what it was named even like publicly.

51:48 Just oh, I was in the papers. Yeah, that was like the

51:51 headlines of it, like, oh, I can't.

51:53 I just it's horrible, but. Basically what von Inam says is

51:58 that he was driving past, he saw this happen and he stepped in to

52:01 intervene, and he did actually save Roger's life.

52:03 Well, yeah, he had a Roger did break his leg, so von Inam did

52:07 pull him into his car and took him to the hospital.

52:09 So yeah, he did help him. Yeah.

52:11 He. Helped him.

52:13 It's just fascinating. But anyway, this is the first

52:16 time his name was kind of in the ether.

52:18 Yes, out there. But I mean, there's been also,

52:21 he's been interviewed and this has been corroborated that von

52:25 Einem, as he grew up, was molested by a friend of his

52:30 father's. Yes, yes.

52:33 And his mother has said, yeah, that was what happened.

52:37 It was very that interesting scenario when it happened.

52:41 His dad couldn't have cared less than it happened.

52:43 He was in the house apparently when it would take place and he

52:46 basically just told him to go wash his hands and be, you know,

52:48 that's that's that he was only. Seven years of age when this

52:51 happened, too. Yeah, we know.

52:52 That's such a critical time in a young person.

52:55 'S life, yeah. So I mean, yeah, he hasn't.

52:57 He didn't have a great childhood in that sense.

53:01 A lot of trauma. Yeah, but he's still a

53:05 psychopath. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

53:08 Like, there's so much there. Yeah, so, so much there.

53:13 Yeah. OK, so we've got now we've got

53:19 basically a lot of circumstantial evidence that

53:23 connects the death of Richard Kelvin with Bevan Spencer von

53:27 Einem. And it gets to the point where

53:34 the police are able to arrest him for the murder, and he is

53:38 set for trial because of course, he pleads not guilty, of course,

53:43 which that in and of itself just fucking gets me.

53:49 Yeah. Like mate, there's a lot here

53:51 pointing to the fact that you did this.

53:53 Oh, absolutely, I think, and that's but that's the narcissism

53:56 in him and whatever I like it that he honestly believed, you

53:59 know, if I didn't do this, you know, and I'll just oh, they'll

54:03 they'll I'll be smarter than them, Yeah, and I'll convince

54:05 them all and yeah and do that he didn't get up at trial at least

54:08 things and speak. No, they did tender a statement

54:12 from him. Unsworn statement, yeah.

54:14 So there was a bit of a weird thing that went on there with

54:17 with it not being a sworn statement.

54:18 So he was still not even. Beholden to what he.

54:23 Said in that which is. Interesting.

54:25 Yes, but I think that was because of the change in his

54:28 story to match the evidence. Really.

54:31 This is the thing. Yeah, his mother gave testimony

54:34 and. She also had changed her story a

54:37 bit to fit. Yes, with it exactly.

54:39 And so she was a really unreliable witness and I think

54:43 the jury really saw straight through her.

54:45 Yeah, I think. Did the trial go on for like 5

54:49 weeks or something? Believe so.

54:51 Is it? And it took the guilty?

54:52 The guilty? It took the jury only 7 1/2

54:56 hours to deliberate. Yes.

54:58 And on the 15th fish of October. Oh, no, sorry.

55:03 On the 6th of November in 1984 they found him guilty that he

55:08 was then sentenced to life in prison.

55:11 Originally he was given a 24 year non parole period but that

55:15 was then appealed by SA's Attorney General.

55:18 That was overturned and it ended up being it was increased to 36

55:24 years of non parole. I did love though that when

55:27 Items defence team they did appeal the sentence and the

55:30 conviction at one point. OK, I love their reasons for

55:36 going. Go, go.

55:38 So the, the reasons for appealing we're on the basis of

55:42 the fact that there was evidence in the trial that was given

55:45 that, that, that basically what his idea was this whole

55:49 conversation he had with with Richard about him being bisexual

55:51 and all that sort of thing, right?

55:52 That what the prosecution did was they put people in the

55:55 stand, like his girlfriend, for example, and other people in his

55:58 life who said that he was not, he was absolutely heterosexual

56:02 and all these sorts of things. So basically they were claiming

56:05 that that's not true, a true reference of it, because he said

56:09 the opposite. Jesus, they didn't.

56:12 He. They also appealed on the basis

56:13 that von Ornam's own homosexuality had been used in

56:16 the trial and that that was, you know, a negative thing against

56:18 him. OK.

56:20 Well, that could be seen as discrimination.

56:22 Yeah. So that was a little bit maybe,

56:24 but like the biggest thing that they did appeal on was the fact

56:28 that von Inam had used a birthday party that he said he

56:32 attended, which there was someone who in his family who

56:35 had come and said had been on the stand and said, yes, he was

56:37 absolutely at that party from about 6:30 to about 10:30 on the

56:42 day that the. So basically, they believe that

56:45 his body was dumped approximately on the 10th of

56:49 July. Now, this could have also been

56:52 the 9th of July or the 11th of July.

56:55 There was, you know, a little bit of leeway there, but because

56:58 of the fact that this person testified that for four hours he

57:03 was at a birthday party. Therefore, according to one

57:07 item, he couldn't have drop the body off, and so he couldn't

57:10 have murdered him. Yeah.

57:12 So it was completely thrown out. Yeah.

57:14 And no, go away. The the the birthday party

57:18 evidence was clear. Like, OK, you didn't do it

57:21 between those hours, but still have done it the next morning,

57:24 even on your way to work. What they?

57:26 They think that it happened in the dark.

57:28 Yeah. So.

57:29 So there's still like after 10:30.

57:32 That's probably pretty dark. You could.

57:33 Have done it at in the morning. You know, you could have done

57:35 the morning of the 10th. Or the night of the night, or.

57:38 Gone after 10:30 at night or, or as I said, early hours of the

57:42 morning of the 11th. They're still saying that that's

57:44 possible too. Yeah.

57:46 But yeah, so it was thrown out. Yeah.

57:49 They also did try and bring charges to him on two of the

57:53 other murders that we've discussed.

57:55 Yeah. So Alan Barnes and Mark Lagley,

57:59 it was that they tried to bring charges on and they did get to a

58:02 point where they they had, they're all sort of prepared to

58:05 go in. However, there was some stuff

58:08 that came up in that there was a particular witness, Mr. B, that

58:11 they had used to get evidence on all of this, which we'll we'll

58:15 talk more about Mr. B in a moment.

58:16 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

58:18 But so they're going to use his testimony in his in, in this

58:21 next trial. However, what they couldn't use

58:24 in that trial was anything to do with Richard Kelvin.

58:27 So they couldn't link Richard Kelvin's case and murder.

58:31 And that could not be brought up at all in this next trial for

58:34 the other two. So it became really difficult to

58:38 get Mr. B's testimony in as well, and a lot, a lot of other

58:42 evidence. Linked and related, and what it

58:44 meant was if they kept out the things that they had to keep

58:47 out, they actually didn't have much of a case as much.

58:50 More so, yeah, they ended up having to drop those charges and

58:54 he never was convicted on any others or tried or tried from

58:59 the others. Yeah.

58:59 So which is really, I mean, I can, as I said to you, I said

59:03 earlier, I can understand why that young Peter was not

59:07 included in that. Yeah, I can understand why he

59:10 wasn't included in that one. But it's, it's so sad that

59:16 there's not convictions over over the other.

59:18 Yeah, ones that were. To this to this day, let's talk

59:21 a bit more about Mr. B, yes. Mr. B So let's actually talk

59:24 about the family a little bit because so the family, which I

59:28 just hate that it's being called that because, you know, you

59:31 think about a family and you think lovely things and

59:34 connection and closeness and niceness and kindness.

59:39 Which a lot of like, yeah, people investigate this, Do they

59:42 dislike it being called that? But I mean I understand the like

59:48 why it's? Being hard, I get it.

59:50 So it was the reason it's called that is just because the lead

59:53 investigator, the lead police investigator on this case was

59:56 talking to the media one day and he's like, oh, it's just like

59:59 one big happy family. We just.

1:00:00 Want to break up this happy family have been like because

1:00:02 all along and we haven't sort of touched on this that there was a

1:00:06 lot of evidence that to prove that Mister that Bevans put

1:00:09 Spencer annulment did not move like did not operate on his own.

1:00:12 No, from the very first one from Alan Barnes, they always

1:00:17 believed that there was more than one person who committed

1:00:19 that. And then so even though they

1:00:21 didn't link the two well. I think they know that because

1:00:24 there were a lot of witnesses that saw multiple men in a car,

1:00:28 yeah, that were then picking up these hitchhikers, which was the

1:00:31 MO for getting these people, these men into the cars or these

1:00:34 boys into the cars. So they know there was more than

1:00:37 one person involved. There's other evidence they've

1:00:40 got as well. I mean, some of which hasn't

1:00:41 actually even been reported. But the police, like we know

1:00:44 that it's not just one person. No, I mean, look, the youngest

1:00:47 being 14, the oldest being 25 of who we've just looked at those

1:00:51 five, yeah, cases, I mean, one person on their own trying to

1:00:55 subdue a, you know, a person of that age and that strength.

1:00:59 Yeah. Particularly a 50 odd 60 year

1:01:02 old man being one item. Yeah.

1:01:03 He didn't do this on his own. It was very clear from the get

1:01:06 go there was more people involved.

1:01:07 Yeah. So.

1:01:09 Yeah, the family was rumoured to be roughly 12 or 13 people.

1:01:14 It's really. Unknown, but many of those names

1:01:16 have been suppressed. There's been some that have been

1:01:17 released and we can talk about a few of.

1:01:19 Them Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, in a lot of ways if you

1:01:26 want to find things out on the Internet, you can find things

1:01:28 out on the Internet. But yeah, it's just it's pretty

1:01:33 horrific. Anyway, let's get into it a

1:01:34 little bit more now. These the family is believed to

1:01:41 have had involvement in over 200 or more like it's it's actually

1:01:45 an untold number. It really is, yeah.

1:01:47 We don't actually know. And a lot of, you know, the

1:01:50 speculation is that because the names of the perpetrators

1:01:55 haven't been released, that might be holding some victims

1:01:59 back because they think maybe they were the only one they

1:02:02 don't want to come forward. Sort of thing.

1:02:05 I'm not really part of that crew.

1:02:06 I'm don't know if I was. Part of that so.

1:02:10 But also there's also just the general shame of having been

1:02:13 through that it's. An unknown number of people,

1:02:15 yeah, who were, who were victims to these absolute pieces of

1:02:19 shit. So let's talk about Mr. B Yeah,

1:02:21 Mr. B was a doctor. He is a very, very interesting

1:02:28 man and I would not want him to be my doctor.

1:02:31 He was a known associative of von Inams.

1:02:34 He had kidnapped and raped men together, admittedly.

1:02:38 Yeah, with von Inam, he admitted to being in the car when von

1:02:43 Inam. He picked up hitchhikers and

1:02:46 drugged them. I suspect he possibly had a hand

1:02:50 in prescribing some of those drugs, given the fact that he

1:02:52 was a doctor. He then said that they would

1:02:58 give them a lot of alcohol and then they.

1:03:01 We said that Von Anam always had in the back seat of his car an

1:03:05 esky which always had alcohol in it.

1:03:08 And what Mr. B allegedly alleges is that in that alcohol was also

1:03:14 then drugs. So that then so he would coax

1:03:17 these young people into his car saying, hey, come on, come and

1:03:20 have a drink. You know, we've got a drink in

1:03:21 the back. You have have a drink because he

1:03:23 said never did Von Anam drink those.

1:03:26 So they weren't, they weren't drinks for him to be drinking

1:03:29 whilst he was driving around or anything.

1:03:30 They were to go to these young people who would get in his car.

1:03:33 Yeah, there's a story of a young man who had been, I think at a

1:03:38 football game or something like that, and he was going to catch

1:03:42 the bus home, but I think he'd missed the last bus or

1:03:44 something. So he decided to hitchhike home,

1:03:47 and he said he'd hitchhiked before and he felt like he knew

1:03:51 how to do it safely and it was important to him that he

1:03:54 hitchhiked. Like if someone turned around

1:03:57 and picked him up, he wouldn't get in the car with them because

1:03:59 he's like, I'm only going to get in the car with someone who's by

1:04:02 chance is going the same way that I'm going.

1:04:04 Yep, Yep. And so on this particular night,

1:04:07 he gets in the car, he's in the back seat because someone there

1:04:10 was a driver and a passenger in the front seat.

1:04:12 The driver says, Hey, we're going to a party.

1:04:14 Would you like to come? I've got some drinks in the

1:04:17 back. Make yourself make yourself

1:04:18 comfortable. Now this young man had decided

1:04:21 he was going through a bit of a health kick at the time.

1:04:23 And he was like, oh, I don't, I don't drink.

1:04:27 Von Inam insisted, opened the beer or whatever it was the the

1:04:32 beverage for him, handed it to him.

1:04:34 But this boy didn't partake. This man didn't partake, didn't

1:04:38 have anything, just kind of held the open drink.

1:04:40 And it got to a point where things kind of really escalated.

1:04:44 And he wanted. And von Einem was like, where do

1:04:48 you live? And he's like, oh, just drop me

1:04:49 off on this corner. That's fine.

1:04:51 Yeah. And he was like, no, where do

1:04:53 you live? And he's like, yeah, just down

1:04:54 the way a bit, but he's fine. And it kind of went on like

1:04:58 that. And I'm guessing von Einem

1:05:00 actually got to a point where he was like, I actually can't be

1:05:02 fucked with this anymore. He dropped this eventually.

1:05:06 This man was really scared, really, really scared.

1:05:10 Dropped him off and as he got out of the car, Von Item then

1:05:14 did a U-turn and went back towards the city again to try

1:05:17 and find the victim and he said so that happened.

1:05:21 It was kind of an isolated incident to him.

1:05:23 He went home. He did this.

1:05:25 This man did tell his mom about it when he got home.

1:05:28 Was really weird. They kind of didn't do much.

1:05:30 Actually, I think they did report it to the police, but

1:05:32 nothing then really came of it because nothing really happened.

1:05:35 Yeah, but he suspected there was something in that beer.

1:05:38 Yeah. Anyway, years and years and

1:05:41 years and years later when Von Inam was on TV after being

1:05:45 arrested for Richard Kelvin's murder, Yeah.

1:05:48 He was like, Oh my God. That was the guy.

1:05:54 Whoa, yeah. Well, this is the thing.

1:05:56 I mean, what they, they're sort of alleging is that this was a

1:05:59 group of people who that's exactly what their whole MO was

1:06:03 in that prior to the murders, you know, and this sort of

1:06:06 thing. It was this whole scene of

1:06:08 basically a delivery service in a lot of ways is what it was

1:06:11 called in that people, certain people would drive around, pick

1:06:15 up young boys, whether they were, you know, hanging out at

1:06:17 gay bars or, you know, or hitchhiking that, you know,

1:06:20 those sorts of things. They would target these these

1:06:23 kids. They would get them in the car

1:06:25 with them, you know, voluntarily, probably, you know,

1:06:27 come and have a drink with us. We're going to a party, you

1:06:28 know, here, join us. Come party, party with us at

1:06:31 this place. They would then take them in the

1:06:33 car. They'd go to a house.

1:06:34 And this is where the bigger names come into it in that they

1:06:38 can't go out and meet these people themselves.

1:06:42 They're they, they stay behind the closed gates of their home.

1:06:45 That's it. But these young boys would then

1:06:47 get dropped off to them. These young boys would be then

1:06:51 plied with alcohol and drugs. They would get raped and then

1:06:55 wake up the next morning and not remember really what went on.

1:06:58 But they're in this strange home.

1:06:59 I mean they would they would be less.

1:07:00 That's a date rape drug. That's, I mean it's not, but

1:07:03 it's used as a date. Rape that way.

1:07:05 But it's. Yeah.

1:07:06 And so these boys would then wake up the next day and, you

1:07:08 know, be released and let go. And that's the majority of what

1:07:12 these, you know, these young men would have experienced.

1:07:15 Well, there are reports from the very few who have come forward

1:07:20 to say that, like they'd wake up the next morning with a sore

1:07:23 bottom. And, you know, the ones that

1:07:26 then did have the courage to go to the hospital or go to seek

1:07:30 medical attention were then told the next when they would did

1:07:34 that, that they'd been raped. Like it's just, you can't even

1:07:39 imagine it. It's just horrific.

1:07:41 Absolutely horrific. Absolutely.

1:07:44 These poor boys and these poor men.

1:07:46 Yeah. Well, I mean, they were

1:07:47 basically around the age of like that 16 to 18 kind of was

1:07:52 typically the ages they were targeting.

1:07:55 I mean, there was a story that came out and this is all after

1:07:58 the fact that these people have come forward.

1:08:00 But it was, it came out that Alan Barnes, he actually was

1:08:05 working as a delivery boy for a vending machine company and one

1:08:09 of his clients was Bevan Spencer.

1:08:12 One item. So this he was known to him and

1:08:15 they were connections. And what one of Alan's friends

1:08:19 had said was that what Bevan had said to the boys was, you know,

1:08:23 if you want anything, you want drugs, right?

1:08:28 And they, both of them were like, we're not really into

1:08:30 that. We don't really take drugs.

1:08:31 But he was like, no, no, no, if you want anything at all, just

1:08:35 bring me boys of your. Age, it's like a trade.

1:08:39 It's so gross and it's like in trade of it would be, you know,

1:08:42 like you could take give you whatever drugs you want, your

1:08:44 party drugs and stuff and you can have all that and you just

1:08:47 bring me other boys of the same age as you guys like to which

1:08:50 they, you know, Ellen Barnes and his friend were like, no, not

1:08:54 into that. No, no, no, no, but there was a

1:08:56 whole scene of it that was going on.

1:08:58 And so Alan Barnes death being the start of these murders is

1:09:04 interesting in that there was a link there to Bevin directly

1:09:09 when you go right back to that stage.

1:09:12 So I think that my personal opinion is that this was all

1:09:16 going on in Bevin Spencer when I was all part of all this career

1:09:19 that were, you know, you're dropping off young boys and it

1:09:20 was, you know, delivering these boys to people.

1:09:23 But he wanted something a bit more to it.

1:09:25 Yeah, yeah. That that sort of escalated from

1:09:28 as in from him as the sort of center of that, the center of

1:09:32 that. It's really interesting just

1:09:34 when you were talking about Ellen then is that Mister B's

1:09:37 sister testified in court that he had said that he was present

1:09:44 when Von Inam, well, when the murder, that first murder

1:09:48 occurred. Yeah, yeah, there there is a lot

1:09:52 that's come out around, particularly Alan Barnes's

1:09:55 murder. Yeah.

1:09:56 There's a diary that has come forward and a man by the name of

1:10:00 Peter, sorry, Trevor Peters. Yeah, who he passed away now.

1:10:04 He was in sort of the gay scene, all that sort of stuff.

1:10:08 He was an openly gay man. And his brother has come forward

1:10:12 with these Diaries after he passed away.

1:10:14 These Diaries are incredible. And we don't know the half of

1:10:17 the what's in there because so much of has been redacted, has

1:10:20 been suppressed. Yeah, but he tells a story in

1:10:23 his Diaries, particularly around another character who was Dennis

1:10:28 and Dennis who was a hairdresser, well known

1:10:31 hairdresser in the in that area in that scene.

1:10:35 So and he just happened to be he was Dennis and Dennis was this

1:10:39 man was Peter Trevor Peters hairdresser, but he was also

1:10:43 Bevan Spencer Von Adams hairdresser because he would get

1:10:46 his hair dyed because he was grey from a very young age.

1:10:50 So he would go along and get his hair dyed.

1:10:52 Now look gross. One day in particular when that

1:10:56 when Peters was having his hair done, Bevan had come in and I

1:11:01 was chatting away with Dennis and Dennis and what he overheard

1:11:06 them saying was I'll just read it out here.

1:11:08 He said I could hear this is straight out of his diary.

1:11:11 I could hear Bevan and Dennis giggling and laughing and both

1:11:14 saying oh how evil, oh it's evil.

1:11:17 Dennis said this several times and I became curious as to just

1:11:20 what it was they both found so interesting and entertaining and

1:11:24 feeling that I was being left out, got out of the chair to

1:11:27 investigate. I found them huddled over a

1:11:29 waist high table, directly behind the curtain.

1:11:32 There was a group of photographs, Polaroids laid out

1:11:34 on the table, maybe four or five or six of them, with Bevan

1:11:37 holding more photographs in his hand.

1:11:39 They both began to collect the photos quickly, but not before I

1:11:42 saw them. The photographs were of a young

1:11:44 man, a young, attractive blonde haired man lying on his side on

1:11:48 the front seat of a car with his legs bent towards the steering

1:11:51 wheel. Now they've redacted all the

1:11:53 further information about those photos, but basically what

1:11:57 you're saying what they what's happening here is Bevan is

1:12:01 showing the hairdresser his work that he has done to Ellen in the

1:12:07 in plain sight in this conversation there's.

1:12:10 No, there's no it. It's psychopathic, unbelievable.

1:12:17 It's there's no remorse. No, in fact, they were laughing

1:12:20 about it. Well, I mean, I have to say

1:12:23 there's then a further little bit where Dennis and Dennis, he

1:12:27 was, he's passed away now what in this he was in hospital and

1:12:31 he was dying and his mate Trevor Peters was going to visit him

1:12:34 regularly. And so at one particular visit,

1:12:37 which is 4 days before he passed away, he took the opportunity to

1:12:42 have a conversation with him about those photos again to see

1:12:44 if he would get more out of him when he was about to die.

1:12:47 Because he realized immediately, well not immediately he realized

1:12:50 that that those photos, he later recognized that person as being

1:12:54 Alan Barnes from new stories etcetera.

1:12:56 So he had already placed it together in his diary.

1:12:59 There was more about that. But then he said to on this

1:13:02 particular day he was at the hospital with, with Dennis and

1:13:04 Dennis and he decided to ask him again.

1:13:07 I asked him about the photographs.

1:13:08 He told me that over the years that he spent at Adelaide's

1:13:11 Beats and toilets, Bevan had shown him dozens of such

1:13:14 photographs of of nude young men, more often than not with

1:13:18 objects including bottles inserted well into their anuses.

1:13:22 Whoever, he said, smiling at me, he didn't remember there being

1:13:26 any photos at the salon, ever. And if you know what's good for

1:13:29 you, neither should you. Oh bloody hell.

1:13:34 Yeah, so this is the thing. People aren't coming forward

1:13:40 because I don't know what's going to happen to them if they

1:13:42 do. I mean, this man never came

1:13:44 forward. He wrote the Diaries, which good

1:13:46 on him for putting it in there, but there's just so much more to

1:13:51 it. And where?

1:13:52 Where is it going to go now? I just don't know.

1:13:55 I don't know that anything more is going to happen with this

1:13:57 because like. I mean, OK, so let's talk about

1:14:02 who else have we got to talk about in terms of other known?

1:14:06 Well, there was. Suspects.

1:14:08 So there's a number of people who have been named since so.

1:14:12 Steven. Sorry, oh, I didn't have him on

1:14:15 my list. He's he's accused of supplying

1:14:18 sedatives. I don't actually know much about

1:14:21 him. No, there's not many.

1:14:23 We do. Mainly I've got information

1:14:26 from, like there's a trans woman by the name of Prudence Fern.

1:14:29 Yeah. So she's also dead now.

1:14:31 Yeah. The other ones I've got are

1:14:34 Richard Brown, who is a magistrate.

1:14:36 Yeah. Don Storan, who was convicted, A

1:14:40 convicted paedophile in Indonesia, who is very much

1:14:43 linked to this and his name was mentioned in that diary.

1:14:45 Yes, a number of times. Yep.

1:14:47 Someone you mentioned earlier being Noel, Terence Brooks, who

1:14:51 he's, he's deceased, but the biggest one who's come out and

1:14:54 he's actually spoken is Lewis Turter.

1:14:57 So he's his brother, was an Olympic gold medallist in

1:15:00 cycling, but they don't speak anymore.

1:15:04 So Lewis Turtle was in the in it.

1:15:06 He was similar to Mr. B has come out saying that he was involved

1:15:11 in these things prior to it becoming murder like he wanted.

1:15:16 He said he didn't take part in that, but he's saying he fully

1:15:19 knows. That he knows the MO, he knows

1:15:21 how they did it. He he was there.

1:15:23 Yeah, He was living in a unit which was across the way from, I

1:15:27 believe it was Prudence Furman, Where where she lives.

1:15:30 That's right. And there was a unit that been

1:15:34 been Bevan owned not far from there, and Prudence and Bevan

1:15:39 would meet up at this unit with a young boy, rape him, do all

1:15:43 those sorts of things to him and then let him go on the next day.

1:15:46 So he spoke heavily about all of that.

1:15:50 He's, he's been quoted as saying Von Ornam brings boys over there

1:15:54 to our place, but they left alive in the morning.

1:15:57 What else? What's with it?

1:16:01 He reckons that there was at least half a dozen that he's

1:16:05 seen, but they left pristine the next morning.

1:16:09 Pristine after being raped and tortured for the night?

1:16:12 Yeah, sure, sure. Drugged.

1:16:14 Sure. OK.

1:16:14 Pristine when? He was asked about the drugs of

1:16:17 the boys and that was and that happening in the home, he said.

1:16:22 Well, his reply to it was because I was a stupid fool,

1:16:25 wasn't I? So Terta said he never faced any

1:16:28 charges related to von Einem, but he had faced 2 gross

1:16:31 indecency charges in Adelaide several years earlier.

1:16:35 So he was heavily involved in it and he's come forward and

1:16:37 admitted to all those, but von Einem's never copped anything

1:16:41 further in terms of charges for these other instances.

1:16:44 But they. Tried to get some minor charge

1:16:46 to stick on Von Adam with one of his testimonies or one of the

1:16:50 one of his statements, but it just never stuck.

1:16:52 I don't remember. Why?

1:16:53 There's been things since, Yeah, they're completely separate,

1:16:56 yeah, but. Oh yeah, no, that's not what I'm

1:16:58 referring to. No, this is more things that

1:17:01 came up after he sort of made a made a statement that just never

1:17:05 stuck. But then I kind of understand

1:17:08 for a lesser charge, he why would you go down that path in

1:17:13 terms of prosecuting von Einem again?

1:17:14 Because The thing is, it's not even just von Einem getting more

1:17:16 on him because I mean, he's got a life sentence, not, I mean, I

1:17:19 as a the victims families. Yeah.

1:17:21 You want your your child's name applied to that. 100% but at

1:17:25 least you'd know that his killer's behind.

1:17:27 Well, absolutely. But then The thing is, it's.

1:17:29 So many others that need to be. Who else was involved?

1:17:32 Yeah. So even if so, if von Einem was

1:17:35 involved, we don't actually know if he's the one who actually

1:17:38 perpetrated these murders. Like to me, he's not the one who

1:17:42 had the medical training. No, there are other a lot of

1:17:44 other people implicated who did. Yeah.

1:17:48 I mean, these what he did prior and what people are admitting to

1:17:50 what he was involved in, Yeah, very much the rape and the

1:17:54 torture sort of things. I can absolutely go, yeah, yeah,

1:17:57 I can see he did that. Cutting off of the bodies.

1:17:59 Yeah, cutting off of the bodies and that stuff.

1:18:02 I don't know, Do I think he probably would have got off on

1:18:04 it? Quite possibly because he's a

1:18:06 psychopath. But but I don't think he did it.

1:18:09 I don't think he did that side of it.

1:18:10 I don't think you know, That's why I reckon with Kelvin, those

1:18:13 elements weren't there. Yep, and you think that's

1:18:16 because people got scared like the other perpetrators got

1:18:19 scared and everyone like fuck no I'm not fucking 10 foot pole.

1:18:22 Yep, I'm out not touching this one.

1:18:23 Yep. And so whoever that doctor was

1:18:26 that did it to the other ones was like, Oh no, Yep, you can

1:18:29 have that one to yourself. Yep.

1:18:30 And I think he has had him to himself and I think he's had

1:18:32 five weeks of doing awful shit to him and that's disgusting.

1:18:36 Yeah, I think. Yeah, but there I think that

1:18:38 there's there's a whole network here that has not been brought

1:18:42 down. Yeah.

1:18:43 And have all gone about their time.

1:18:45 And I mean, well, for example, it was Prudence and and there

1:18:48 was a couple of other cross dressing or transvestites that

1:18:52 were working within that group of people.

1:18:54 They ended up moving when von Ornam went to prison, they moved

1:18:58 to Sydney. Wow.

1:19:00 So what that? Yeah, yeah.

1:19:05 Really interesting. That is really, really

1:19:07 interesting. Yeah.

1:19:09 Oh, my God. OK, so in prison, our little

1:19:15 mate von Inam. Oh.

1:19:16 He's this. I get really irked with this

1:19:19 shit. It's Fox.

1:19:20 He's so fucked up. So he raped an inmate when he

1:19:26 was at Utila prison? Yeah, he then got done for.

1:19:30 This is actually quite funny. Yeah, he was painting.

1:19:34 He was doing paintings. Beautiful, beautiful.

1:19:39 And painting them on gift cards and selling them to people.

1:19:43 If it's 20 bucks, who the fuck you paid 20 bucks for that?

1:19:45 What? Police.

1:19:46 These are like prison officers. Yeah.

1:19:49 Why? What it's are they married?

1:19:50 Because it's been done by painted by Von I.

1:19:53 Know. Surely not, but I wouldn't also

1:19:56 ever spend $20 on a greeting card for anyone.

1:19:58 God. No.

1:19:59 How much are they getting paid? No, it's just bullshit.

1:20:02 But he got done for it. He got not.

1:20:04 For it, he got three extra months in prison, I think.

1:20:06 Oh no. That wasn't for that, no, That

1:20:07 wasn't for that, no, But he did. He did get something for the.

1:20:11 Commercial dealings that were sure dealings, that's right.

1:20:14 Commercial dealings while in while in he was.

1:20:15 Charged with it but I don't know what kind of add anymore.

1:20:18 Can you add any more to life? No, this bit's fucked.

1:20:22 But he was actually charged with possession of child pornography

1:20:28 for story, for written stories. Well, he.

1:20:30 Originally was charged with producing those written

1:20:33 documents, yeah. But it was proven that he didn't

1:20:36 write them. Yeah.

1:20:38 But I don't know how they proved that.

1:20:39 Well, there was, it was handwriting experts and also

1:20:43 fingerprints was there's. Oh, OK.

1:20:45 Yeah, there was genuine like investigation into it that did.

1:20:50 But these stories depicted sexual acts between a man and a

1:20:53 child. Like, Oh my God.

1:20:55 So this is the way I kind of go like because 2007 ish right?

1:20:59 Yep, he was potentially due for parole.

1:21:02 Yes. Now he's never getting out,

1:21:04 don't worry about that. But in some really random world

1:21:08 where he genuinely was innocent, right?

1:21:09 Which he's claimed all along he was innocent.

1:21:12 You're due for parole, potentially, yet you're raping

1:21:17 inmates and in the possession of child pornography.

1:21:21 Really. The upstanding prison inmate you

1:21:24 need to be. Super guilty for the charges

1:21:27 that you have mate. You're kind of just continuing

1:21:30 your same shit. In prison, yeah.

1:21:33 Think you are where you belong mate.

1:21:34 Now, the bits that kind of get me with one item.

1:21:38 All right, so let's talk about him in relation to the Beaumont

1:21:41 case, the Beaumont disappearance.

1:21:44 So Seven Network, the Seven Network in Australia have

1:21:49 archived footage of a young man who's helping search a storm

1:21:52 water drain. I think it was two or three days

1:21:54 after the children disappeared. Now in this footage there is a

1:22:01 young von Inem. A von Inem look alike look

1:22:04 alike. OK, sorry a Von Inem look alike

1:22:07 and another young man. Yep, who matches the description

1:22:13 of the man seen with the Beaumont children at the beach

1:22:15 that day? That day.

1:22:16 The day they weren't missing, yeah.

1:22:18 Who? Go back and listen to our

1:22:20 episode if you want to know who we think that.

1:22:21 Is when you're talking, at least there's network, a network of

1:22:26 people doing these things. Yep.

1:22:28 Does that seem then out of possibility?

1:22:31 Nope. Fuck no.

1:22:32 Nope, not at all. And we know that often times

1:22:38 perpetrators will go back and be at the scene and look like

1:22:41 they're helping out and really just picking out the chaos that

1:22:44 they've created. Yeah, now.

1:22:50 Von Inem got sick when he was in prison.

1:22:54 Yeah. Unfortunately, didn't suffer

1:22:57 long enough. We got about type 2 diabetes at

1:22:59 one stage and they had to go into like a aged care prison.

1:23:03 Yeah, it's an aged care prison, but he also, I don't even know

1:23:07 he developed something. Yeah.

1:23:08 And I actually don't care enough to look into that.

1:23:11 No, but I hope it was really painful death.

1:23:14 But they unfortunately, no, they they knew his death was coming.

1:23:19 Yeah. And so the police.

1:23:20 Yeah, major crime detectives went down.

1:23:22 Went down to interview him hoping that they would get a

1:23:24 deathbed confession. No, and of course they didn't.

1:23:27 No, of course they didn't. No, he died on the 5th of

1:23:31 December in 2025 S not that long ago.

1:23:34 No, six months ago. No, but he will, you know, five

1:23:37 months ago, taken to the grave, all of his evil shit that he's

1:23:40 done, we won't know any more about that.

1:23:43 It's such a shame. And I mean, look, we have

1:23:45 journalists like Debbie Marshall who went in and had did

1:23:49 interview him, I think twice. She did twice.

1:23:51 Yeah. I mean she came out of that

1:23:54 saying and he's a fucking Psych fan.

1:23:55 Well, she said at the start he was like really nice, and then

1:23:58 he snapped at her because he. She said something.

1:24:00 He didn't lie. Yeah.

1:24:01 He did, though, admit to her one little bit that he would never

1:24:06 admit before. I believe that was something to

1:24:09 do with the the dog collar that Calvin wore.

1:24:12 Yeah. And prior to that he was like, I

1:24:14 don't know anything about dog collar, but he actually said

1:24:17 that he remembered the dog collar and saying that on him.

1:24:19 Mm hmm. So that's sort of a bit of.

1:24:23 An initial ties, Yeah, well, it definitely ties him to it

1:24:25 because I guess it was a report. It's not like that was an

1:24:29 unknown thing. Well.

1:24:31 There's the fact that he'd been questioned on on numerous

1:24:33 occasions where he'd adamantly not not, don't know anything

1:24:35 about it, don't know about it. Yeah.

1:24:37 But in that moment went yeah, I, I know, I know it.

1:24:39 I've. I saw it on him, you know, like,

1:24:41 yeah, put it, put himself in that, I guess more vulnerable

1:24:44 position of admitting something. Yeah.

1:24:46 But that was as close as he got to admitting to anything.

1:24:49 Yeah. She didn't get much more out of

1:24:51 him other than just AI guess a realization of a genuine

1:24:54 psychopath in this. And so no question of his part

1:24:59 in it. Yeah, but I mean, she's done

1:25:01 incredible work. Oh, she's amazing.

1:25:03 I mean, her her podcast. Oh, there's a a Foxtel show

1:25:07 frozen up. Yeah, Frozen lies.

1:25:09 Yeah, frozen lies. Well worth a watch.

1:25:12 But and that's and that she starts off really with another

1:25:14 case altogether, which we will do another day.

1:25:16 Yes, that's which all links back to this, which is how she sort

1:25:20 of came into looking at the the family murders.

1:25:23 Mm hmm. Yeah, but that's, and she's also

1:25:24 got a podcast as well, but I can't think of the name of that

1:25:27 at the moment. I feel like it's something

1:25:28 different, the untold stories. Yeah, the So the untold story.

1:25:33 So her book is called Banquet. That's right.

1:25:35 Yeah. That I think the podcast's the

1:25:38 same name. Yeah, it's called Banquet, like

1:25:39 the untold stories of the family murders or something like that.

1:25:42 But the book is amazing. Yeah.

1:25:46 I didn't get to finish reading it.

1:25:47 Yeah. But what I've read so far is

1:25:50 she's an amazing writer. Yes.

1:25:52 And she you can just tell she's so passionate about this, like

1:25:56 she all she wants is just. She's in for the.

1:25:58 Films, yeah. And she's in it.

1:26:00 She has come out and done interviews.

1:26:04 She wants help from people who are willing to put their time

1:26:09 and energy into this because a lot of things need to happen to

1:26:13 uncover a lot of other things. And yeah, I think her biggest

1:26:17 challenge at the moment is trying to get the names out

1:26:22 there and the suppression orders.

1:26:23 She managed to. It was her lawyers that got five

1:26:25 of them exactly brought out. So yeah, I mean, she's doing

1:26:30 amazing work, but it's. Slow going.

1:26:31 It's still not there yet. Yeah, but I have.

1:26:34 She will not stop. To me, she's like a dog with a

1:26:36 bone. She said that, you know, she's

1:26:38 interviewed the victims families and she said you can't you

1:26:42 actually walk away from that and not have it change your life

1:26:46 forever and not you. You just can't walk away as in

1:26:49 she's like, I have to see this through.

1:26:51 Like I, I can't. Not now that I've met the

1:26:53 families. Yeah.

1:26:54 Yeah, she just wants that, that, that.

1:26:57 Yeah. Feeling of injustice, yes.

1:26:58 That's. There's not I.

1:26:59 Have to help them because they, they kind of, I think, you know,

1:27:03 in some ways when von Inem went to prison, the police were like,

1:27:07 well, yeah, we've got the guy. Yeah, legit think that's, this

1:27:11 is where I kind of got someone, maybe in the police service,

1:27:15 maybe allegedly, because why is this not being investigated more

1:27:21 wholeheartedly? They have lists of names.

1:27:24 Why have they? Why have they been suppressed so

1:27:26 long? But OK, let's say, OK, if

1:27:28 they've been suppressed because you guys are investigating

1:27:30 something, fine. Cool, cool, cool, but where's

1:27:34 the investigation? Where are we at?

1:27:35 What's going on with that? We need to actually see

1:27:38 something from it 'cause according to everything now what

1:27:41 was brought back to cold case detectives in 2007 and then

1:27:45 closed again in 2010 with no further charges laid.

1:27:49 So why? It's not solved, so it is still

1:27:51 a cold case. Absolutely.

1:27:52 Unsolved case. Yeah, which I know they say, you

1:27:55 know, yeah, close cases like this are never closed, closed,

1:27:57 but it's not being actively looked at.

1:27:59 So if they're not actively looking at anything, why are

1:28:01 these names being suppressed then?

1:28:03 Yeah, bring them out. Yeah.

1:28:04 Let's see what, See what comes. See.

1:28:06 Like shake the trees. See what falls.

1:28:09 And I'm sorry if these are just big name people and you're

1:28:11 worried about their reputation. Oh, fuck off.

1:28:14 I'm sorry. I'm so over that bullshit, that

1:28:16 men's club of that. I cannot with it.

1:28:18 No. If they are linked to this in

1:28:20 some way, if they are truly innocent, that will be proven.

1:28:24 Yeah. Bring out who's been linked to

1:28:28 this. Yeah.

1:28:29 Let them come. Let them speak about where their

1:28:32 their role in this is. I could not agree with you more.

1:28:35 It's it makes me so angry. Yeah, it's bullshit for those

1:28:38 families who know that their their kids were tortured and

1:28:47 just disposed of by these evil pieces of shit.

1:28:53 A complete and utter network of them working together to just,

1:28:58 well, think that they had the Oh my God.

1:29:01 It just fucking shits me how much that these people think

1:29:04 that they are better than everyone else.

1:29:06 That they have the power. Why?

1:29:07 Because they've got status or money or what?

1:29:11 What gives you the right to treat people like that?

1:29:14 No. It's disgusting.

1:29:16 It's, it's, it's horrible. It's horrendous.

1:29:19 I, it's really awful how I don't know how other people in it,

1:29:23 like, I mean, with it being in Adelaide, I don't feel like we

1:29:27 get the story here. And I, I, I do know that social

1:29:30 media, etcetera, it's heavily spoken about, but if it's not in

1:29:35 mainstream media sources, why aren't the people of Adelaide

1:29:38 jumping up and down like maybe they are and we're just not

1:29:42 hearing it? I don't know.

1:29:44 But it's clearly not getting through.

1:29:45 Well, look at Debbie. She's jumping up and down and

1:29:47 what's happening? Then she she's loud.

1:29:49 She's got a voice. She's got a loud yeah, yeah, she

1:29:52 does. As well, she's got contact,

1:29:54 she's got lawyers who are helping her and she's still

1:29:56 still, I mean, as you said, she's made absolute strides that

1:30:00 would not have been made without her, but she's still not all the

1:30:04 way there yet, no. No, I mean.

1:30:06 So I just wonder what what would anyone else do?

1:30:11 I know. How do you make How do you make

1:30:15 that noise? Yeah, I don't know.

1:30:16 Yeah, yeah, she's incredible. Check out her book and her

1:30:19 podcast. Yeah, definitely worth a listen.

1:30:21 She's. The other good book to read, and

1:30:22 I can't think of the name of the author now, Youngblood.

1:30:26 It was a that was that's a heavy read.

1:30:29 That's. I haven't read that.

1:30:31 So did you read it? I audio booked.

1:30:35 OK, that's Bob O'Brien. Bob O'Brien, thank you.

1:30:38 Thank you. Yeah.

1:30:38 Yeah. That's it's a tough read.

1:30:40 OK. Yeah.

1:30:42 I didn't go down that one only because of time.

1:30:47 Like I just didn't have time. There's so much this.

1:30:49 Was the thing with this case, we gave ourselves slightly more

1:30:52 time to investigate this one because?

1:30:55 Then there's a couple of extra days.

1:30:56 Only a few extra days. And in the midst of that was

1:30:58 Easter. Like, yeah, it's it was a lot to

1:31:01 try. And I know, I hope that we've

1:31:02 done it justice in that sense. I know we haven't touched on

1:31:05 everything. We absolutely got like there is

1:31:07 no way even in A2 parter we could touch on everything.

1:31:10 But no, go and have a look at those resources we've mentioned

1:31:13 because, you know, if you want deep dives, that's where to go

1:31:17 together. For sure.

1:31:18 I'm so curious to know what everyone thinks.

1:31:20 Do you have theories? Are there things that we missed

1:31:22 that you've heard about, that we don't know about or that we've

1:31:26 not touched on in this episode? Yeah, please let us know.

1:31:29 Yeah, really keen to hear. There's so many links to other

1:31:32 crimes as well that we haven't even touched on with the family.

1:31:35 But anyway. I think 'cause it's.

1:31:36 Just too hard It's. Spider webs out everywhere.

1:31:38 Yeah, we could keep going forever.

1:31:40 If we don't, we have to narrow it into yeah, this major part of

1:31:43 it, but there we are. We please know we do understand

1:31:45 there's more to it. Yeah, cuz yeah, there's just so

1:31:48 much to it. So much that was really heavy.

1:31:51 I struggled researching that. I know this will be a heavy

1:31:56 listen for our listeners as well.

1:31:58 It's a big one. So please take care of

1:32:01 yourselves. Go and listen to some happy

1:32:03 music now. Yeah, yeah.

1:32:05 Been watching to try and break this up.

1:32:07 I've been watching a good show. I was saying to you called Jury

1:32:10 Duty. Yeah, it's hilarious.

1:32:12 Get onto it. It's on prime.

1:32:13 Yeah, yeah, very, yes, very good.

1:32:15 Combination of like Truman Show and The Office.

1:32:19 Yeah, yeah. That's a good way of putting it.

1:32:21 Yeah. Yeah.

1:32:22 Definitely worth it. Very large.

1:32:24 Yeah. Love it.

1:32:25 All right, well, I hope everyone has a wonderful, wonderful week.

1:32:28 I was about to say who we're doing next week and I've

1:32:31 completely lost where I've written.

1:32:33 It Reynard Singer. How do you say Sonaga?

1:32:36 Sonaga. Sorry.

1:32:37 Yeah, Yes, that's who we're doing.

1:32:39 Yeah. All right, So stay tuned for us

1:32:41 next week for another episode. Keep the case suggestions

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1:32:47 Please do because we might be having a giveaway over there

1:32:51 soon. Yeah, love it.

1:32:54 All right, stay curious, crime besties.

1:32:56 Bye.