Episode 71 - Paddy Moriarty: Last Stop Larrimah

0:15 Welcome back to Crime Besties to the second last episode of the

0:18 year. Meg, can you even believe it?

0:19 No, it's still May, isn't it? Yeah, I'm not ready for December

0:24 at all. OK, well.

0:25 You've got a really good excuse not to be ready, so that is

0:29 completely and utterly understandable.

0:31 Stop it happening though, no. It does.

0:33 Unfortunately, no, it doesn't. It is coming at a very, very

0:36 rapid pace. Really is like I, I honestly

0:39 just don't feel like this is where we should be at this point

0:41 in the year. I don't know.

0:43 It's not feeling like the like normally the last few weeks of

0:45 school and all those things, there's a vibe.

0:48 I'm not feeling the vibe and I know why I'm not feeling the

0:50 vibe but like it's making it really hard to like.

0:53 Run up the year and actually. I'm one of those people who I

0:56 need like a deadline on looming on top of me to get shit done.

1:02 And I'm not feeling that at the moment.

1:04 I'm kind of like, there's this weird, like, eh, it's, it's

1:07 really not. Like she'll be right, yeah.

1:09 She'll be right kind of attitude that I'm like, no, I need to

1:11 freaking do shit. But it's not.

1:14 I also need the motivation then to do it.

1:16 You've given everything you've been through.

1:17 I I understand why it's not at the forefront.

1:21 No, no, it's a lot. It's a lot.

1:23 It's a lot, even if you've got nothing else going on.

1:26 No exactly. Christmas is mental.

1:28 I just. I actually caught up with a dad

1:30 at school this morning. I.

1:31 Don't love dads at this and oh. Well, so he goes, he's like, oh,

1:34 hi, I haven't seen you for ages. I'm like, yeah.

1:37 And he's like, how are you? And I'm like, honestly, I feel

1:39 like I'm limping towards the end of the year.

1:41 Yeah, although. Last year I felt worse, this

1:44 year I'm feeling a bit more on top of things but.

1:47 When you're finished or you've hung in Christmas shopping

1:48 already, yeah. And then he's like, oh, I was

1:54 actually talking to someone else the other day and yeah, that's

1:58 right. It was a a cricket on Friday

1:59 night and they said the same thing.

2:02 They're like limping towards the end.

2:03 And he's like, I just feel great.

2:06 And I'm like, I'm not actually gonna have this conversation

2:09 with you, but I'm glad you feel. Great.

2:10 Maybe you should check in with your wife.

2:13 Is she feeling like that? Too is she?

2:15 Feeling just as great as you because I I can pretty much

2:18 assure you she's probably not. No, exactly.

2:21 Oh God. So.

2:23 So oblivious too. Oh yeah, it's weird.

2:26 There's like all this stuff just comes and it all just gets done.

2:29 And I don't even know what we're getting everyone.

2:32 Oh, oh, that one. Yeah.

2:34 I still love that. That whole, you know, when the

2:36 kids open their presents and like, yeah, Dad looks as just as

2:39 excited and a surprise, surprise.

2:41 Yeah, yeah. Whereas I'm going and like open

2:43 the other one first because that one comes out.

2:45 Pertains to that or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

2:48 Oh my goodness. Jesus, Yeah, we take it on and

2:51 as we do every year, but yeah, yeah.

2:55 It's a lot. It's a lot.

2:56 But I do love it. I love Christmas and one of my

3:01 kids in particular this year is so into Elf on the Shelf.

3:04 We've got we've. Got that friggin thing?

3:06 Yes. We've got Kevin and Alfie, Kevin

3:08 and this year Kenzie came along so we've got 3 but my eldest is.

3:17 One, is it enough? I don't know how you do 3.

3:20 Well, I I thought. Process of like well.

3:22 Yeah, my eldest is taking care of that now.

3:24 So yeah, making sure the elves are attended to and and

3:29 everything's all good so. It's the worst going to bed at

3:32 night and going oh fuck the elf. Yeah, yeah.

3:35 Oh my God, like this morning. Oh, I had.

3:38 I do these things to myself. I think you know we do the.

3:41 Gluttons for petition. Oh my.

3:43 God set up the elf with like a note that was printed that said

3:46 like SH don't read this out loud.

3:49 I've put a spell on your mum and she can't read it and but I've

3:54 also put a spell on her so that she'll say whenever you ask her

3:56 can I have these lollies that are.

3:58 On the table. She'll say yes, of course.

4:02 So. Oh God, so how much?

4:05 How many lollies did they have? That's why I limited it to what

4:07 was on the plate, yeah. OK.

4:10 It was pre portion. Good move.

4:12 But it was still more than I would ever let the money eat,

4:15 you know, in. The otherwise, good luck to the

4:17 teachers, honestly. Totally, especially just in.

4:20 The advent calendars you know that kids would be consuming

4:23 before school. Yeah, that's it.

4:24 I know they're already eating the cat.

4:25 They're those I purposely got like a Lego one this year as

4:28 well. Yeah, just to like, you know and

4:30 they're loving doing that one so that next year I can then wean

4:33 them off of the the. Lolly.

4:34 One, yeah, 'cause I'm like, no, but you love that one so much.

4:37 They're doing that Lego good. Stop fighting over who's gonna

4:40 make it. Yeah, guys, come on.

4:42 Oh my. God, it's all just, you know, a

4:45 balancing act isn't? It isn't it, isn't it?

4:48 We put up all of our Christmas decorations last week and, yeah,

4:51 as, as we said in last week's episode, of course, the pudding

4:56 of the star had to be. Thankfully it was written down.

5:00 And then Lucas, it was Lucas's turn this year.

5:02 And he gets up and he goes, Mum, I am so honoured to put the

5:06 star. I want to show you the photo.

5:10 He was beaming. Oh, that is just thought it was

5:12 the best thing in the world. So that was so cute, so.

5:16 They're the stuff that like, you know, that's the stuff that

5:19 you're really like, definitely you want that stuff, but all the

5:22 other shit you gotta. Go.

5:24 I know, I know, there's as many UPS as there are downs, that's

5:27 for sure. Is there?

5:28 As many as many balancing action.

5:33 That's it. Yes, yes.

5:35 Do you want to give everyone an update on our TikTok?

5:37 Oh. God, Oh my God, people.

5:40 So obviously Spotify Wrapped came out this week, which

5:44 amazing, amazing, amazing. I went to share on socials,

5:48 opened up our TikTok and what's there?

5:51 We've been locked out and our account has been shut down.

5:55 So we don't. We don't know why.

5:56 We know we've breached some rule.

5:58 And said something about network, automated network

6:03 connecting something, something real weird that basically I

6:06 think we're terrorists or something.

6:07 Yeah, I've got no idea. I've done nothing.

6:10 Different Too much crime. Much crime, I don't know.

6:13 We've done nothing wrong. There's no violations.

6:15 Normally you get like. Yeah, I get.

6:16 A few community violations here because we've used the word kill

6:20 or something or something. Yeah.

6:21 Yeah, it was the one where we did the the school shootings.

6:26 Yeah. Did not like those at all.

6:28 It kept giving us violations for those.

6:30 Yeah, but everything else has been fine, really.

6:32 So, yeah, all of a sudden bang, but not only just a violation,

6:35 it's your count's gone. Done.

6:36 It's wiped. I have appealed it.

6:39 I don't know that we'll get it back.

6:41 I think it might be gone. So I don't know whether we'll

6:45 try again with TikTok or not. We had, we had like a really

6:49 huge amount of. Followers, yeah, close to 4000

6:51 followers over there on TikTok, so look.

6:54 You know, build that back up. We could potentially, I don't

6:57 know, I'll see what we we want to do, but I'll give it the IT

7:00 says like it could be up to seven days for them to make a

7:03 decision on the appeal. So we'll give it that time.

7:06 If they reinstate us, great. If not, maybe we'll give it a

7:09 crack and start again. Yeah, and we'll send it out,

7:13 check it out and to re follow. But at the moment come over to

7:16 Instagram or Facebook. We're there on both, probably

7:20 more so on Instagram these days. The same stuff gets posted

7:23 pretty much. But yeah, yeah, just move on

7:26 over there for the moment. I don't know, Is TikTok worth it

7:29 these days? The algorithm had certainly it

7:31 was great for us when we first started.

7:33 And I really, I think that's what's so sad about it.

7:36 TikTok really gave us our push out, I think to really get the

7:39 word out to begin with and it was so good for us.

7:42 But it's died in the last. I mean, we've probably been

7:45 saying it for the last few months anyway that we're just

7:46 not getting the the amount of views the.

7:49 Algorithm. No, Previously we're, you know,

7:51 we're getting thousands of views on our stuff.

7:53 Now we're getting hundred. Yeah, a couple 100.

7:56 And like, is it worth it? It's a lot of extra.

7:58 Work, it is extra work. I mean, just going off of

8:00 Instagram and Facebook, you post once for for both.

8:03 Like it's kind of nice and easy to do that, whereas it's a

8:06 separate upload for TikTok, which is fine.

8:09 It's not the end of the world, but like, yeah, I don't know.

8:12 We'll see how we go. See how we go yeah, stay tuned.

8:15 But if you're looking for us over on TikTok and why we

8:17 haven't posted, that's why can't find us.

8:19 We've been Bayon. OK, I didn't do anything, I

8:22 promise. Another place that you can come

8:25 and have a look at us, though, is over on Patreon if you want

8:27 to join us over there. So yes, we have a bestie tier

8:30 that's $5 a month. Yeah, you can cancel at any

8:33 time. So if you just want to come over

8:34 and check out what we've released there, you can see all

8:37 of our back episodes. So the yeah, Patreon.

8:40 And. Without ads.

8:41 Yeah. And this week we released one

8:44 where that I recorded with producer Pete Meg.

8:48 What was your favorite part of that?

8:50 Freaking it's in context, yeah, talking about your stump, Peter

8:54 of actually knew certain people relating to stories because he's

8:59 not an avid true crime person, but he listens to every podcast

9:02 of ours because because we're bounced.

9:04 And yeah. And so you were asking me if you

9:06 if you knew who Jonbenet was prior to listening to the

9:09 episode. And he was his response was I do

9:12 get her confused with Honey Boo Boo Boo Boo.

9:18 They're both pageanty, aren't they?

9:20 I'm like, oh, they couldn't be more far apart, further apart,

9:22 really. That was my favorite quote,

9:26 yeah. Yeah, so.

9:27 If you want to listen there though.

9:28 If you want to listen to an episode with producer Pete, head

9:30 on over to Patreon. Very great.

9:33 No, it was great and I really appreciate it too because Pete

9:36 was obviously stepping in for me for for a session.

9:38 So that was so good. Worth it.

9:40 Worth it? Totally.

9:42 He he was saying that he was really, he really didn't want to

9:45 do it. I was like, no, you've got to do

9:46 it. Come on.

9:47 You know, suck a big old pants on and let's let's get it done.

9:50 And at the end of it, he's like, oh, it actually wasn't as bad as

9:53 I thought. Like, I think the anticipation

9:55 of it was worse than actually then recording it.

9:57 Yeah. But listening back, he's like, I

9:59 hate the way I sound. I'm like, we all hate the way we

10:01 sound. Yeah, welcome to us listening

10:03 our two episodes. Yeah, I was.

10:05 Chatting with one of my workmates, I think I was

10:07 mentioned her on the podcast a few times before a tractor.

10:10 She came and saw me yesterday and we were just just, I can't

10:13 even remember how it came up, but I was saying I just can't

10:16 stand the sound of my own voice when I'm listening.

10:18 No, even listening to us at 1 1/2 it, I feel like it just

10:21 makes my voice more irritating. So it's a 10.

10:24 Yeah, OK. Just.

10:26 Keep going faster I'll. Try it.

10:28 And she's like, no, it it I, she's like, I know everyone

10:31 thinks their own voice sounds bad on recording, but she's

10:33 like, it's not it's fine. Thanks.

10:36 A tractor. That's that's.

10:37 Lovely even says that, says that we say that we sound the same.

10:40 Yeah, OK. And I'm like no.

10:42 Oh, you and I. Yeah, no, God, I'm way louder

10:44 than. Me.

10:45 Oh yeah, we have to tone my whatever.

10:48 Right down on the Scarlet. Oh yeah.

10:50 Oh man. Oh my, yeah.

10:52 Really. How old do you know me?

10:54 Yeah, that's why she she's your mother after all.

10:58 I love it. I love it.

11:00 Speaking the hearing aids up, Paddy.

11:02 What was that? Turn The hearing aids up, Paddy.

11:05 Maybe listen with an earbud maybe, maybe had way to go.

11:09 Yeah. Ohh.

11:09 There's a good idea for a Christmas present.

11:11 Oh, she's got him. Ohh I love how I whispered that

11:15 thinking she might not hear it if.

11:17 No, should be probably on about. Yep.

11:23 Speaking of Patreon though, we do have two new patreons this

11:26 week. Lynn Curry, my mum and dad

11:30 because they're sharing an account.

11:31 Loved that she worked it out. Or well, no, I don't for it.

11:34 Yeah, got it. Oh, and it was like, Oh my God,

11:37 it was like pulling teeth because, you know, we had to log

11:39 into Google and then we forgot the Google password.

11:44 So anyway, yeah, I've been there.

11:46 Uh huh, but appreciate it Mum and dad, Thank you yes and then

11:51 and then we've got Beck Mcewing as well, who's joined us this

11:54 week. So thank you very, very much to

11:56 both of you yes, we've had coffees bought for us by Kristy

12:00 Kay, who's just found us and is really enjoying our back catalog

12:04 episode. So thank you very, very much for

12:07 that. And then, yeah, we've had some

12:10 really lovely comments as well. We've actually had so many, so

12:14 many pertaining to like with your dad passing away and how

12:19 lovely people have been. Amazing.

12:21 Thank you so much for all the love for that.

12:22 It's been so I was at one particular person.

12:25 I was actually messaging back and forth with a fair bit.

12:27 And that's the thing I just said.

12:29 This community has really helped me like get through this tough

12:33 stuff because like, it's just to know that people, you know, care

12:36 is so lovely, isn't it? You know, it's really, really

12:39 been beautiful and I really appreciate everyone for it.

12:41 So I love our little community that we've created.

12:43 Here, it's so good at times like this, it really can bring out

12:46 the best in people. Yeah, yeah.

12:48 And as difficult as it is and as awful as it is for you and your

12:52 family and for all of the people who loved your dad, yeah, you

12:55 know, you really do see the goodness in people. 100% I was

12:58 only having this conversation yesterday with someone about,

13:01 you know, our lives are so busy and things these days with, you

13:04 know, that when something happens, she was talking about,

13:07 you know, like the margin on a page, like everyone needs to

13:09 have a margin. Like, you know, instead of

13:10 running your life to an absolute NTH degree, you need to have a

13:12 little bit of space where you can, if something goes wrong,

13:15 you've got that bit of room to move to.

13:17 And I'm like, yeah, I don't have that room to move to.

13:19 And I said, but what I've learnt through what I've gone through

13:22 at the moment is even though I don't have a margin, the people

13:26 in my life have been my margin, you know, because so many people

13:29 have come to the forefront of like supporting us and doing

13:32 things that it's just been so amazing that I've realised that

13:36 it's not how many friends you've got.

13:38 It's the quality of those few that you have that just step up

13:41 when you need them. Yeah.

13:42 And it blows me away. I'll get really emotional, so

13:45 I'll just move on. But yeah, yeah, the margin is

13:47 important. But it's how you, how however

13:49 you in your life need that margin.

13:50 Because I was saying like, I can't go reducing my hours at

13:52 work. Like that's a financial

13:54 decision, you know, things like that.

13:55 But I want to do my podcast and I want to, you know, that's for

13:57 me. And all these things that you

13:58 put in your life that you go, yeah, no, there's no room to

14:00 move. But if you've got the right

14:02 people around you, you've got room to move.

14:05 Yeah, without is letting go of other things.

14:07 Really interesting concept, like I've never actually heard that

14:10 before. So that yeah, that's.

14:12 Really interesting. Yeah, yeah.

14:13 We had a very in depth conversation at basketball

14:15 training. Yeah.

14:18 Oh, it's amazing. There are things that will come

14:20 up when you're sitting there with nothing else to.

14:21 Do. Oh no.

14:22 He's trained for the umpteenth time this year.

14:24 Love that this is not. Someone to talk to you that

14:27 regularly too. But we've been really, it was

14:28 really amazing. Lovely.

14:29 Like that's a really good way of looking at Yeah.

14:31 And yeah, I mean, yeah, that this is these are the times when

14:34 you can lean on your people. Exactly.

14:36 Yeah, Yeah. I haven't had to have to even

14:38 ask, you know, like, I mean, God, you amazing.

14:41 Oh, don't even. Don't even get me started.

14:44 Yeah, but that's the people you need in your life.

14:46 Yeah. And I hope everyone's got that.

14:48 And if you don't, you know they're out there.

14:50 You just need to keep looking for them.

14:51 Yep. And Yep.

14:53 Yep, absolutely. And also go go with our

14:56 community here. We've certainly we are building

14:59 a really lovely community with people and we really appreciate

15:02 everyone. Every comment like, you know, as

15:04 much as I said, there's the people immediately with you, but

15:06 those people that are just saying a comment that here and

15:08 there that build you up and makes you feel like I can keep

15:10 going. I can keep doing like because.

15:12 Speaking of which, we had a really great comment from Kara

15:15 Jane this week. Oh yeah.

15:16 She's like, oh, thank God, you've released another podcast.

15:20 Now I can clean my house again. And I'm like, oh, great.

15:26 I'm I'm really happy for you and the cleanliness.

15:28 Of you. I love that.

15:29 I can just imagine. Like my house is like that too.

15:31 When I don't listen to podcast. Yeah, it doesn't get done.

15:35 And then we actually had another really funny and really another

15:39 really nice comment from a new listener named Natalia.

15:41 I feel I feel like she's only just found us.

15:44 Yeah. And she's like, you guys really

15:45 sound like my people. I'm super getting into this.

15:48 Yeah. So thanks, Natalia, and welcome.

15:50 Yes, just really quickly as well.

15:52 I did want to mention the a new podcast has come out.

15:57 It was released this week. It's the the new season of the

16:00 Unravel podcast released by the ABC and it was made created by

16:07 Rachel Brown. She's.

16:08 Awesome. I think I mean, she did the

16:11 Maria James, the long form podcast, the Trace podcast of

16:14 Maria James. She's done lots of, lots of

16:17 things. She was on the Mushroom case,

16:18 the ABC's Mushroom Case Daily, that podcast.

16:22 And she's incredible. She's an incredible

16:24 investigative investigative journalist.

16:26 Yeah. And she has released this, the

16:28 full season. Yeah, of Unravel called

16:31 Huntsman. And it is in relation to Greg

16:35 Lynn. So he is the man who was

16:37 convicted of the murder of Carol Clay.

16:41 Sorry. Carol Clay.

16:42 Yeah. Just Carol Clay in one in Gadda.

16:44 Yeah. And he, I mean, he's currently

16:48 in prison, but this. But he's appealing.

16:51 He's appealing, Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll get to all

16:53 that when it comes out. We'll talk about it for sure.

16:55 We'll update everyone, but this is this podcast is in relation

17:00 to his first marriage to his wife Lisa, which we spoke about.

17:03 Yeah, we moved to this in. I mean, we didn't know any

17:05 detail then because it wasn't allowed to be.

17:08 Released. No, I really knew like little

17:10 very mean better in orbit. I think you knew like.

17:13 I, we sort of said it, yeah, we said at the time that we, that

17:16 it's being reopened and looked into.

17:18 Yeah. And there was that little

17:19 circumstances, but we didn't know much.

17:21 There wasn't much else that much.

17:23 There was a media ban on it, yes.

17:25 That was literally lifted last last week, I believe, and that's

17:28 why they because Rachel was saying she's had this on ice for

17:32 this is the. Thing, I mean this, I mean,

17:34 that's the thing. Because that was so long ago

17:35 that occurred. Yeah.

17:36 There had to have been more about it, like kind of thing.

17:38 And that's why I was like alluding to the fact that it

17:40 won't. It's got to come out.

17:41 There's going to be more to this.

17:43 But I mean, nothing changes in terms of time other than people

17:46 actually speaking out. So.

17:48 But hopefully this is the moment and something will come of it

17:51 because my gut instinct is that he'll get off of Carol Clay.

17:54 And so hopefully then he'll go down for that.

17:56 Yeah. And maybe even the neighbors.

17:59 And then maybe we'll find out who died in the Northern

18:01 Territory. Yeah, yeah, let's wait and see.

18:04 I know. Yeah, there's, there's a lot

18:06 there, a lot to unpack. Yeah, I think he's it's, it's an

18:09 incredible podcast. Guys, go over there after you

18:11 finish listening to this, obviously I'll head on over

18:14 there and and give her a listen because I just love her.

18:17 She's great. She's really, really good, yeah.

18:20 Very good. So this week we are discussing

18:24 The Last Stop Larimer disappearance of Patty Moriarty.

18:30 Now in preparation for this, obviously we watched the Last

18:34 Stop Larimer HBO documentary which is on Netflix at the

18:37 moment. Well, it's been on Netflix for a

18:38 while and it's still on there. So please do yourselves A favour

18:42 if you haven't watched it, you need to must.

18:45 It's a 2 parter. I think the episodes are maybe

18:48 50 or 60 minutes each. Yeah, it's not a massive time

18:51 commitment, but bloody hell is well worth.

18:54 It from both angles of like a mystery crime kind of situation,

18:57 but the characters. The characters, so I'd watch

19:02 this ages ago when it first came out and, and I remembered it,

19:08 you know, I sort of remembered what what was said and what was

19:11 done in it. So when I was researching this,

19:14 Oliver was like, can I watch it with you?

19:15 And I was like, actually, you know what you can, there's some

19:17 swearing and that's right. There's nothing gruesome.

19:20 There's some swearing. I mean, it's not like he doesn't

19:22 hear swearing otherwise. What?

19:25 Oh actually Speaking of swearing I got a new phone this week and

19:30 I texted you yesterday and I was like what the fuck?

19:33 But it auto corrected to what the duck I.

19:35 Looked at my phone and saw that and went.

19:37 That's not Emma. I'm like, oh, isn't that cute?

19:41 My new phone doesn't doesn't realise that I always mean fuck.

19:44 I never mean duck, so duck. So I've got to train my new

19:48 phone. But anyway, so Ollie watched it

19:52 with me and he was so invested, like as in he's telling me what

19:57 notes to write, what in, what information he thinks is really

20:00 important. And he was so invested in like

20:03 who, who liked who and all of the characters in in it because

20:08 it is such a great story. Well, it is.

20:10 It is. If nothing else, this is a

20:12 credible story like And so there's Australia.

20:17 Wait, the way Australia is viewed from externally, from

20:20 Australia, this is, I think what everyone thinks we are all like

20:23 yeah, when, but we, we as Australians are fascinated by

20:27 these Australians. That's.

20:28 Right, That's right. Because I mean, how many people

20:30 actually live like that? So.

20:32 It's, I mean, probably not today, these days, like it's not

20:35 that many, but maybe back in the day there was a lot more of this

20:39 style of living. I don't know, maybe fast I just

20:41 because I went to a whole rabbit hole of like real estate in the

20:45 area. Yeah, it just float.

20:47 That blows my mind. How cheap it is?

20:50 How? Cheap it is, but also then like,

20:51 I mean, but even even then, like how, how do people pay for that

20:54 and why and what do you what's your return on that?

20:57 Like, you know, it's not investment really, is it

20:59 because. Absolutely not.

21:00 We can talk about that more as. Yeah.

21:02 Because yeah, that that fascinating.

21:04 Too. Just really fascinating, yeah.

21:06 Why people make those decisions. Yeah.

21:07 Yeah. Yeah, agreed.

21:09 Yeah. All right, let's get let's get

21:10 going. So Patrick Joseph Moriarty was

21:13 born on the 30th of March in 1947 in Limerick Island.

21:17 His mother's name was Mary Teresa Moriarty.

21:20 And we, he doesn't know who his dad is.

21:23 Yeah. If there was no father listed on

21:25 his birth certificate at all. Yeah.

21:28 When he was 18, he moved to Australia.

21:30 He came over on the fair start. Yeah.

21:33 And he had no relatives here, so I actually couldn't find what

21:36 his motivation was. I don't know that he's ever

21:38 spoken about why he decided to come to Australia, but obviously

21:41 he was looking for a bit of an adventure.

21:43 That sort of thing, I think just a different yeah, he he was sort

21:47 of a station hand that kind of, you know, work.

21:50 So it may be just like it was a pull of what Australia had to

21:52 offer in terms of that sort of style of work.

21:54 I just assumed that he fell into that when he came over.

21:57 No, he did that back home too. OK, a little bit like he was

22:00 only young. He was only 1819 when he arrived

22:02 here. So yeah, it was.

22:04 But it was certainly that was what he was interested in

22:06 working as. So oh, then that kind of makes

22:08 sense. Maybe that's all it was, but

22:10 yeah, it wasn't sort of specifically stated from him

22:12 that that's why. But yeah, that's kind of vibe I

22:14 got. I believe he was quite a skilled

22:17 cattle musterer. That was like one of his

22:18 specific skills and made him sort of fairly employable on

22:22 cattle stations. Exactly.

22:24 And he also worked as a Rd. grader driver as well at some

22:27 point in in that time, yeah, he loved himself a rodeo.

22:31 Now I got my nails done last night and I don't Even so I was

22:39 getting my nails done and and the tech was saying she's like,

22:42 oh, what are you up to this weekend?

22:43 And, and I was like, oh, I'm going, I've got my work

22:47 Christmas party. And she goes, oh, the person who

22:50 came in right before you has her Christmas party this weekend as

22:53 well. And she's going to the rodeo.

22:56 And I'm like, oh, what? I didn't even know we had rodeos

22:59 in Australia. Oh, in Australia, yeah, but not

23:01 local. Well.

23:02 Apparently, just in the Yarra Valley they do.

23:03 Them. Oh, I have heard them doing out

23:05 that way, yeah. Oh OK.

23:06 Yeah. Oh my God, All right, I didn't

23:08 even know we did. Not in Victoria, not in suburban

23:13 Melbourne, not really. Yeah, a bit further out, yeah,

23:17 yeah, Anyway, okay, that's an interesting choice for a

23:19 Christmas party. Still, I don't know what

23:21 industry this person was in, but it is an interesting choice.

23:24 Yeah, I guess it's something different.

23:26 I could come at it like something fun different to do

23:28 yeah I I I find them really like rodeos even when I've watched a

23:32 few, like I haven't been said anything live.

23:34 Let's just say that. But like, I don't know that they

23:37 scare the show me those balls like oh.

23:38 Yeah, no, hold on. Are you thinking?

23:40 Oh, horse ones. Yeah, I think it's a horse

23:42 rodeo. Oh.

23:43 OK, so what's the difference? Well, are you thinking of?

23:46 Like when the Bulls like. No, like bull fighting.

23:49 Bull fighting. That's rodeo.

23:51 They ride the bull fighting, they ride the bull.

23:53 Oh, the bucking bull. Yeah, but aren't they horses?

23:57 No, they're bulls. They get on the bull, do they?

23:59 Yeah, OK, I thought a rodeo was poor.

24:03 Anyway, whatever. Paddy liked the rodeo.

24:06 What do they do on the horses? Do they get to?

24:07 Is it the same so they like it? I thought so like a non broken

24:10 in horse kind of situation. Yeah, I thought so.

24:12 Well, that's less scary, but I mean, well, not that you're on a

24:15 horse stepping on you or anything like that, but no,

24:16 they're nice. Yeah.

24:18 I don't know. No.

24:20 Or maybe me too. We're gonna have to do some

24:22 research on radio. Todo, todo, todo.

24:30 So he won a belt buckle in Darwin in 1996, I believe.

24:33 It was quite a coveted, A coveted prize that he won rodeo

24:38 in. Whatever that actually is, I

24:40 don't know. He had a partner for a long time

24:45 named Dorothy Rankin. She worked on the stations with

24:48 him and they, their relationship, I look, I feel

24:51 like it was possibly one of convenience.

24:54 They were sort of there and with each other.

24:56 Yeah. Because as soon as she retired,

24:58 they separated, she moved away. And that was kind of the end of

25:02 the relationship is. It maybe a little bit of image,

25:05 I think, I think pops up later. It's like, you know, small doses

25:08 of Patty and maybe when retirement hit, it was like,

25:10 whoa, this is a bit too much. I don't.

25:12 Even think he'd retired though, but I think she'd retired.

25:15 Yeah. Yeah, that'd be enough.

25:16 Maybe. Yeah.

25:17 Well, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking.

25:19 She moved away and went probably that's.

25:21 I'm done with that now. He then had another relationship

25:24 between 2000 and 2003 with somebody and then from that

25:28 point onward, nobody. I don't think he had any further

25:31 relationships after that, no. Patty was quite a small man.

25:35 He was only 165cm tall. I can say that because I'm 165cm

25:40 tall, so. For a man bloke.

25:42 That's pretty short, but you look at him in the documentary

25:45 and he was little. Like he wasn't a big bloke by

25:47 any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, in 2006, so health wise he

25:53 was doing OK In 2006 he was diagnosed with ischemic heart

25:57 disease and had to have some stents put in, but otherwise he

26:00 was actually quite healthy. Yeah.

26:02 Fit as Melly Bowl as I'd say like.

26:04 Isn't it? But then you look at how much

26:05 beer he consumed, which I actually did some calculations.

26:09 Of that well preserved. Maybe I might be up.

26:11 Definitely well preserved, a bit pickled.

26:13 Maybe. Yeah, yeah.

26:15 In 2008 he moved from daily waters to Larimer and in. 2005

26:20 Oh, was it? Yeah, she isn't far.

26:21 OK, Yeah. And in 2010, he bought a disused

26:25 servo in Larimer, which was called the Top.

26:28 Top end of the paddock. Top of the town.

26:29 Top of the town. That's right.

26:30 God, how did where did I get paddock from?

26:32 Yeah, for $30,000. And Bucks, wow, it was.

26:36 Pretty rundown, like it. All of the dwellings and

26:40 businesses in Larimer, I'm gonna say it, they are pretty

26:43 dilapidated. Yeah, yeah, nothing's really

26:46 been up kept. And well, I mean, the the

26:49 weather alone out there would cause damage to things very

26:53 quickly. Like nothing would stay new for

26:56 long. Do that I would, I'd say.

26:58 We're talking Outback NT so Larimer is 158 kilometres South

27:03 of Catherine, which is the next sort of biggest town, really.

27:06 Yeah, on the Stewart Highway and at the time of Paddy's

27:10 disappearance, it had somewhere between 10:00 and 12:00

27:12 residents, depending on who you. Ask at the time.

27:14 I find that that's. I find that.

27:15 Hilarious every Most places say 11, but then some places say 10.

27:19 Some places say 12. Depends on who you.

27:21 Count and who you are residents that's.

27:22 True, because like there was. A bit slight transient

27:25 population there. Who?

27:27 There would be people who'd come for the wet season, yeah.

27:30 And then go away for the dry. Seasons when the good weather

27:33 comes. That's right, exactly.

27:36 There's no mobile phone reception in Larimer, so that

27:38 gives you an idea of how remote it is.

27:40 One more, one phone box. Phone box down out the front of

27:45 Franz. Yeah, which is down the Paddy's

27:48 end as well of Larimer. Yeah, when we say down the end,

27:51 it's like 1 Rd. not. Far.

27:53 Yeah, it's not far from the North End to the South end.

27:56 It's not very far, no. We can actually even pop the map

28:00 stuff on the socials. For sure, yeah.

28:02 So, yeah, so the next, the next town that actually has like

28:07 mobile phone service and like a little general store and

28:10 slightly more services than Larimar, Yeah, is Mataranka.

28:13 And that's 76 kilometers away. Yeah.

28:17 So 76 kilometers towards Catherine.

28:19 Yeah, you're talking like a couple of hour drive.

28:21 Yeah, just to get to like. An hour there and back, yeah,

28:23 just to, yeah, restock something.

28:25 One of them said like it was a 19 hour outing to do the grocery

28:31 shopping. Yeah, so they'd go to Catherine.

28:33 Yeah, like, well, Fran would go and get her hair done.

28:36 All of the characters will. Discuss it to that.

28:38 But yeah, it was like a 19 hour round trip to go and get your

28:41 hair done, do some shopping, go to.

28:44 Your appointment and come home? Yeah, it was a 19 hour job.

28:47 How? Crazy is that, Yeah, we just

28:49 don't get it. And I think people but who live

28:53 internationally as well have no concept of how vast Australia

28:58 is. Yeah.

28:59 And especially in the red Centre, especially in the

29:02 desert, yeah. But even like, I mean, I've been

29:05 to Catherine, it's not like you're hitting a big city.

29:07 No, it's that is that is a country town.

29:10 Like it's what I would Class A country town.

29:13 That's the big smoke for those big.

29:15 Smoke to them. It's when you think about the

29:17 the progression of that, of where you're going.

29:19 It's not even Darwin, which again, Darwin I would call a

29:22 little big city. Yeah.

29:23 You know, like it's there's, it's, it's nothing.

29:26 Much Darwin's like 800 kilometres away from Larimer, I

29:29 think. So that just gives you a bit of

29:30 an idea of the distance. It's it's crazy.

29:33 Yeah. So Larimer has a pub, The

29:36 Larimer Hotel or the Pink Panther pub because one of the

29:39 publicans at one point decided to attract people.

29:42 Yeah, he'd make it Pink Panther theme.

29:45 Well, no, I think there's a Pink Panther out the front already.

29:48 Okay. And so he embraced the Pink

29:49 Panther, right, and painted the whole pub pink.

29:52 Because what would happen is people would back in the day

29:55 when you would need fuel at more stops, when your car wouldn't

29:58 have as much, wouldn't carry as much fuel.

30:01 You'd have to stop, make sure you stopped in Larimer because

30:03 the next stop was too far away to wait for fuel kind of thing.

30:06 So that would bring people to the town and they would use the

30:08 pub then as well. But as our fuel tanks have

30:11 gotten bigger and cars can last longer, they don't stop as often

30:14 for fuel. So they needed to attract them

30:16 elsewhere in other ways to, like, stop.

30:18 So by paying the pub pink, it sort of was supposed to, like,

30:22 get people to go, oh, what's that, you know, like, let's stop

30:25 here. So that's why.

30:27 So, yeah, embrace the Pink Panther.

30:28 There was like a wooden carved Pink Panther out the front.

30:31 Several of them. Yeah, and so you embrace that

30:33 and painted the rest of the pub pink.

30:35 I love it, I love it. It's just like such a random

30:38 thing. So random, really.

30:39 Panther out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere.

30:43 It's crazy. So there's accommodation at the

30:46 pub and there's a zoo. I'm gonna say zoo in inverted

30:50 accommodate. In animals equates to a zoo.

30:53 Well, they've got 700 birds. Yeah, in an Avery there.

30:56 Yeah. And two crocodiles.

30:59 Like, big, big fuck off. Crocodiles.

31:03 One in particular was, yeah, a massive, massive crocodile.

31:07 It was given to him by Bob Irwin.

31:09 Yeah, so this is so. No.

31:10 Didn't he Bob Irwin, his first? Crocodiles around, Actually, now

31:15 you say that. So what I heard was that he gave

31:19 Bob Irwin his first crocodile, and that's kind.

31:22 And then he's obviously gone back to Queensland, right, And

31:26 essentially started Australia. Well, Australia became Australia

31:28 Zoo. Which is we're talking about

31:30 Steve Irwin's father. Yeah, so not Robert Irwin.

31:32 He's the grandson. He's after his grandfather.

31:35 Oh, he just turned 21. And that's so wrong of me.

31:38 I know. Did you watch him on Dancing

31:40 with the Stars? Oh my God, he could not be more

31:44 perfect. He's in so many ways.

31:46 I hope my kid grows up to be like him since he is such a

31:50 beautiful. Person oh and the picture of

31:53 positive masculinity yes we could talk about him yes Yep

31:57 rate him so rate him so highly he's well done to Steve and

32:01 Terry 100% yeah because in the spotlight it could have gone oh

32:04 easily gone. The other way wrong ways.

32:07 So our mate Paddy was a a regular at the pub.

32:10 He One of his jobs was cleaning the toilet, showers and the

32:13 hotel rooms at the pub it. Wasn't really his job though,

32:16 like as in like he just did that he didn't, I don't know that he

32:18 got like paid. I believe he got paid, Did he?

32:20 I believe but it was like. Not a beer, no, no.

32:24 No, he used to pay for his beer, so I think he did get paid.

32:28 It wasn't a huge amount of money, but it was enough to tick

32:30 over. Tick him over.

32:31 This is the thing that I got. How do they live?

32:33 Like what? Do you?

32:33 I know. Yeah, I know.

32:36 He also tended to the garden a little bit.

32:38 Yeah. So he'd do all of his chores in

32:40 the morning and then he would go and sit in the pub in the

32:44 afternoon. I'll I'll chat a little bit more

32:46 about his routines a little bit later.

32:48 On very strict routine. Very strict routine.

32:51 So at the other end of Larimar to the pub was Fran's tea house.

32:56 So Fran's famous pies. They looked disgusting.

33:00 They looked so gross. There's no way I'd eat that.

33:02 I wouldn't eat it, no way. So the pies were like camel and

33:06 Buffalo. They.

33:07 Did have beef on the menu but still I'm not.

33:10 I mean, I look at them like, how's the refrigeration in a

33:13 place like that? Did that get you to?

33:15 Got me to. Yeah.

33:16 I mean, she did talk about having deep freezers and stuff,

33:18 but like, I don't know. I just don't trust it.

33:21 I know they did not. Look.

33:23 They did not look, but did you also see the bit where she was

33:27 like scooping the meat into the pastry?

33:29 Paste, isn't it? Wow.

33:30 Fatty as all fuck as well. I love a big pie but like oh.

33:33 Same, but it did not appeal to me at all.

33:36 No, but she you know, sorry Fran, don't sorry Fran don't

33:39 come for us. But she look she had every sign.

33:44 This is the bit that I just loved about about her every like

33:48 all these signs up about Fran's famous pies, only $6, you know,

33:53 come in and and she always had deals going and oh.

33:57 You always got a free teddy with your meal.

33:59 That's bizarre. Where did she get those from?

34:01 She. Make them and stuff.

34:03 Oh, what? So she worked on a particular

34:06 Elvis Presley movie? Oh yes, yes.

34:10 And she made the teddies for that movie.

34:11 OK, OK, so that was in her youth, I think, wasn't it?

34:15 And yes, she was a toy maker. I forgot about that.

34:19 Yeah. Oh, yeah, right.

34:21 So were they left? So she just had so many

34:24 leftover. Elected and stuff like kind of

34:26 stuff. And she'd been like hand out

34:28 ones. But they all look dirty and they

34:30 were all on the ground like they were all on the floor.

34:32 I wouldn't let my kid have one of those, no.

34:34 I'd be like, oh, thanks for that.

34:35 Thanks. Into the.

34:38 Fin. Into the Yeah, So as you said

34:43 before, opposite Fran's tea house was the top of the town

34:48 old disused service station that Paddy was living in.

34:50 Yes. And the only phone box in

34:53 Larimer. So Paddy had a dog and in

34:58 December of 2016 his dog Rover died.

35:01 And in November 2017, he was given a red kelpie by the name

35:05 of Kelly. So apparently Kelly was supposed

35:08 to be a working dog, belonged to a friend of his, but Kelly

35:11 didn't want to be a working dog. She was more suited to being a

35:14 pet. So in these circumstances where,

35:17 you know, you don't really have the the means to look after

35:21 working animals that are not pulling their weight, Patty sort

35:25 of took on responsibility and and took on Kelly and they had a

35:29 very, very close, you know, pet dog.

35:32 You know, they loved each other. That's.

35:34 Yeah, it was his. It was his person.

35:36 Like, you know. No, for real.

35:38 Like absolutely that I. Love that.

35:40 I love those relationships with dogs.

35:41 I just think that's absolutely beautiful.

35:43 Yeah. So yeah, Kelly went everywhere

35:44 with him. Everywhere.

35:45 So she'd go on the back of his. He had a quad bike.

35:48 Yeah. She'd go in the front seat in

35:49 his full drive. And yeah, she was always with

35:53 him. Yeah, always, always with him,

35:55 which I love. I love that.

35:57 Oh. I'd love.

35:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so nice.

36:00 As we were alluding to before, Patty loved his routine.

36:05 He was very structured, very particular, very particular.

36:08 Yeah, very clean. Now, we talked about the

36:13 dwellings in Larimer being really dilapidated.

36:16 Rundown. Rundown, Yeah, needing a fair

36:18 bit of TLC, probably, But that didn't actually stop Paddy from

36:22 having an incredibly neat and tidy home.

36:24 Everything was ordered. Yeah.

36:26 Or everything had a place. It was always put in the same

36:29 spot, Yeah. And everything was labeled like

36:31 he was meticulous. Everything was absolutely

36:35 spotless. He always wore a hat, so he was.

36:38 Bored, but no one people didn't even know.

36:40 Like he lived with a hat on his head all the time.

36:43 Never then there was never took it either wore a cap.

36:45 Yeah, or this white disc looking cowboy hat.

36:48 Did you've seen photos? Oh, yeah, just it's so wet band

36:51 around it. Yeah, yeah.

36:53 But he would always, always. Absolutely.

36:56 If the only time he took his hat off was literally to go, to put

36:58 his head down, to go to bed sort of stuff, it was.

37:00 If it was in his home, the hat might have came off.

37:03 But. That was it.

37:04 Whatever anyone else was with him in the home or out of the

37:07 home, his hat was on. And I think that's really

37:10 interesting that like he was obviously so self-conscious of

37:13 being bald that people didn't he would cover him his head so that

37:16 people didn't know he was bold. I wonder.

37:18 Though if it was that or just purely, I mean, knowing people

37:22 of yeah, people of that ilk though tend to just wear hats

37:26 all the time too. Yeah, I think there's obviously

37:28 an element of that. If you're in the Outback, you

37:30 need to be wearing a. Hat.

37:31 Wear a hat. Like, Yeah.

37:32 But I think he was quite self-conscious.

37:34 Self-conscious of that, Yeah, I think.

37:36 So, so not only was he ordered and meticulous in with his

37:40 possessions and that kind of thing, he was also very ordered,

37:43 in particular in the way he carried out his daily routine.

37:46 Yes, every morning he would walk his dog down Rubbish Dump Rd.

37:51 And rubbish dump Rd. Yeah I know because where does

37:52 it go the. Rubbish dump.

37:55 And that's the only other Rd. in Larimer.

37:57 Yeah, literally. He'd circle back home.

38:00 He would then ride his quad bike to the hotel with Kelly on the

38:03 back. Yeah, he worked until around

38:05 midday most days. So working by cleaning, you

38:09 know, reorganizing, changing the linen at the hotel.

38:12 There'd be that many people stay in there.

38:14 Well, it was enough. It was only enough to keep him

38:16 busy for an hour or two, so probably not.

38:19 The gardening, But. And then it was beer o'clock.

38:22 Yep. So around midday he would he

38:26 would go to have some beers at the hotel and he would then stay

38:32 until like 435 o'clock most days and go away.

38:34 So every single day at around midday he would withdraw $40

38:40 from like the eftpos machine at at the pub.

38:44 Yep, he would spend his first $20 on 4 beers.

38:48 So 5 bucks a beer right? Yep, he had a little fridge at

38:52 the front of the Larimer Hotel so he'd buy his 444X.

38:57 Cans. Yep.

38:58 He 4X gold. He'd put the beers in the fridge

39:02 at the front of the pub. He would sit in the same seat,

39:05 crack his coldies. Crack his tinny.

39:08 Crack his tinnies, have them, have the four beers, Then he'd

39:11 go inside, pay the next $20 that he'd already withdrawn, get

39:16 another 4. And that's how he lived his life

39:19 every fucking day. Now that's 8 beers a day.

39:24 Yeah, right. I've got the calculations here.

39:28 So it was something like 14. Oh, here we go, $14,600 a year

39:32 just on the 8 beers a day. Yeah, right.

39:35 Yeah, that's a lot of beer. Probably talking to the wrong

39:40 person about this shit. Yeah, yeah.

39:42 It's a lot of beer. Yeah.

39:44 And he I think you're right when you say he pickled himself

39:47 because he didn't. It's very consistent.

39:49 Well, very consistent drinking though.

39:52 Like he would have probably, like his body would have become

39:56 very accustomed to that. Yeah.

39:59 Yeah. I mean it's it is technically

40:01 binge drinking. But at the same time, for him

40:04 definition, yeah. You know, like for him, that was

40:06 his body standard. Yeah.

40:08 So it's interesting on a scientific, scientific

40:11 perspective of what the body can do in accommodate 200% of like

40:15 that. It probably didn't.

40:17 I mean, if I walked into a pub today and drank 8 beers, I'd be

40:21 should face Yeah. But he I could imagine him

40:25 sitting there over that period of time drinking those 8 beers

40:29 and probably appearing to be no more.

40:31 Well, it depends, Yeah. It depends who you talk to.

40:35 Yeah. And look, I'm, I'm not saying

40:36 that he only had eight beers every day.

40:38 He had a minimum of 8 beers. Every Yeah, I'm gonna.

40:40 I was gonna say if there's particular people have arrived

40:42 at the pub and he's on for a chat, he probably did stay

40:45 longer. And had more.

40:47 And people said that, you know, there were actually 2, two

40:50 different accounts of this. And I think it really depended

40:52 on who gave the account. Yeah.

40:54 But some people said that as he got more inebriated, yeah, he

40:59 became really jovial and yeah, you know, very.

41:02 Chatty. Very chatty and like a little

41:04 bit obnoxious. Maybe it's.

41:05 Definitely a word, yeah. And.

41:06 Then other people said that like he could get nasty and like

41:10 really fixated on things and really like drilled down into

41:14 people, which was never well received.

41:17 So you know. He felt like he I know people in

41:21 my life that, you know, can do this, that they get very, I just

41:25 say fixated on something. And he would, to the NTH degree,

41:28 defend. Yeah.

41:30 That person or whatever or his action or, you know, so that and

41:34 that can be really draining on other people around when they

41:38 can't see another perspective on something, no matter what you

41:40 tell them. Yeah.

41:42 And when you've been drinking that much, yeah, I can imagine

41:45 him just being very like, blinded to this is my point.

41:49 Yes, yes, definitely. So look in a town.

41:53 So my dad comes from a very, very small hamlet.

41:57 It's not even a town. Yeah, in northern Victoria, and

42:02 everyone knows everyone's business, there were slightly

42:07 more people than in Larimer, but not that many more.

42:10 But I remember as kids we would drive into the town and my

42:14 grandparents would know that we were there.

42:17 Yeah, before you'd even before we'd.

42:18 Even got there because, you know, nothing happens in that

42:21 town with everyone being on the phone and, well, you know, Lynn

42:24 and Russell and the kids are here and yeah, you know that

42:27 it's just crazy because honestly, they don't really have

42:30 a lot else to. Do no, no.

42:32 But they're all sitting out on their porches, probably drinking

42:35 a beer, and they know the car because they know everything

42:39 about everyone. Everything.

42:40 Yeah. And yeah.

42:41 It's. It's So, you know, I think in

42:44 situations like that when you're living in each other's pockets

42:47 and absolutely that was the case.

42:48 Oh yeah, conflicts are gonna occur.

42:51 God, yeah. I mean, when you're not getting

42:53 variety, that's all you're getting.

42:56 Every day the same. 12 inch people.

42:58 And it's probably the same stories being told every day.

43:01 That's it. Because he's having that many

43:02 beers, he's not actually understanding that.

43:03 We talked about this yesterday. Yeah, yeah.

43:06 There's enough there that the memory is probably going.

43:08 Oh yeah. We're gonna get now to the day

43:11 of Paddy's disappearance, and then we're gonna introduce all

43:14 the cast of characters after we explain what happened to Paddy,

43:17 because I think what happened to Patty, Knowing then the cast of

43:21 characters will give it a bit of context.

43:23 And I'm totally really curious to see, I'm so curious to see

43:26 what you think about. Same.

43:28 Oh, God. OK, so Saturday the 16th of

43:30 December, 2017. Yeah.

43:33 Patty followed his normal routine, of course.

43:36 He's taken Kelly for a walk in the morning at 9:00 AM.

43:38 He's ridden his quad bike to the hotel and clean the toilets and

43:42 showers there. I don't believe anyone had been

43:44 staying at the hotel that night. No.

43:46 So he just did a a general tidy up because people would still

43:49 use the loos, obviously. Yeah.

43:51 He then went to the bar at 2:29 PM.

43:55 He withdrew his 40 bucks, Yeah. And he also made an EFTPOS

43:59 transaction to buy the first round of beers that day and

44:04 obviously went through, put his beers outside and went and sat

44:07 down. Now on this particular day,

44:11 there was a family who were travelling through Larimar who

44:15 stopped for a quick drink and at the pub and they, they had young

44:19 kids and they wanted to show their young kids the zoo.

44:21 Imagine being like to our kids, Oh yeah, guys, we're going to

44:24 stop at the zoo. And then they're like, oh God,

44:27 it's like literally 2 crocodiles and 700 birds.

44:31 What kind of a shit zoo is this? So, and the mum took a photo of

44:37 the pub and you can see, I think, that this photo was taken

44:40 at about 4:00 in the afternoon. And you can see Paddy sitting in

44:44 his normal chair. And, you know, everything was as

44:48 it always is. Yeah.

44:49 OK. Yeah, as it became dusk, Patty

44:53 and Kelly hop on the quad bike and.

44:55 That family did also give them, oh, sorry, absolutely chicken

44:59 that was leftover from their lunch to give to the dog.

45:01 So because obviously, I mean, I reckon Kelly would be pretty,

45:04 you know, families that did stop, they love seeing her and

45:06 probably, you know, kids having a pat, whatever.

45:08 But they've said, you know, we've got some leftover chicken

45:09 from lunch, you know, do you wanna take it for the dog to

45:11 give to the dog food? And which Patty was like, oh, my

45:13 God, Kelly will love that. So he's taking that with him as

45:16 well when he's left the pub that night, too, to pop into Kelly's

45:19 dinner for the night, too. So.

45:20 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

45:22 That's that becomes. A little bit.

45:24 Oh, it's, it's a meaningful part of the story.

45:26 Yeah, yeah. So he's gone home, roast chicken

45:30 in hand. Yeah.

45:31 And he actually said to the pub owner, Barry Sharp, that he

45:35 wouldn't be in the following day.

45:36 So the following day was Sunday. And I because they had nobody

45:39 staying that night, I think there was no need for him to be

45:41 and. He also wanted to borrow the

45:42 lawn mower from Barry. Yeah.

45:44 So I think at the time Paddy's Paddy had a ride on lawn mower

45:49 and it was in getting serviced at the mechanic, which is what

45:55 were their names the the younger people.

45:57 Oh. The the younger.

45:59 People, the younger people who aren't actually younger.

46:01 That's Mark and Karen. Thank you.

46:03 So Mark and Karen owned the the mechanic.

46:07 So. Yeah, there his lawnmower was

46:09 getting service repaired there. Yeah.

46:11 And so he needed to borrow Barry's.

46:13 I know, I know, right? Were they in their 50s?

46:16 Oh, and then so he wanted to borrow Barry's lawn mower so he

46:22 could tidy his lawn. That the next.

46:24 Day. Yeah.

46:26 So he was gonna come back to Barry in the morning and get a

46:28 lawn mower for him. That's right.

46:29 At about 10:30 that night there was a huge dumping of rain and

46:33 but it had cleared by the morning.

46:35 Oh yeah, yeah. Patty wasn't seen on the Sunday,

46:38 nor was he seen on the Monday. Very unusual.

46:42 But on the Sunday, Barry had come to his, He'd come over to

46:47 see Patty because he hadn't arrived to get the lawn mower.

46:50 So Barry arrived and no, no, no one locked their houses in this

46:55 area. So he went to the door and no

46:58 ants out, but went in and noticed that, yeah, he noticed

47:01 what was still in. In there was Patty's hat.

47:05 There was his wallet. And it's all normal spot.

47:10 And he saw there was food out for Kelly, but there was no sign

47:13 of Patty or Kelly. Food out for like it looked

47:16 like. He started to prepare dinner for

47:18 himself. As well, Yeah.

47:19 So what was also there was in the microwave, which he probably

47:22 would have seen this yet, but in the microwave was the chicken

47:25 that he'd been given to give to Kelly as well.

47:27 So that was the scene that he walked into on that morning,

47:31 sort of going like, where's Patty?

47:32 You meant to come get my lawn mower and you haven't come.

47:34 So he did think that was a bit very odd.

47:36 And he did look around. He did go for a wander all

47:39 around sort of the property and certain look around, but no sign

47:41 of Patty whatsoever. I believe he also got in his car

47:44 and drove down old. To the the dump.

47:45 I don't know if he did that on the Sunday or the Monday, but I.

47:48 Think that was on the Monday. Monday, yeah.

47:50 So he did over the course of that time, look for Patty

47:54 because, I mean, something that needs to be considered in all of

47:56 this, in this area, the heat and the weather is extreme.

48:01 Yeah. So if you go off for a walk

48:03 somewhere and he's had a bit of a medical episode or something,

48:06 no one's going to hear you or anything.

48:07 But also very quickly. Yeah.

48:10 Where very quickly you become, like, lost and disorientated.

48:15 Yeah. With the heat as well as just

48:17 the area itself being everything looks the same.

48:20 You can't even imagine, like, how how disorientated you can

48:23 get very quickly out in that area.

48:25 For sure. Even living there, you would

48:27 very much go off a path somewhere, you know, in an

48:29 disorientated state, and you're even more disorientated like.

48:32 So the police were saying, like, this is going a little bit

48:35 ahead, but they were saying that even just veering 20 metres off

48:39 the path, yeah, could potentially disorient you enough

48:42 that you would then not be able to find your way back.

48:44 Like 20 metres. You think I can see 20 metres

48:47 down the road. But no, no, this just goes to

48:49 show how easy it is. Yeah, how easy it would be to

48:52 get lost. That's it.

48:53 So that's why it was always, you always stick to paths.

48:55 You do not veer off paths. Yeah, when you're out in that

48:58 that kind of kind of area, yeah. But the the thought of him

49:02 having a little bit of a somewhat medical episode and

49:04 veering off that path, he could get lost very, very quickly.

49:08 So, yeah, that's sort of what Barry was sort of kind of going.

49:12 I better check for him on his regular where he's just a

49:15 because he could potentially see him 2050 meters away off of the

49:18 path that Barry a bit. I'm sorry, Patty wouldn't be

49:21 able to see back to see where the path is, correct, to

49:23 orientate himself, correct. So that was where he was kind of

49:26 going. I'll go out and look, but no

49:27 sign of either Kelly or Patty. But it did take three days for

49:34 Barry to then alert authorities that Patty was missing.

49:39 So I find that a little bit interesting.

49:41 I do too. I think there were reasons for

49:45 that. I think he didn't want to panic

49:48 and think something had happened.

49:50 I guess we should also say though, in terms of alerting

49:52 authorities, there was no one in town.

49:55 Oh no, in there wasn't a police station or a police officer

49:58 assigned to visit regularly even like no.

50:01 So although, although they did. Police officer in Mataranka,

50:04 Yes, did. I mean, I think Larimer fell

50:07 under his. Jurisdiction.

50:08 Yeah, absolutely. That's you're.

50:09 Not doing a patrol there every. Day they don't come unless

50:11 they're called. That's right kind of thing.

50:13 So, and it's not like you kind of go, oh look, I'm going to

50:16 Mataranka this afternoon. While I'm there, I'll pop into

50:19 the police station and mention it.

50:21 If you weren't going there, it was out of your way.

50:23 Yeah, you know, it's considerably.

50:25 So and yeah, mobile phone service, no, nothing like yeah,

50:30 I can understand a little bit of it being in that area.

50:34 I would consider it to be this is really highly unusual and

50:37 there's something wrong here. I just.

50:38 Think when they first realized that he wasn't there and Kelly

50:41 wasn't there and they could. And then maybe, I don't know,

50:43 maybe wait the day and see what happened.

50:45 I can. Maybe I can.

50:46 Maybe come at that, but three? Days, yeah, because he didn't

50:49 report him missing until the Tuesday was.

50:51 Yeah, it was the. Tuesday, so on Monday evening is

50:55 when Karen and Mark, who we we discussed before, that's when

51:00 Barry told them that he hadn't seen, seen Paddy.

51:03 And yeah, and they found out for the first time Now, they were

51:06 quite good friends with Paddy. And they're like, Oh yeah, we

51:09 haven't seen him, which is really sort of unusual.

51:12 If he wasn't sitting on that patio in that chair of the pub,

51:15 you'd be like, where the fuck's Paddy?

51:17 Yeah. Yeah, they then decided to have

51:20 a look for themselves on very early on Tuesday morning.

51:23 Yeah. So they went to Paddy's

51:24 property. What they found was that the

51:26 rain gauge had not been emptied. And Paddy always, always emptied

51:31 his rain gauge. Yeah.

51:32 And it hadn't rained since that Saturday night.

51:34 Any downpour after the downpour, he would empty his rain gauge.

51:38 Yeah, he would. He like.

51:39 It was one of his very strict routines every day.

51:43 They found his sunglasses hanging from his quad bike and

51:46 the quad bike was under the carport next to his 4 wheel

51:48 drive. Parked absolutely perfectly, as

51:51 he would always do. Yep.

51:52 Yep, Now he wouldn't. Aside from the walk that he did

51:55 in the morning with Kelly down Old Dump Rd.

51:58 Yep, he would never walk anywhere.

52:00 He'd always take his quad bike. Yeah, and if he was leaving

52:02 Larimer to go to Mataranka or to go to Catherine or whatever, he

52:06 would always tell someone. He would never go.

52:09 And he would let anyone know take his 4 wheel drive.

52:11 And park there as well. Exactly.

52:12 And then and he would take his 4 wheel drive.

52:14 So the fact that both of his modes of transport were at home

52:18 highly. Suspicious and parked how he

52:20 would park. Them.

52:20 Yes. Yeah, good point.

52:22 That's a really good point. Now the back door was unlocked.

52:27 If Patty was leaving Larimer for any time he would he couldn't

52:32 actually lock one of the doors. He'd actually put up a a mat and

52:35 a balsa would not balsa would like a besa block to to block

52:40 the door from being. That would be more so for

52:42 wildlife. Yeah.

52:43 To get in, I'll say that, than than anything else.

52:46 Yeah. Yeah.

52:46 So. But that wasn't the case.

52:49 Yeah, his kitchen fan was on. Yeah.

52:52 His usual cap and cowboy were in the house, which we which we've

52:56 already spoken about. Yeah.

52:57 His medication, which again, he was incredibly diligent in

53:00 taking every single day. It was still in the

53:03 refrigerator. Yep, the food containers on the

53:05 table looked like he was about to prepare a meal.

53:08 Food in the dog bowl. So food in the dog bowl, Yeah,

53:10 that one gets me a lot because what dog leaves that exactly?

53:14 Yeah. The and the dog bowl was on the

53:17 floor like it was ready to go. Could have been eating it.

53:19 Yes there was a pedestal fan that was on pointing to the maid

53:24 bed. Hmm.

53:25 Again, odd. Getting ready for bedtime, like,

53:28 you know, that's yeah, preparing that, getting yourself the

53:31 night. Supported and then the other

53:32 thing was his the gate to his property was open and he'd he

53:37 would close it every single night because he didn't want

53:39 feral donkeys in his property. Don't.

53:41 Even sign the feral donkeys. I wanna know what a feral donkey

53:43 looks like and what that bit they behave like because OK, so

53:46 cute. Oh no, a feral donkey is not

53:49 cute. And apparently there were

53:51 thousands of. Them.

53:52 Yeah, like that was the biggest thing they had to worry about

53:54 was feral donkeys. I just cute.

53:55 That cracked me up. Feral donkeys.

53:57 Oh my God, I love it. Karen and Mark were really

54:01 concerned that he might have had a medical episode or he's gotten

54:04 himself like really drunk that night and gone off walking or

54:07 something. They didn't really know.

54:09 They searched for about 3 hours and then they're like, well,

54:12 we've, we've done. We've looked everywhere that we

54:14 would think that he could possibly be.

54:16 Yeah. They even went to the dump to

54:18 see if, like, he'd fallen in or something like that.

54:21 But no, yeah, there was no sign of him at all.

54:23 Yeah. So they went to the hotel and

54:25 asked Barry to call the police. Yeah.

54:27 This happened at 4:00 on Tuesday the 19th.

54:30 The last time he was seen was like about 435 o'clock on the

54:34 Saturday. That's a long.

54:36 Time it is really is, I think, you know, particularly I mean

54:39 out in that kind of area, I mean that that's the difference

54:41 between finding a live person who needs medical attention,

54:44 say, and a very much a dead person.

54:46 Agreed. Yeah, police arrived on

54:48 Wednesday afternoon and started searching.

54:51 They found the BBQ chicken in the microwave, as you said.

54:54 So that, again, that's really odd.

54:56 Yeah. And anyway, a search team ended

54:59 up being sent out from Darwin, which is 500 kilometers away, so

55:03 like 5-6 hour drive. I gotta love the the the head of

55:07 the the search, though, from Mataranka, the guy there.

55:10 Oh God, he I just loved him. Yeah, he's an ex principal and I

55:13 love the way you. Just go shoot Hazard.

55:15 Wasn't kind of really cut out for it.

55:16 Yeah. But he's.

55:17 He's such a principal. So many ways I could actually

55:19 see him being a great teacher. I'm gonna be a brilliant

55:21 teacher. Yeah.

55:22 He just had a really great personality about him, you know,

55:25 like that he would just, I don't know, reach kids.

55:27 Yeah, but he. But he's like kind of gone

55:29 teaching wasn't really my thing, but I still do it a bit here and

55:31 there. I love.

55:32 It. But he was, he headed up like

55:34 the the search and rescue and like he was just really

55:37 interesting how he felt like when they got to the town though

55:40 to do this search, there was a real vibe of the local people.

55:46 Even though he was from Mataranka, let alone the people

55:49 coming from Darwin, there was very much these outsiders coming

55:52 in and they didn't really want to.

55:55 Open up to them at all. They did and.

55:57 He said you go to these search and rescue things, people and

56:00 the people from the local town get involved and help.

56:02 Look, they shut shop. Like they literally.

56:05 Buy food. They, yeah, they really support

56:07 the people who've got to help out.

56:09 They were like, oh, these strangers are here and they shut

56:12 down completely. Yeah, it was a really

56:14 interesting take on that and the people that live in Larimer.

56:18 Agreed. Yeah, it's just, it's a very

56:20 interesting way to behave. Absolutely.

56:22 In this circumstance, yeah. The police, when they arrived

56:26 from Darwin, the so the special search team that arrived, their

56:32 initial thought was that Patty had been taking Kelly for a walk

56:36 and had and had had a medical episode.

56:38 Yeah. And then became disoriented and

56:41 lost. They used helicopters,

56:44 motorbikes. There were apparently a couple

56:45 of World War 2 bunkers in the area that they served.

56:48 Originally it was a fairly, you know, popular and very well used

56:52 for the, for the army during the war and things.

56:54 That's it, yeah. Exactly.

56:56 But no evidence of him or Kelly was found, No.

57:00 So the next thing, I guess, given the weather conditions and

57:05 the fact that so much time had passed on the 23rd of December,

57:10 I think it was they decided to stop the search because they've

57:16 been looking and they hadn't found anything and the like.

57:18 The likelihood at this stage was that he would be deceased, yes,

57:21 and that they'd be just looking for remains.

57:25 There's no way he would have been able to survive out there

57:27 without shelter for water for that amount of time.

57:31 Yeah. So the police continued sort of

57:36 doing some investigations because things didn't feel all

57:38 that great when they were in Larimer looking around.

57:42 And on the 28th of December, they conducted an evidence

57:46 search that lasted for a couple of days.

57:48 So this is where they're starting to think maybe there

57:51 was some criminal activity involved and we need to actually

57:53 figure out what's happened. The reason for that was because

57:56 of what the way that Patty's house was found.

58:00 Yeah, but also the fact that on the, I think it was actually

58:03 Christmas Day on the 25th of December, they'd conducted

58:06 interviews of all 11 or 12 residents of Larimer as well.

58:12 So from those interviews, that and that so that led to them and

58:16 also the fact of what what evidence they did have of when

58:19 Patty Last was in his house. That's yeah, they've decided we

58:23 need further. Yeah.

58:25 Investigation here. But nothing really came of that.

58:28 They, they did look in, well not really nothing of note really

58:32 came of it. I mean, obviously the we will

58:36 get to some, but the feuds and stuff came out.

58:38 But in terms of evidence of what happened to Paddy, there wasn't

58:41 any, no, no. So they actually then came back

58:45 in May of 2018 to do another evidence search just based on

58:51 some of the interviews and other things that had come to the

58:53 fore, which we'll get to in one SEC.

58:55 Yeah. But now they're at that point,

58:58 they were really starting to think that foul play was

59:01 involved just based on all of the evidence that they they'd

59:04 gotten to at that point. Yeah.

59:05 Detective Sergeant Matt Allen headed this this investigation,

59:09 and he's in the documentary of I just think he's a cop.

59:13 Yeah, but he's a cop, but he's also small town cop.

59:16 Yeah, yeah. Just crack me up.

59:18 I. Just love it.

59:19 The laid back attitude and the and then but then even when you

59:23 get the Darwin cops that come into it, who are sort of, you

59:25 know, the from the big smoke kind of stuff, they're still

59:28 even a little bit like, I don't know, laid.

59:30 Back green. Yeah, Laid.

59:32 Back. Yeah, very laid back.

59:34 Nothing's a hurry. And I love the way that there

59:36 was times where like they'd obviously had questions from

59:38 like producers in the documentary where they kind of

59:40 went, how am I going to answer that?

59:42 Like whereas Melbourne seasons cop would be like Bang Bang bang

59:48 talking. About that girl.

59:49 And she's like, they ask her a question and she goes and she's

59:52 like, there's silence for a good, like, 30 seconds.

59:57 And then she's like, we're just trying to figure out how to

1:00:00 answer that. Yeah.

1:00:01 And then then we don't get an answer anyway.

1:00:04 Wait, let's go through the cast of characters of Lara.

1:00:07 So we obviously already know about Patty.

1:00:10 Yeah. Fran first.

1:00:12 Let's do Fran. Let's do Fran.

1:00:13 OK, so Fran is the local shop owner.

1:00:17 Who or cafe owner? Cafe.

1:00:20 Sorry. Well.

1:00:21 Yeah, I guess so. She calls it Fran's Cafe.

1:00:23 Doesn't. She Oh yes, let's just call it

1:00:25 Fran Fran's tea. Yeah, sorry, because she does do

1:00:27 a Devonshire tea as well. As Yep, imagine the cuddling

1:00:30 cream in that heat. I don't know why, but just I

1:00:35 just have a real vibe and sorry Fran, I just have a real vibe of

1:00:40 like unfresh. Do you know what I mean?

1:00:44 Like oh, totally. You know what I would eat from

1:00:48 there? A deep fried Parma, No.

1:00:52 Can you imagine how many times that same oil has been?

1:00:54 Used. Oh yeah, actually.

1:00:57 OK, I would open a forex, but would I?

1:00:59 No, probably not. Are you wiped down the road?

1:01:04 Yeah. OK.

1:01:06 Oh, yeah. OK.

1:01:06 So awful. She is a central figure in this,

1:01:10 in this whole saga because she and Patty had a blood feud.

1:01:15 Like, Yeah, honestly, they were so.

1:01:17 The point of this, what I reckon broke up her marriage.

1:01:19 Yeah, like so in the same town is her ex-husband, Billy.

1:01:25 Billy, you just just my beautiful, but you could break

1:01:28 him with you. Oh yeah, but he was very sick.

1:01:30 Very. Unwell.

1:01:31 He had cancer, Yeah, yes. Many of them had cancer.

1:01:35 Yes, I know. Yeah.

1:01:37 And all different kinds. All different kinds of cancer.

1:01:39 Kinds. I was like, there's probably

1:01:40 something in that, I don't know. Anyway, another day.

1:01:44 But yeah. So her ex-husband lived in the

1:01:45 town Billy, and for their marriage they've been together

1:01:48 for a long time. Years when they got.

1:01:51 Yeah, so they were living it where Fran's tea house was and

1:01:55 on the same property, all that sort of stuff, and with Patty

1:01:57 across the road. And when this feud started with

1:02:00 Patty, Billy kind of didn't do anything to defend Fran.

1:02:05 Like a typical, I think in some ways Australian bloke.

1:02:08 And I called it, I say the word bloke very, you know, Yeah.

1:02:11 Pointedly. Pointedly, Yeah.

1:02:13 Particular men. Not all men.

1:02:16 Yeah. Typical Aussie old school, real

1:02:19 old school that like, you know, oh, just don't let stuff bother

1:02:21 you. Yeah, that's right.

1:02:22 Just let it run. Even though he's been a total

1:02:24 prick, he just was like, oh, you know, that's just Patty.

1:02:27 But he was friends with Patty too.

1:02:29 He's got a you've like and Billy seemed like a very seems like a

1:02:33 very nice man. Yes, very easy going unfluckable

1:02:37 just to. Let things roll over you.

1:02:40 Yeah, So. Because because he didn't defend

1:02:42 Fran, she like packed all his stuff up and shipped him out and

1:02:46 pissed him off, which I love how then he just he lives down the

1:02:49 road and like, so he could see her just to annoy her.

1:02:52 Yeah, it's. Like I wasn't gonna move away,

1:02:54 No. Why don't you do that When I can

1:02:56 annoy her by sitting and looking at her every day.

1:02:58 Literally, I just. Oh, it's funny.

1:03:00 God. Still in love with it?

1:03:02 What? Yeah, Fran owned that, that tea

1:03:05 house for 35 years. Yeah.

1:03:08 And she actually met Patty when he lived in Daily Waters.

1:03:12 They. Yeah, would go down there.

1:03:14 There's a pub there. So that was another place they

1:03:16 weren't members of Members of the communities around would go

1:03:21 and go to the watering hole. Yes.

1:03:23 So they met about 30 years before.

1:03:25 So Patty and Fran and Billy met about 30 years before Patty

1:03:29 disappeared. They were on good terms with

1:03:33 Patty when he first bought the top of the town disuse service

1:03:37 station to learn like they were quite friendly.

1:03:40 Yeah, but things soon deteriorated and Patty wasn't

1:03:43 allowed to go to Fran's tea house anymore.

1:03:48 But he said she's like, he put up signs saying that you know,

1:03:51 the best pubs, but the best pies were at the pub, right?

1:03:53 And she's like, how would he know?

1:03:55 I would never let him eat one of mine.

1:03:57 It's probably like Lucky Patty for not having to, you know,

1:04:00 injure her pies. And and So what he wrote was

1:04:03 best $6 pies in town at the Larimer pub and put the sign in

1:04:07 his property. Yeah, which was road, right

1:04:09 opposite, right opposite. So people would come in and be

1:04:12 like, oh, maybe I'll go to the pub for a for a pie.

1:04:15 And that really pissed Fran off. Oh, well, that was just part of

1:04:18 it. Understand why that would.

1:04:19 I mean, it's their business, it's their livelihood.

1:04:21 Because she genuinely out of this town, I guess, you know,

1:04:25 and the pub in this same vein, like that's the only way they

1:04:28 can make money. Yeah, like what else are they

1:04:30 going to do to make money? Well, the mechanic.

1:04:34 But even then, like how many times does a car breakdown in

1:04:36 the in the area? Yeah, I think they got people

1:04:39 from other towns as well, like they were the mechanic of the

1:04:42 area. It's not like they would just be

1:04:44 in the. Area.

1:04:44 What, you mean 76 KOA? Are you towing a car from

1:04:48 Mataranka? Yeah.

1:04:49 Really. Yeah.

1:04:50 Jesus and like farming machinery and that kind of thing.

1:04:53 Because the other thing is they would have a transient

1:04:56 population of like, you know, Rd. workers and that kind of

1:04:59 stuff come through. And they would help, you know,

1:05:01 service those kinds of vehicles as well so that there was some

1:05:04 money to be made. And I can't imagine it wouldn't

1:05:06 have been expensive to live in Larimer.

1:05:08 Oh well this is it, 30,000 bucks to buy to.

1:05:10 Buy. In fairly decent sized land kind

1:05:13 of property. Yeah.

1:05:14 And then what would your expenses be?

1:05:16 Food. That's it.

1:05:17 That's it. There's nothing else to do

1:05:18 there. Beer.

1:05:19 Beer. Food.

1:05:21 That's it. Electricity bill.

1:05:24 Water bill. Yeah, I guess.

1:05:25 Oh. No, probably water would be on

1:05:27 tank. Yeah, yeah, it'd be tank water.

1:05:30 Yeah, that'd be yeah, like rich baby Bill.

1:05:32 Like, I don't know. No.

1:05:33 I don't actually know, but no, they would have had septic

1:05:35 tanks. Yeah.

1:05:36 So no, they wouldn't be. No, they wouldn't be.

1:05:38 So anyway, yeah. OK.

1:05:40 So he also, the other thing around this time that Paddy did

1:05:44 that really pissed Fran off, was he kind of roped off his

1:05:48 property so that her customers couldn't like park near the tea

1:05:53 house. Which it it wasn't his land even

1:05:56 there was next to his property like it was turned out it was

1:05:59 crown land, right? So he was roping it off so they

1:06:02 couldn't park on public property basically.

1:06:05 So there's no issue with them parking there.

1:06:08 But Patty, just, just, just just.

1:06:09 A part of it off, but in doing So what that meant was people

1:06:12 were then drawn down the road to the pub because where you could

1:06:16 park, yeah, you couldn't park up near France otherwise.

1:06:19 Oh fucking hell. So total shit, Starer.

1:06:23 Oh, total shit. Oh, he was.

1:06:24 He wasn't like he was described in in some of the documentary

1:06:29 and a few other things that I watched as well as like a bit of

1:06:31 an Aussie larrikin, but he was a fucking pain in the ass.

1:06:34 No larrikin, small doses like passing through the town right

1:06:39 love? What a what a top block.

1:06:40 You've got to pop in there because you'll see this bloke

1:06:42 there that, you know, tells a good yarn totally.

1:06:44 But then you get to move on and never see him again.

1:06:46 Yeah. You lived there with him day

1:06:47 after day after day. That's that's.

1:06:50 That's a pain in the ass. Yeah, totally.

1:06:53 He so at this. So by this time, Patty and

1:06:58 Billy, sorry, Fran and Billy had separated.

1:07:01 Yeah. And Fran thought that Patty and

1:07:04 Billy had teamed up. And there actually was some

1:07:06 evidence of this teamed up to just really get under her skin.

1:07:10 Yeah. She accused them of things like

1:07:12 cutting. She had.

1:07:13 This is so funny. She had CCTV cameras all around

1:07:16 her property in the tea house. She accused them of cutting the

1:07:20 wires. And Patty admitted to it at one

1:07:22 point. Yeah, So did Billy, I think.

1:07:23 Yes. And she, they also, she also

1:07:27 accused them of poisoning the plants.

1:07:29 She had quite a nice garden. Yeah, Oh, what?

1:07:32 What? You can get out that way.

1:07:33 Jesus. They yeah, that's just mean.

1:07:35 It's in the remote desert. But she actually did have quite

1:07:38 a nice little. Yeah, she did.

1:07:39 Little garden area but. Two days before Patty went

1:07:41 missing. Oh, this is awful.

1:07:44 This is This is. Actually, this is actually

1:07:45 awful, but he what he did and he did do it.

1:07:49 He dragged a an A dead kangaroo and threw it into her bedroom.

1:07:54 I think it was in her house. Oh I thought it was just beside

1:07:58 like onto her property. No, it was inside.

1:08:01 It was he went, he threw it indoors, 'cause I mean, no one

1:08:03 knocks the doors like, oh, that's true.

1:08:06 Indoors, Yeah. Which that's just so gross.

1:08:08 That's so, yeah, roadkill kind of stuff that he just, like,

1:08:10 threw into her house. They know he definitely did that

1:08:14 because there was she had CCTV. Yeah, 'cause she put up cameras,

1:08:17 yeah. Because once this sort of stuff

1:08:19 started happening, she did put up cameras.

1:08:20 And yeah, and obviously they've cut the whys of those and all

1:08:22 those sorts of things. But because she did, on a number

1:08:24 of occasions, call the police in Mataranka.

1:08:27 Yeah. And so they will.

1:08:28 The Mataranka police were very aware of this feud between them

1:08:32 because she would call them fairly consistently.

1:08:34 She in between 2010 and 2017, when he went missing, she made

1:08:42 nine formal complaints against Patty to the police.

1:08:45 Yeah, right. The first one, Fran believed

1:08:48 that Patty stole her $200 red umbrella from her front yard,

1:08:51 which is one of those like stick umbrellas.

1:08:53 Which is at the pub? Yep, but you can see it in the

1:08:56 footage. Yep, put it on the table at the

1:09:01 front of the pub, rubbing it in her face.

1:09:04 Yeah. So the second complaint was that

1:09:07 some books and memorabilia had been stolen from her tea house.

1:09:10 Now, I don't know how that that place was quite cluttered.

1:09:14 The tea house was quite cluttered.

1:09:16 Yeah, but she suspected that Patty took them.

1:09:19 He said that tourists must have taken them.

1:09:22 I. I bet he did.

1:09:26 Eventually she conceded, though, to that one.

1:09:28 She dropped the complaint on that one because she eventually

1:09:31 considered someone. Did she then go back and look at

1:09:33 CCTVI Don't know or found them? Yeah, I don't know.

1:09:35 OK, Then she. So the third complaint was that

1:09:40 she wanted something done because Patty won't stand out

1:09:45 the front of the tea house. And when tourists came into

1:09:48 Larimar, he would say to them, don't eat here, this is shit.

1:09:53 Don't eat here. Go down to the pub, don't keep

1:09:57 going, keep going. And so she said that that

1:10:01 interrupted her livelihood. Oh, that's right.

1:10:04 He'd be like, don't eat the food here.

1:10:06 It's crap that she did also say it's not safe to park your

1:10:12 vehicles here. You never know what's gonna

1:10:13 happen. Go and park their old donkey.

1:10:17 Apparently, if people did park anywhere, people who were going

1:10:20 to Fran's tea house did park anywhere near him.

1:10:22 This was, I think, before he'd started to cordon off the

1:10:25 property that wasn't even his. Yeah, he'd tell them to move

1:10:28 your fucking car. And like, people would get a bit

1:10:31 scared and, and move, move it or leave or whatever, and Fran

1:10:34 would miss out on business that way.

1:10:35 Then the fifth one was that Fran told police that she believed

1:10:41 Paddy had broken a plastic fitting on her hose that

1:10:43 connected it to a water pump and it actually it actually meant

1:10:48 that most of her water tank was drained.

1:10:50 Now that's a big deal, I suppose.

1:10:53 Yeah, you're not the police. The police just done that

1:10:56 though. Well.

1:10:56 The police actually came out to investigate this particular one

1:10:59 because there was possibly physical evidence.

1:11:01 Yeah, they found that the O-ring had just perished.

1:11:04 That would happen so easily and quite often out that way.

1:11:07 You'd have to replace them very regularly.

1:11:09 I mean the, I mean you're talking on the daily 40°

1:11:13 temperatures average probably. Totally.

1:11:16 Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of sun and a lot of hate on that.

1:11:19 Exactly. And rubber perishes.

1:11:21 In those conditions you want metal ones rather than plastic

1:11:24 the. Thing that she the thing that

1:11:28 blows my mind is that the first thing she did was call the

1:11:30 police about that not even go and have a look and go oh,

1:11:33 maybe. Maybe there's some other reason

1:11:35 to this, yeah? So I think that would have, that

1:11:37 would have pissed the police off as well.

1:11:40 Yeah. They've had to come out here and

1:11:41 investigate A perisher ring. That's annoying.

1:11:44 Yes. The next one was that Fran told

1:11:47 the police that Patty was in her yard with his dog at 9:45 PM in

1:11:50 the evening and that he'd been turning her open sign to closed.

1:11:56 So she'd turned flip it to open. He'd come flip it to closed,

1:11:59 flip it to open, flip it to closed.

1:12:00 Yeah, they the police actually did serve Patty with a

1:12:04 trespassing notice at this time because he'd already been told

1:12:07 he wasn't allowed on her property.

1:12:09 Yeah. The next complaint was that

1:12:12 friend told the police that Patty was stalking her.

1:12:15 Now How the fuck? In a town of 12 people, you

1:12:18 wouldn't be able to avoid someone necessarily.

1:12:21 Yeah, how do you prove stalking? Well, what not say he wasn't,

1:12:24 but like. Yeah.

1:12:24 Oh, he. No, he was he.

1:12:26 Walked out of his house. He was stalking it like you

1:12:28 know, but. He was actually sitting on his

1:12:29 front porch with binoculars. So this one didn't go to court.

1:12:37 The police told her it's a civil matter.

1:12:39 You need to kind of sort it out for yourself.

1:12:41 Yeah. So on the off the back of that,

1:12:43 Fran then made a personal violence restraining order,

1:12:46 tried to get one against Paddy. Yeah.

1:12:49 They took that to court. Yes.

1:12:51 And it was not no go, thrown out.

1:12:53 Thrown out. So Fran then had to pay the

1:12:55 court costs for both of them. Look, it sounds like he's, I

1:12:58 mean, he's been a Dick and he's been, as we said, like an.

1:13:02 But Fran's also being incredibly sensitive.

1:13:05 Absolutely. He knows he's getting out.

1:13:07 Yes, absolutely. So I mean, this is where with

1:13:09 grey rock, like grey is a real thing.

1:13:12 Grey rock that shit like don't let that get to you.

1:13:14 And he wouldn't have done it to her so much.

1:13:16 The fact that she would go to the police or all those things

1:13:18 is exactly why he kept doing. It 100%.

1:13:21 I mean, it's so hard in the moment.

1:13:23 I mean, yeah, boredom get what else is he doing out there?

1:13:26 I'll irritate Fran, I'm something to do everyday, which

1:13:28 is not excusing it. It's she behaviour entirely.

1:13:31 I'm not not saying that it's just ignore it.

1:13:34 Like, you know, that's, that's a crap, crap response.

1:13:37 I totally get that. But yeah, yeah, if she hadn't

1:13:39 reacted, yeah, I don't think he would have kept going.

1:13:42 I. Agree.

1:13:43 I fully agree. Yeah.

1:13:45 The last complaint that Fran made to the police prior to

1:13:48 Patty's disappearance was that she rang them and said that

1:13:51 Patty and Billy had tipped like cooking oil all over her plants

1:13:58 and because it's so hot it that all of her plants perish.

1:14:01 Yes, the police could not establish that either of those

1:14:04 two men were involved in that. So that just kind of got left by

1:14:08 the by. However, on the night of Patty's

1:14:11 disappearance, there was a whole new lot of plants and a new

1:14:15 watering system put in that night.

1:14:18 Interesting, isn't? It yeah, the timing of the.

1:14:20 Timing of that is very interesting, yeah.

1:14:23 So we're sort of now in September of 2017.

1:14:27 So this is a few months before Patty went missing and Fran was

1:14:32 looking for somebody like a groundskeeper, essentially

1:14:35 somebody to come and tend to a garden and in like in payment

1:14:40 for that she would provide them a room and bought like some

1:14:43 food, an accommodation in exchange for the work around

1:14:47 her. Property she also did put into

1:14:48 her AD a little bit of the factor, like this person could

1:14:50 act as a bit of a protector from the like a bit of security guard

1:14:53 for the property too. Yeah.

1:14:54 Because obviously that wasn't working, that she was making

1:14:57 complaints to the police and that in like being told things

1:15:00 like it's a civil medal, you sort of sorted out.

1:15:02 I think she was really looking for someone to else to be on the

1:15:04 property to keep an eye on things as well as herself

1:15:07 watching things going on. Yeah, so interesting that who

1:15:10 she then got. Yes.

1:15:12 So she put, well, that's right, She put an ad in the Catherine

1:15:15 Times newspaper. I think she ended up having to

1:15:16 put in three ads before anyone even responded.

1:15:19 Well, I mean, the whole part of this was like to come and move

1:15:21 to Lorimar. I mean, not there's not everyone

1:15:24 in the world who's like hanging to get there.

1:15:25 No, there's a. Certain type of person who

1:15:28 they're probably take that on. This is it.

1:15:30 And the person who ended up who ended up taking that position on

1:15:34 was a man by the name of Owen Laurie.

1:15:36 He started there on the 4th of September in 2017.

1:15:40 That's when he moved to Lorima. Yeah.

1:15:41 We'll get to him. Lorima Larima.

1:15:44 He we'll get to him a little bit later.

1:15:47 Yeah, yeah, let's come back to him.

1:15:49 OK, I need to just make a note of something that I just saw

1:15:52 then in my notes that I need to bring up later.

1:15:55 All right? Who do we want to do?

1:15:56 Next, that's Barry, the Republican.

1:15:57 Yeah, that's a good idea. Very sharp, yeah.

1:16:00 Yes, OK, He's an interesting character.

1:16:03 There's a whole lot with him that I just find a really

1:16:05 interesting. I I agree with you.

1:16:08 There's something that I just can't put my finger on that

1:16:12 unsettles me about him. Yeah.

1:16:15 Anyway, so he was the owner and publican of the Larimer Hotel.

1:16:20 And the zoo. And the zoo.

1:16:23 I think it all came part and parcel.

1:16:25 Yeah. Yeah, because I mean, yeah.

1:16:29 He had a long standing rivalry with Patty.

1:16:33 They did not see I. Know Barry and Patty were like

1:16:36 best mates. I thought they had.

1:16:37 I thought they weren't. No, this is where no like they

1:16:41 were supposedly best mates. Supposedly.

1:16:43 OK, very, very tired. I know, I know that.

1:16:47 Are you thinking of Richard or are you thinking of Barry?

1:16:50 So Richard was the bartender and Barry's the publican.

1:16:54 Who owned the place? Yeah.

1:16:55 So did Paddy have a good relationship with?

1:16:57 Him. They were like besties.

1:16:58 Oh, OK. Yeah, All right.

1:17:00 So, Richard? 'S a little more I'll see it

1:17:03 from everyone's perspective and a bit more fancy, but made of

1:17:07 Paddy's because it's kind of like the way I see it was there

1:17:10 was Fran and pretty much and her own and then there was the

1:17:15 people from the pub. Yeah, right.

1:17:17 But so then for with Fran, or I should say with Fran were two

1:17:21 other people on her sort of side, although again, probably a

1:17:25 little bit of more arguments there as well.

1:17:27 Was the couple that Carl and Bobby.

1:17:30 So there was kind of those three, yeah, on the out and then

1:17:33 there was everyone else and the pub people.

1:17:36 So Mark and Karen, Barry, Sarah and and Richard were all kind of

1:17:43 in together. Yeah, OK.

1:17:44 As the pub people. OK, yeah, so Barry had owned the

1:17:48 pub for about 14 years, but he'd lived in Larimer for about 27

1:17:52 years. Yeah, at this point.

1:17:54 And yeah, he would chat every day with Patty at the pub.

1:17:57 I just didn't think they got along that well anyway.

1:17:59 I think there was definitely underlying shit, like all of

1:18:01 them. There was all yeah, every one of

1:18:03 them. Even though like so Fran, Car,

1:18:06 Bobby and and Oh my God, Carl. Yep.

1:18:10 Even like, even though they were sort of on the same page when it

1:18:13 came to Paddy, they still had their own animosities between

1:18:16 them as well. Sure.

1:18:17 So yeah, I think similar with Barry.

1:18:19 Yeah, OK, Barry and Paddy were best mates, but yeah, he had his

1:18:23 issues. Yeah, but I, I know that Paddy

1:18:26 would still chat with Barry. Oh yeah.

1:18:29 And disclose things to him. Yes.

1:18:31 Especially not long before his disappearance.

1:18:34 Yeah. Had spoken about feuds or like

1:18:38 arguments with Fran's new caretaker or groundskeeper or

1:18:43 whatever you want to call him. Owen so.

1:18:46 Yeah, no, he would. He would tell him everything

1:18:48 like right? OK, well, that that that really

1:18:51 does check out then, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah.

1:18:53 Because it was also like, so Barry again, had, he had his own

1:18:57 enemies in the town because as much as he was the public and

1:19:00 you sort of think of that person in particular in town like that,

1:19:03 he'd be like the center of the world.

1:19:05 And the town sort. Of, well, owning the pub is like

1:19:07 the biggest thing that they have going.

1:19:09 But The thing is, he didn't own the pub originally when he moved

1:19:11 there. As we said, the person who owned

1:19:13 the pub prior was actually Carl and Bobby's daughter.

1:19:18 And he pretty much pushed her out to take over.

1:19:21 So there was then this animosity between them of how what went on

1:19:24 there, because there's a whole story with how when he got her

1:19:27 out of the pub, she took over like the resort over the road,

1:19:33 which she ran and and did up as nicely as you can in that area

1:19:38 and did some things with that. Yeah.

1:19:40 And so this is when the town was a little bit more booming sort

1:19:42 of early in that more sort of in the 90s.

1:19:44 Yes. And weirdly enough, that burned

1:19:47 to the ground. And something that was said was

1:19:52 that Patty was quite a bit of the pyromaniac.

1:19:55 Absolutely, he. Enjoyed lighting a fire just for

1:19:57 the fun of it. Yep.

1:19:58 He was known to start fires. Now if you think about lighting

1:20:01 a fire in the Outback, that. Is dangerous.

1:20:04 Oh, yeah. So Carl and Bobby, they were the

1:20:07 local fire, fire respondents or like emergency responders, they

1:20:13 were trained fire firies, they were trained a little bit in

1:20:16 first aid, all those sorts of things.

1:20:18 So if there was an issue, they with anything, they were the

1:20:20 ones who were like immediate first responders.

1:20:23 So weirdly enough, when that fire was lit their their

1:20:27 daughter's property, they were off in Catherine with the fire

1:20:31 truck or no, the fire truck with the keys to the fire truck.

1:20:33 Sorry, that's. Right.

1:20:33 So the fire truck was locked up. Like apparently they put a chain

1:20:37 through it just, I'm guessing as an extra level of security or

1:20:40 whatever. Yeah, they're the keys to it in

1:20:42 Catherine and the place is burnt to the ground while they're

1:20:46 away. Weirdly how it was lit at that

1:20:49 point and then the police have adamantly said it was arson but

1:20:53 they just can't prove who and how it was when about it.

1:20:57 But it was definitely us, and that caused the fire.

1:20:59 So what Barry says, Yeah. Is that the daughter did it.

1:21:02 The daughter did it because she wanted to claim insurance.

1:21:05 But she actually says in the documentary, she's like, I went

1:21:07 bankrupt over this. Yeah, this this ruined me.

1:21:10 Yeah. And she had to leave Larimer and

1:21:14 re establish herself, yeah, and move away from her mum and dad.

1:21:18 And her sister had already moved out of Larimer well before this

1:21:22 happened. But yeah, it's just like.

1:21:25 That doesn't make sense. It does.

1:21:26 She would have done it herself if she didn't, you know, make

1:21:28 1,000,000 bucks off of it burning to the ground.

1:21:30 That's right. Yeah, She didn't.

1:21:31 Yeah. Bankrupted it like it bankrupted

1:21:33 it. Yeah.

1:21:35 And looking watching her in the documentary, I find her

1:21:37 believable. Yeah, I told her it was

1:21:39 heartbreaking watching that. Like I thought so, yeah.

1:21:41 I mean out of all these people have found like Carl, Carl and

1:21:44 Bobby being like probably their most normal.

1:21:47 Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, agreed.

1:21:49 Yeah, definitely. So yeah, really interesting that

1:21:51 yeah, Barry. But they they sort of reckon

1:21:53 that yeah, Barry had something to do with it.

1:21:55 As much as I'm saying Paddy liked lying lighting fires

1:21:58 between the two of them, maybe, I don't know.

1:22:00 Maybe they conspired over a beer.

1:22:02 Perhaps. Maybe.

1:22:04 Or several. Yeah, I think it was a good

1:22:06 idea. At the time.

1:22:07 Bobby and Karl had lived in Laramie since 1998.

1:22:11 They lived there with their two daughters.

1:22:13 As we were saying, one of them left and the other 1 ended up,

1:22:17 you know, taking on the publican role.

1:22:19 And then and then the the. Motel.

1:22:23 The motel, he wrote. Resort.

1:22:24 Resort. There was a.

1:22:25 Board, there was a pool. Pool.

1:22:27 Yeah. So that's cool.

1:22:28 That's fine 'cause I have to say on the in the documentary they

1:22:30 show like photos of it and like sort of like advertising for it.

1:22:34 I love it how it's like, I think it's Karen in the photos and

1:22:36 you're like, is there anyone else in this town?

1:22:38 Like there's not really. No one you you've gotta be

1:22:41 everything in the town like that model.

1:22:44 She did. Well, I'm not.

1:22:45 No, no, no shade in that, that fact.

1:22:47 I was like, Oh my God, I know who it is.

1:22:49 It's in the photo. Yeah, exactly.

1:22:51 I love it. So funny.

1:22:52 Yeah. Yeah.

1:22:53 So she, so Diane was actually the one who sold Paddy the top

1:22:58 of the town servo. So she owned that for a while

1:23:01 too. Yes.

1:23:01 So it's all like everybody's intertwined and interlinked.

1:23:05 Yeah, it's crazy. So next with Karen and Mark

1:23:09 Rayna. Yes, Yep.

1:23:10 So they were the newest and youngest residents at the time,

1:23:14 time of the documentary anyway. And Karen was the bookkeeper for

1:23:19 the Larimer workshop, which her, she and her husband owned.

1:23:22 Yeah. Now this is the workshop that

1:23:23 serviced. They were mechanics.

1:23:25 They serviced all of the mechanical things in Larimer.

1:23:29 And then, you know, as we were describing before, of towns

1:23:32 surrounding it as well. Yeah.

1:23:36 So part of her role, part of Karen's role as well, was

1:23:42 looking after the animals at the zoo.

1:23:45 Hello. How'd they just pitch in with

1:23:46 everything you know? Yeah, I love that you'd have.

1:23:47 To wouldn't you? Yeah, you'd absolutely have to.

1:23:51 They bought the in two. They moved in there in 2015 and

1:23:56 they bought the mechanic business, which is what drew

1:24:00 them to Larimer and a house at the same time.

1:24:03 And again, dilapidated rundown. It's just I think they paid next

1:24:08 to nothing for that as well. Oh.

1:24:09 Yeah. They actually stopped going to

1:24:13 the Larimer Hotel whenever Richard the barman was there

1:24:16 because they did have a dispute with him, but they were still

1:24:19 friendly with Patty. So they would actually sit sort

1:24:21 of outside of the pub chatting with Barry, but wouldn't go

1:24:25 anywhere near Richard in the pub.

1:24:28 Like it's, you know, it'll be hard you can't avoid.

1:24:31 People, this is it. You can't.

1:24:32 No. I mean, there's only so many

1:24:34 people to talk to too, like Jesus.

1:24:37 You wouldn't want to alienate people because that reduces an

1:24:40 already very small pool to even being a bit smaller.

1:24:43 Yeah, but I mean, they put these two like really like they seem

1:24:46 to really like Paddy. Like they'll say like, you know,

1:24:48 Oh yeah, you know, Larrikin. But then you'll also hear an

1:24:51 undertone of like, Oh yeah, I can get why people didn't like

1:24:54 him. Yeah.

1:24:55 So that's really interesting. They all they all had are their

1:24:59 issues. I feel like in the documentary,

1:25:03 Karen and Mark really held back. I didn't feel like we were

1:25:06 getting the full story. No, I feel like they wanted to

1:25:09 portray a certain yes, not that they were trying to hide and

1:25:12 done something like I don't actually think out of all of

1:25:14 them. I think that no, I don't think

1:25:16 they killed him. Same.

1:25:17 But at the same time they weren't.

1:25:19 We don't wanna speak freely. Like, I was kind of like trying

1:25:22 to hold ranks a little bit of like, I'm just gonna keep that

1:25:24 information to myself, I think. And the producers asked them a

1:25:28 couple of questions and they're like, we've had thoughts, but

1:25:30 we're gonna keep them as just. Thoughts.

1:25:32 We'll see them. They might get another beer.

1:25:34 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like deflect, deflect.

1:25:38 Yeah. Next, we've got Billy.

1:25:42 Yeah, that's Fran's so. Yeah, Fran's ex-husband, his

1:25:46 nickname was Light Cans because he'd drink light beer.

1:25:49 I love it. I love it.

1:25:52 So after their divorce, as you said, he lived in a caravan at

1:25:56 the back of the Larimer Hotel. I could.

1:25:57 See Fran's property? Well, his old property like

1:26:00 that, he she wouldn't let him anywhere.

1:26:03 Near Yeah. He'd been in Larimer since 1983.

1:26:07 Amazing. Crazy.

1:26:08 Yeah, next we got Cookie. Barry Cook.

1:26:11 Yes, Barry Burke. Sorry.

1:26:13 Oh God. Barry Burke, I think his name

1:26:15 was Cook. So he was, was he, was he the

1:26:20 oldest resident at the? Time he was at the time.

1:26:22 Yeah, and he was known as being quite the gossip of the town.

1:26:26 Knew everything about everyone. I'm sure all of them knew

1:26:28 everything about everyone. Oh.

1:26:30 Absolutely. He lived alone but he he had a

1:26:32 partner and she lived in Tasmania.

1:26:34 Yes. Isn't that odd?

1:26:36 I know a lot, I just maybe that's the way you get it to

1:26:39 last. Live literally thousands of

1:26:44 kilometres away from one another.

1:26:45 You. Almost couldn't live far enough,

1:26:47 far apart. Almost within Australia.

1:26:49 Yeah, that's it. Oh.

1:26:50 Wow, Jesus. He said he first met Paddy at

1:26:54 the Daily Waters pub about and then about four or five years

1:26:58 before Paddy's disappearance, they had a fight.

1:27:02 So Cookie and and Paddy, how to fight because Paddy accused

1:27:08 Cookie of stealing a Mars bar from the hotel.

1:27:11 Cause on the counter of the hotel they've got like snacks

1:27:14 and like stuff like that. You know, it's like a little bit

1:27:16 of a general story as well. Was it and everything?

1:27:18 Oh, it was. It was the post office smacked.

1:27:20 Post offices as it would have to be in a place like that,

1:27:23 absolutely. So yeah, he accused Paddy,

1:27:27 accused Cookie of stealing a Mars bar like it was any of

1:27:30 Paddy's fucking business. Yeah, yeah.

1:27:31 But he would, he would make it that would make it that his

1:27:34 business, yeah. So Cookie from literally from

1:27:36 that point on, over a Mars bar, Cookie would only ever then go

1:27:40 to the hotel, yeah, to pick up his mail.

1:27:42 And when he knew Paddy wouldn't be there early in the morning,

1:27:45 wouldn't go, wouldn't go back. Why would you live somewhere

1:27:48 where you literally couldn't go to the one place that you would

1:27:50 go in that town like. Isolating What did he do all day

1:27:54 every. Day.

1:27:54 This is it. So when Barry was asked, you

1:28:00 know, if he had any involvement in Patty's disappearance, he

1:28:04 said, yeah, he's a bit of a shit stirrer, but I wouldn't have

1:28:07 thought it was enough for anyone to actually knock him off.

1:28:10 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's probably fair.

1:28:13 Yeah, his theory of what happened to Paddy was that he

1:28:17 might have gone to visit friends or just gone for a walk of his

1:28:20 with his dog and fallen into a sinkhole.

1:28:22 A. Sinkhole.

1:28:23 Yeah, I love that thought. Like out there, there might be

1:28:25 sinkholes. Yeah, yeah.

1:28:27 That was it, yeah. He had nothing further to add,

1:28:30 your Honour. Yeah, we've they've got Richard

1:28:33 Simpson, who we spoke about just before he was the bartender at

1:28:37 Barry's Pub. Yeah.

1:28:39 He said he never had a crossword with Patty, but then other

1:28:41 people in the town say that they did.

1:28:44 Yeah. Although, look, he said in his

1:28:48 sort of story, he did say that they'd sit and have a beer most

1:28:51 afternoons. And I think that I think.

1:28:53 They were the sort of bloke where, like he would say speak

1:28:56 his mind, but they wouldn't think of anything of it

1:28:59 afterwards. Yeah, and I actually found him

1:29:01 so. Incredibly intelligent same he

1:29:04 really he like was interesting. I really found him an

1:29:06 interesting. Person.

1:29:06 So too, yeah, he he had since moved out of Larimar, Yeah.

1:29:10 And he was then working as a like working as a Shearer.

1:29:13 Yeah, Shearer in WA in. WA So yeah, he'd already moved

1:29:17 away by the time the. Document he was quite filmed

1:29:19 transient person in that way I think he was someone who went

1:29:22 where the work was and like just you know almost more for the

1:29:25 story to live somewhere you know sort of stuff he's.

1:29:28 I think he was quite a loner and enjoyed his own company.

1:29:32 Yeah. And yeah, lived that kind of a

1:29:34 lifestyle. Yeah, yeah.

1:29:37 Then we've got Lenny Hodson. Oh, no.

1:29:39 So he was the oldest or the longest resident of Larima?

1:29:42 Yeah. Said he was good mates with

1:29:44 Patty. They'd have arguments, but then

1:29:45 they'd make up over a beer, so there was nothing.

1:29:47 Really to? Say there No, now we have Owen.

1:29:51 Yeah, it was David too, but you don't really hear anything of

1:29:55 him but. And everyone forgets about him.

1:29:56 Yeah. Poor old David.

1:29:58 David, David, he must live a real quiet life.

1:30:01 All I've written against David in my notes is yeah, Resident.

1:30:03 Yeah, that's why I've exactly written another resident.

1:30:08 So, yeah, David was there, yeah. I don't know what he thought or

1:30:11 whether, you know, I, I don't think there was any suspicion

1:30:14 that he was involved in anything.

1:30:15 He seemed to be someone who's very much on his own.

1:30:17 And kept himself, yes. Yep, then Owen.

1:30:20 All right, let's get into Owen. Owen Laurie.

1:30:23 So he was Fran Hodget's living gardener and caretaker.

1:30:28 So he lived in a separate little bungalow bungalow on her

1:30:32 property. He came to Larimer to meet Fran

1:30:36 when she put in the ad in the in the Catherine Times or whatever

1:30:39 it was, he says. So when he came to meet Fran, he

1:30:45 actually came with all his belongings because he intended.

1:30:48 To he met her and. He'd driven from Catherine or

1:30:53 beyond Catherine I think, so it was a it was a decent drive down

1:30:56 to Larimer for him. He when he met Fran, immediately

1:31:02 she started talking about her feud with Paddy and he said that

1:31:06 if he had known about that before he came down to Larimer,

1:31:11 he wouldn't have come. That's an interesting statement,

1:31:15 isn't it? It is.

1:31:18 I find that I think that's incredibly telling.

1:31:21 Yeah, yeah. So he ended up just staying

1:31:25 because he'd already come sort of prepared to take on this job

1:31:28 anyway. Yeah.

1:31:29 And. Yeah, OK.

1:31:30 I'm just having thoughts. Yeah, I, I think I know where

1:31:33 your thoughts are going. Maybe so, but he was a lot such

1:31:38 a loner. So Paddy, sorry, Fran had

1:31:40 already poisoned him against Paddy.

1:31:44 Yeah, and well, as I say, I think 80% of her reason for

1:31:48 getting someone in was more the protection of the property

1:31:51 against Paddy than the gardening that he did.

1:31:55 Yeah, like Potter around and, you know, tend.

1:31:57 To the plant, I think her motivation of having someone

1:31:59 else on that property was not gardening necessarily.

1:32:02 I mean as much as you know, you need that done.

1:32:03 Yeah, and he'd fix little bits. And pieces and yeah, handy

1:32:06 handyman to have around kind of stuff, but majority of like her

1:32:09 reasoning I think was to have a security guard on the on the

1:32:12 property. I really do feel that.

1:32:14 I find it interesting though that Owen never he didn't meet

1:32:18 most of the people. No, like in everyone never spoke

1:32:21 him, spoke to him. People were like, I've never

1:32:23 even seen him. Never seen him, never spoken to

1:32:25 him. Does that's the problem in a

1:32:26 town that small? How?

1:32:29 I know that and to me that spec says a lot about who I was and

1:32:34 especially when like like when you hear that there was a

1:32:38 watering system and garden done during the night, I find that

1:32:43 fascinating, which I get, OK, a hate hate can be an issue.

1:32:46 And so you might want to wait till night to maybe do something

1:32:49 because of the heat maybe. Or is it because you just don't

1:32:52 want to see anyone? I think there's a bit of both.

1:32:55 I think for sure, yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah.

1:33:01 He only associated with Fran, which I mean.

1:33:04 Kill me. I know, right?

1:33:05 I mean, don't. Yeah, don't he, he, he claims

1:33:10 that he only ever spoke with Paddy once in that three months

1:33:15 that he lived there before Paddy went missing.

1:33:17 And that was on the 13th of December, so three days before

1:33:20 Paddy went missing. Yeah, I don't know about that.

1:33:23 I don't know about that either because other people say that

1:33:26 they had more interactions than that.

1:33:28 Patty, Patty had to go to the pub and complain about it to

1:33:31 everyone and like, you know, certain things so.

1:33:32 And Barry said that they'd had multiple run insurance and

1:33:35 multiple altercations, as in Patty and Owen, that were then

1:33:40 relayed to Barry by Paddy. Yes, yes.

1:33:47 All right, so yeah. So before Owen, Sorry.

1:33:50 Before Owen came to Larimar? Yeah, there's not a whole lot

1:33:53 known about him. However, the little bit that we

1:33:55 do know is that he was a tent boxer.

1:33:59 Oh. What's that?

1:34:00 So it's basically it's not a formal boxing kind of like like

1:34:06 where there's you know, set up locations and you know that that

1:34:10 y'all gonna fight this person On this date and you know, sell

1:34:13 tickets and what have you. So it's less formal.

1:34:15 It's actually more like casual kind of boxing, so.

1:34:18 Like one of those things where people just rock up and be like,

1:34:20 yeah, I'm gonna, yeah, I can go, yeah.

1:34:21 You know, Oh yeah, I'll put my hand up and I'll fight him right

1:34:23 kind of stuff. I assume people bet on it.

1:34:27 Yeah, I would. I would assume so, but again,

1:34:29 not probably legally, you know what I mean?

1:34:31 Like. Yeah, I wasn't by any story

1:34:33 imagination assuming that. So, yeah, he basically worked

1:34:38 in, you know, some fairly heavy labour kind of jobs, you know,

1:34:41 like probably moving around a lot, doing, I don't know,

1:34:43 sharing and all those sorts of things on cattle stations, that

1:34:46 sort of stuff. So he was a very, very fit man,

1:34:50 like in that he was very strong, could do all these jobs that

1:34:54 Fran needed doing. But yeah, had a background in

1:34:57 tent boxing and apparently did pretty good at it.

1:34:59 OK. So I think that's just an

1:35:01 interesting little. Fact.

1:35:01 Did he earn money from doing that?

1:35:03 Like would he get? Like, probably would get, yeah.

1:35:06 Paid I guess, but again, under the, you know.

1:35:08 Yeah, yeah. Not not legally, no.

1:35:12 So when the police were looking to investigate now Paddy's

1:35:17 disappearance, so when they sort of move from thinking that maybe

1:35:22 there'd been a medical episode to then having, you know,

1:35:26 suspicions that something else might have taken place here.

1:35:29 Yeah. They started really looking into

1:35:31 his background and where he sat. And one of the one of the things

1:35:33 that police often do in investigations like this is

1:35:37 check finances and see whether there's anything like, did did

1:35:40 Patty potentially take his own life?

1:35:42 Like, was this something that he had intended to do?

1:35:44 Yeah. So what they discovered is that

1:35:47 Patty actually owed the Roper Gulf Regional Council just over

1:35:52 $5000 in rates because he'd never paid rates since he moved

1:35:57 in. So it got to the point where

1:36:01 he'd had notice after notice after notice.

1:36:03 Yeah. And he got a final notice to say

1:36:06 that if he didn't pay it by, I think it was by the end of

1:36:09 December, pay his, pay all the back rates.

1:36:12 Yeah. That they would seize his

1:36:14 property and sell it. Right.

1:36:16 So he decided to he didn't want that so he on the 4th of

1:36:21 December he left Larimer, went to Catherine, got a bank check

1:36:27 for the exact amount that he owed the council.

1:36:31 The Larimer, sorry, the the dues were paid, So what he owed was

1:36:36 paid, right. And what the police found was

1:36:39 that that he had about $8000 left in his bank account.

1:36:42 OK, OK. He had no other income stream at

1:36:46 this point aside from the pension.

1:36:48 Yeah, which was probably enough honestly to.

1:36:51 Well, in that in the lifestyle he's living, he's probably paid

1:36:53 outright for his property that he's living in.

1:36:55 Yeah, he didn't know any money. On no.

1:36:57 So he probably was, you know, managing to get by day-to-day,

1:37:00 Yeah. No, I mean, he's spending 40

1:37:01 bucks a day, 15 grand a year on beer.

1:37:04 Yeah. But you know, I mean, I think in

1:37:06 the grand scheme of things, his expenses were.

1:37:08 Quite low, yeah. A little bit of food that he

1:37:10 would eat, all that sort of stuff.

1:37:11 I mean, yeah, he was probably, you know, yeah.

1:37:15 Managing OK. Yeah.

1:37:16 So in the, I guess while the police were investigating this,

1:37:23 they found that there was a dispute in the days leading up

1:37:27 to Patty's disappearance between Patty, Fran and Owen, right?

1:37:31 Yeah, Fran said that two visitors had been who'd been

1:37:35 staying with her left on the morning of Tuesday, the 12th of

1:37:38 December in 2017. On that same morning, Owen went

1:37:43 to Catherine. After they all left, she looked

1:37:47 out of her bedroom window. And this is when she saw the

1:37:51 kangaroo thing happening. Right, which you're which you

1:37:54 spoke about earlier. Yeah.

1:37:57 She said that she saw Paddy standing in the middle of the

1:38:01 highway with his dog. He smiled and looked at her.

1:38:06 And next minute she's got a kangaroo obviously inside her

1:38:10 house. This happened at 7:00 in the

1:38:12 morning, right? So he's up there taunting her,

1:38:17 being a fucking asshole. Yeah.

1:38:20 Owen came back that day at about 4:00 in the afternoon from

1:38:23 Catherine. And then the next day Fran was

1:38:28 travelling to Darwin for a couple of days.

1:38:30 I find this so funny. So she talks about going to get

1:38:36 her hair done and the police ringer wanting an into like

1:38:40 wanting to interview her. Yeah.

1:38:42 And she? They pulled her over, I think,

1:38:44 yeah. That's right, That's right.

1:38:45 They pulled her over. That's right.

1:38:47 And she's like, well, I've got to go and I've got a hair

1:38:48 appointment at 9:30. I've got to go and get to that.

1:38:51 And so the police officer was like, I'm better trick with my

1:38:53 supervisor if that's OK. And they're like, yeah, all

1:38:55 right, Fran, go and get get your hair done.

1:38:57 Then come. Yeah.

1:38:58 Then come and, and, and be interviewed.

1:39:01 Yeah. So she told she had as she was

1:39:05 leaving. So Owen was coming back.

1:39:07 She was leaving. Yeah.

1:39:08 She told Owen about what had happened with the kangaroo.

1:39:12 And. And she says that that Owen said

1:39:16 to her, I know I can. I could smell it from down the

1:39:18 road. Like the smell of a rotting.

1:39:21 Oh. Oh, it would be so disgusting.

1:39:23 Yeah. So the way that Owen tells the

1:39:29 story is interesting. So what what happened next was,

1:39:39 so you know how Owen said that he'd only had one interaction

1:39:44 with Paddy? That interaction pertained to an

1:39:49 incident with Kelly the dog? Yes.

1:39:51 So what happened was that Paddy's dog, Kelly, crossed the

1:39:58 highway, the Stuart Highway. Yeah, It wasn't on Fran's

1:40:04 property at all, because Fran's and Paddy's were on the other

1:40:10 side of the highway, on the same side of the highway, but

1:40:12 Paddy's. But Kelly had crossed the

1:40:14 highway, right, and was barking. She'd found something.

1:40:18 She was barking and making a huge amount of.

1:40:21 Ruckus and whatever. Yeah.

1:40:22 And that pissed Owen off. Yeah, he didn't like that.

1:40:25 No. So he said to Patty, keep your

1:40:28 fucking dog at home. Patty then responded, shut up.

1:40:31 And Owen said come over here. Come over here and say that to

1:40:35 me. Say that to my face.

1:40:37 Yeah. Did he?

1:40:39 I think he threatened to kill the dog at that point.

1:40:41 Too. He threatened to kill the dog,

1:40:42 Yes, he basically said. He said something along the

1:40:46 lines of shut that fucking dog up or I'll.

1:40:47 Shut it for you. Shut it for you.

1:40:49 Yeah. That's it.

1:40:49 Yeah. It was something like along

1:40:50 those lines, yeah. And then Patty retorted with

1:40:53 mind your own fucking business, you old man.

1:40:56 My dog can bark when it wants. It's none of your business.

1:40:58 Shut your mouth or I'll take your knees out from under you.

1:41:01 Okay. Apparently, Richard overheard

1:41:04 this interaction and he he told Patty to be careful.

1:41:07 Yeah. And.

1:41:09 They didn't as much as like that.

1:41:10 It never interacted with Owen. The general consensus around the

1:41:14 town was they didn't like him. I think they like.

1:41:16 Away from. Him.

1:41:17 Yeah, I didn't. They didn't like outsiders, as

1:41:18 we were saying before too. But they didn't trust him.

1:41:20 But they didn't trust him. But they also knew that he was

1:41:24 someone who had strength. Like he looked, he didn't look

1:41:28 like someone that would be very nice.

1:41:31 Yeah. They really all were very.

1:41:32 They were wary. Yeah, for those who had seen him

1:41:36 and. And.

1:41:36 But none of them ever spoke to him.

1:41:38 But even from not speaking to him, they were like no, no, stay

1:41:41 away from him. Richard says that like Richard

1:41:43 says he looked. Richard had never had a

1:41:45 conversation, I think, with Owen at.

1:41:47 All No. But in noticing this interaction

1:41:50 between Owen and Patty and finding out what it was, Yeah.

1:41:53 And saying like, I'd be careful if I were you, not even having

1:41:56 had a Richard, not even having had a conversation yet with no.

1:42:00 Interesting. But I put some photos up on the

1:42:02 socials of him. Yeah, he's and as I say, this

1:42:06 boxer kind of background of him. You can see it.

1:42:09 He's very tall, quite Patty 54. Exactly.

1:42:13 He would have sort of been, he would have been very much over

1:42:15 the top of Patty. Yeah.

1:42:16 So he's he's quite very well built.

1:42:18 Yeah. He did a lot of like those.

1:42:20 He's in the timber industry as well.

1:42:21 Like he's well built. So, yeah, I can imagine him

1:42:24 being intimidating to someone without having to speak to him

1:42:27 or anything because sometimes you see someone like that, you

1:42:28 speak to them, go, oh, just don't look like how you really

1:42:31 are. Yeah, But people were wary of

1:42:33 him just how he looked. Yeah.

1:42:34 Yeah. Yep.

1:42:35 Patty said to Richard at the time, Oh, don't worry, I've got

1:42:38 a baseball bat. And Richard did tell the police

1:42:42 that, and the police actually found the baseball bat in

1:42:44 Patty's house, so they know it hadn't been taken out.

1:42:47 There was no evidence to suggest that it had been used to hit

1:42:49 anyone. Or anything or anything like

1:42:51 that. So Fran, we we spoke about Fran

1:42:55 getting intercepted and, and coming for an interview.

1:42:58 Yeah. So her first record of interview

1:43:01 was on the 30th of December in 2017.

1:43:04 Now she's I'm I'm just going to read a quote from that

1:43:08 interview. She says, oh, I've already had

1:43:10 words with him. I told him to keep his fucking

1:43:12 dog over there and he told me to shut up.

1:43:14 And I said come over here and I went to jump the fence and Patty

1:43:18 just ran inside. Week as fucking piss.

1:43:24 I just love the way they speak. I don't.

1:43:26 So then Fran had obviously worked Owen up as well, right?

1:43:30 Yeah. And so you.

1:43:32 Just imagine those conversations.

1:43:34 I feel like he's done this to me, he's done that to me, and

1:43:37 that's happened over like 7 years.

1:43:39 But when it gets told to you in a small space.

1:43:41 It's like 3 months or less. Than three months he would have,

1:43:43 I could imagine anyone being like, you know, a bit like, well

1:43:46 this guy's a piece of shit and like, yeah, I'll look out, I'll

1:43:49 look out for you. That's what he's being paid to

1:43:50 do basically. Like then he gets free

1:43:52 accommodation. For it.

1:43:53 This, this bit is what gets me. Yeah.

1:43:55 As Fran's going to dance. So she's told Owen at this stage

1:43:59 that Paddy has thrown this dead kangaroo carcass at her.

1:44:02 Yeah. Essentially, yeah.

1:44:05 And she says to him, hang on, don't do anything stupid.

1:44:08 I'm going to Darwin. I don't want to have to come

1:44:10 back and bail you out of jail. Whoa, whoa, yeah.

1:44:16 You know what? He's potentially well the.

1:44:19 Fact that you're even saying that yeah means that you think

1:44:22 that's possible. Well, yeah, because I mean

1:44:24 against Fran to a little bit in all this.

1:44:26 There was a point where in the inquest this was brought up,

1:44:32 that was we hadn't got to that there was an inquest but.

1:44:35 I think we're kind of at the inquest, yeah.

1:44:37 They, they started the inquest on the 7th and 8th of June in

1:44:40 2018, Yeah. And then it, they had another

1:44:43 inquest or continued the inquest after that.

1:44:46 But right. But let's talk about that now.

1:44:47 Well so at the inquest it was raised that there was a time

1:44:51 where Fran was is accused of asking someone to get rid of the

1:44:56 old man IE Paddy and wanting to pay them 10 grand.

1:45:01 Yes. So yeah, she denied that

1:45:04 inquest, but there's there are there is evidence of it.

1:45:07 Yes, So what what that is. So the the inquest brought about

1:45:13 some characters that we hadn't heard of really at this point,

1:45:17 right. So on the 11th of July 2019,

1:45:24 Wayne Ledwich, I think is his surname, he made a statement to

1:45:29 the police. He came forward to the police to

1:45:31 make a statement. Yeah.

1:45:33 He said that on a date in late 2017, he intended the Catherine

1:45:37 Government Center with his neighbor, Brian Roberts.

1:45:40 While he was at this office, he identified, later identified.

1:45:46 So he didn't know Fran, but he later identified this person to

1:45:51 be Fran. So keep that in mind.

1:45:53 Yeah. And Fran spoke to his mate

1:45:56 Brian, who was there at the time, and said, hey, Brian, how

1:46:00 are you? Wayne then says that Brian and

1:46:04 the woman and this woman, he then later said to be Fran, had

1:46:08 a conversation that went as follows.

1:46:10 Yeah, she said that the old man was still giving her a hard time

1:46:14 and has taken her to court, costing her a lot of money

1:46:16 because she bloody had to pay for all of the court proceedings

1:46:19 that she brought upon him. Yeah, she said she needed to get

1:46:23 rid of him and she would pay $10,000.

1:46:25 She said she had $9000 in cash, but she could get more.

1:46:30 Now, around this time as well, Fran had given Bobby $30,000 in

1:46:38 cash to keep in her freezer. When the police found out about

1:46:44 this, Fran was like, yeah, that's just me.

1:46:46 Super. That's.

1:46:47 Me super. But why?

1:46:53 Why was she stashing cash? I mean, I guess her business

1:46:56 would have mostly been cash. I don't really know.

1:46:59 Yeah, it would have been cash because they wouldn't have had

1:47:01 any Internet service to be tapping anything on a card or

1:47:03 whatever. Or pub had eftpos.

1:47:04 How would that have worked? That's true.

1:47:06 Oh, I guess you do it. You can do it remotely.

1:47:08 Yeah, I guess maybe. And maybe they had to connect

1:47:10 once a week to process all the transactions or something.

1:47:13 I don't really know how that would work anyway.

1:47:15 Oh, wow. So yeah, both Brian and this

1:47:20 Wayne say that that conversation took place.

1:47:24 Yep, there's a bit in it. There's a bit in it.

1:47:28 I mean, even, I mean, the coroner at the inquest did

1:47:31 conclude that he was likely killed and in the context of

1:47:36 ongoing feud he had with his nearest neighbors.

1:47:40 Yeah. So, I mean, the coroner didn't

1:47:43 name anybody in that inquest, but there was inference that

1:47:47 that's potential cause of death, which no cause of death was

1:47:51 named either. He couldn't because he don't

1:47:53 have a body. Yeah, we don't know.

1:47:54 But we also know no name perpetrators.

1:47:56 Yeah. So that from that it was really

1:48:00 referred to the police again to do further investigations.

1:48:02 That's right. But it's.

1:48:04 Oh my God. I know it's so the inquest.

1:48:08 So they then had four years basically before the inquest

1:48:12 resumed? Yes.

1:48:13 And there was more evidence tended at the new at the

1:48:17 reinstated inquest. And that was when this Brian and

1:48:24 and Wayne gave their evidence. But then in the same turn, Fran

1:48:28 gave evidence to say that she never even knew Brian.

1:48:31 Yeah, inconveniently very convenient.

1:48:36 She also denied that she'd ever offered money to anyone to to

1:48:41 have Patty killed. OK.

1:48:44 Do you want to have a quick chat now about the listening devices?

1:48:48 Well, let's get there. This is.

1:48:50 This is interesting. Find this really interesting and

1:48:52 again, if you watch the documentary, it's very Jinx

1:48:54 style. We'll ruin that for you now.

1:48:57 But so you get to the end of it and there's some recordings that

1:49:01 are played now. Those recordings are played in

1:49:04 that as like 1 chunk. That's actually not how they

1:49:09 really were in reality. Not to take away from the impact

1:49:13 of. Them OH for 100.

1:49:14 Percent. But I actually think this gives

1:49:16 up even more credit in terms of what is said, I think because

1:49:20 these recordings were actually made over a period of time.

1:49:24 Yes. So from January 9th, 2018, yeah,

1:49:27 through to June of June 5th of 2018, yeah.

1:49:32 So as much as you get this chunk of recording at the end there,

1:49:36 that is you kind of go, what the fuck?

1:49:39 Yeah, it's they were taken out of out of context of being over

1:49:42 a period of time. So this isn't just one day these

1:49:45 recordings occurred and that this was said.

1:49:47 So basically there's a recording of a male's voice.

1:49:51 And these recordings were from listening devices that the

1:49:55 police put in Owens Bungalow. Now Owen at the inquest says

1:50:01 that it's not him on the recordings.

1:50:04 So the only way of like determining who this is, is the

1:50:08 fact that it was his bungalow. What are the males going in

1:50:12 there when he hasn't spoken to anyone in town?

1:50:13 He doesn't have a friend in town.

1:50:15 He didn't have people over like. You know the person he

1:50:17 associated with was Fran. She's female and this is a male

1:50:21 voice. And she's got a very distinctive

1:50:23 voice. Very and very high pitched like

1:50:25 there's A and this voice is quite gruff definitely and low

1:50:29 bit of singing. Ish kind of voice.

1:50:31 Well, chanting. I don't know what you'd call it.

1:50:35 So there's a few bits out of this that we can read from the

1:50:38 the transcript it gets. So it is it's, it's, I think

1:50:42 it's pretty damning evidence really.

1:50:44 But I guess the fact that we don't have definitively it was

1:50:48 him, but circumstantially who else would it be?

1:50:51 God, who else would it be? So starts with January 9th in

1:50:55 2018. Where you get this?

1:50:58 Fucking idiots. Yeah, Tell them what I've done.

1:51:00 It hit with the fucking hammer. Yeah, tell them how I've hit.

1:51:03 Yeah, with fucking hammer. Hey, how you inaudible.

1:51:08 So it goes on and on. And then another cut, you know,

1:51:11 in February again. Well, they didn't fucking find

1:51:14 the hammer. Well, they can't get me for

1:51:16 anything. Do you find as well he uses the

1:51:19 word like killerate? I killerated.

1:51:21 Yeah, I killerated. Killerate and hammer, I say.

1:51:24 It rated a killerator. Yeah, yeah.

1:51:26 Killerator. Killerator, Yeah.

1:51:27 Singing. He was sort of singing songy

1:51:29 with that because he had a bit of a guitar.

1:51:30 He was strumming away when he was doing at that time.

1:51:33 I got a slobbery bunch of coconuts.

1:51:35 They're rolling in the Bay. Rolling, rolling in the Bay.

1:51:38 I killerated old Patty with that.

1:51:40 Fucking killerated him. I struck on the fucking head and

1:51:43 killerated him. Struck him on the fucking head

1:51:46 and killer rated the bastard. Struck him on the head and

1:51:48 killer rated him. Strucked him on the head and

1:51:51 killer rated him. Bashur rated him Doof Fasher

1:51:54 rated him. Yes he did.

1:51:55 Bashur rated him. Oof me cock.

1:51:56 Me cock? Do you think he actually like

1:52:00 accidentally bashed his cock then?

1:52:01 Like, do you reckon he like, bums himself like cock maybe?

1:52:08 When I read that I'm like, I think that's probably what

1:52:10 happened there 'cause it doesn't make sense to any.

1:52:12 Nothing. Not that any of this gibberish

1:52:13 made sense, just really quickly. I also love the fact that

1:52:17 there's one of the recordings on on the 25th of February where

1:52:21 he's like, fucking killer bastard.

1:52:23 You killed fucking Patty up the bum.

1:52:26 Yeah, like. What does that mean?

1:52:28 Oh my God. Yeah.

1:52:29 But he also. But then he says I donged him on

1:52:31 the head. I punched him in the nose.

1:52:33 Like there's so many references to different ways that he

1:52:36 potentially hurt or. But oh, definitely this, this

1:52:40 Bok Bok 1 where he talks about smacked him on the nostrils.

1:52:43 Yeah. Ruby, Ruby snickering, sneaky

1:52:46 snooze. I don't know what, who Ruby is.

1:52:48 No, because Ruby gets mentioned a couple of times.

1:52:50 And look, as I say, these are recordings from, you know, days

1:52:53 over the course of, you know, six months.

1:52:55 Yeah, there would have been absolutely a whole lot of other

1:52:57 things recorded. Like, I mean, he's one man in a

1:52:59 room. Like, how much is he talking to

1:53:01 himself? I guess you do talk to yourself

1:53:02 on your on your own. So, you know, there would have

1:53:05 been recordings that we don't get because they're not related.

1:53:08 For sure. Yeah.

1:53:09 So you're only getting here the one, the snippets of bits that

1:53:12 are related to this case because anything else they just, you

1:53:15 know, get rid of. Yeah.

1:53:16 But they he does mention the dog as well and he's.

1:53:20 Like I kill dogs, yeah, or something like that.

1:53:22 Ruby, what did you do with my book?

1:53:24 I kill you myself. I kill.

1:53:26 I kill pup dog. I kill pup dogs.

1:53:28 Ha ha, ha ha. Bye See ya goodbye, Hulu, bye.

1:53:32 See ya. Bye bye Hulu.

1:53:34 Bye. So to me there's it's no, I

1:53:41 guess they're the ramblings and we've talked about that before.

1:53:43 Like you know that? What do they mean?

1:53:45 What do they mean when they're a bit rambling?

1:53:47 Like you think about the the scrollings, for example, of Lucy

1:53:50 Letbee, right? That comes to mind.

1:53:52 Yes. It's it gives me this a similar

1:53:54 vibe, although Patty's sorry Owens are just verbalized, not

1:53:57 written down on a yeah. Instant note, yeah.

1:54:00 I it's, it's really hard and I think the coroner really

1:54:04 struggled with this. Yes.

1:54:06 Can I read the coroner's findings?

1:54:08 Please do. Yes, yes.

1:54:09 So he OK So what he says is in my opinion, Patty was killed in

1:54:15 the context of and likely due to the ongoing feud he had with his

1:54:19 nearest neighbors being Frown and Owen.

1:54:22 He likely died on the evening of the 16th of September 2017.

1:54:27 He had ridden home from the hotel, put the mostly eaten

1:54:30 chicken in the microwave, put his wallet on the table and his

1:54:32 hat in its usual place, put the dog food in the dog's bowl and

1:54:36 got his own meal out of the freezer.

1:54:39 He then went outside with his dog.

1:54:41 There is no evidence as to where he went.

1:54:44 However, it is likely that the new plants at Fran's Place were

1:54:47 of some attraction. IE something's gone on out there

1:54:51 that attracted him, which is something we didn't mention too,

1:54:55 was that there were two phone calls made from the phone booth.

1:54:57 Oh. Yeah, that's a good.

1:54:58 Point which was that phone booth was out the front of Fran's

1:55:01 place. Those both those two phone calls

1:55:03 were made by Owen Owen. Yeah.

1:55:06 So we know the timing of when Owen was outside the front of

1:55:11 his house directly where Patty could see him.

1:55:14 Yeah. So maybe there's been noise out

1:55:18 there. Now, the other thing is that

1:55:19 that was noted by some of the residents.

1:55:22 Not everyone agrees this, which is interesting, but there was a

1:55:26 gunshot heard by some of the residents on that evening.

1:55:31 So the thought being that potentially something's going on

1:55:35 at the front that's detracted Patty to come out of his house

1:55:38 with Kelly as Kelly follows him everywhere, everywhere, because

1:55:41 I find that interesting. There's a bowl of dog food, but

1:55:43 the dog, enough of what the attraction was, was that Kelly's

1:55:46 like, I'm going with you, I'm going to move my food, I'm going

1:55:48 to come. With you, you think for a dog

1:55:50 like. Yeah, what's what's been that

1:55:51 much for Paul to come out? So then the gunshot.

1:55:55 Maybe he's shot the dog. This is my theory.

1:55:58 Then he has hit Patty with a hammer and killed him as well.

1:56:05 So I think that is my theory as well.

1:56:09 So I think, yeah, Owen's been outside.

1:56:11 What was he making the phone call for that he had?

1:56:13 There was a legitimate reason he needed to make a phone call.

1:56:15 I just saw what it was off the top of my head.

1:56:17 But what I think happened was that he was out there.

1:56:21 Paddy's gone to investigate or torment or maybe, you know, stir

1:56:26 some shit. Yeah.

1:56:28 And has gone out there with Kelly.

1:56:29 Kelly's either barked or made some noise and yeah, Owen's

1:56:33 followed through. Yeah, we know Owen had firearms.

1:56:35 Yes. And has shot Kelly.

1:56:40 Paddy has lost his shit. Fucking as you would as you

1:56:43 would. Yep.

1:56:45 And it's escalated to the point where Owens then killed Paddy.

1:56:48 Now there are so many places out there that you could hide or get

1:56:52 rid of a body. Because the other thing is that

1:56:54 we in this, like you sort of go, OK, well, there's got to be

1:56:55 evidence then of that. You know, there was solid

1:56:58 searches. There was no blood found or no

1:56:59 that. But there was a huge dump of

1:57:01 rain that night. Yeah.

1:57:02 That would have washed away into that dry dirt, red, red dirt,

1:57:06 blood or anything like that that was there when if you think a

1:57:09 shot, a dog shot once, one bullet and it depend, maybe you

1:57:14 did it exactly. In the head.

1:57:15 Where that dog was shot, you don't know that there may not

1:57:18 have been a hell of a lot of blood even with if he's hit him

1:57:21 on the head with a hammer, again, maybe not a hell of a lot

1:57:24 of blood from. There, did he kill him in situ?

1:57:27 Did he kill him there, or did he take him away and kill him

1:57:29 elsewhere? We don't know.

1:57:30 We don't know that. So I can I can sort of come at

1:57:34 this. So they did take his car at one

1:57:37 point you know, early in this they did take his car and

1:57:39 investigate that and there was nothing found in there.

1:57:41 Yep. Nothing found in his in the the

1:57:43 bungalow as evidence. So I do believe this happened

1:57:47 all externally and I I well there's a theory also that maybe

1:57:51 he was Paddy was fed to the crocodile.

1:57:54 Yeah. Which I don't know if I'm

1:57:55 talking going back to about Carol Baskin case that seems to

1:57:58 be something that maybe couldn't happen that crocodiles would

1:58:01 need it. I don't know or they.

1:58:04 The bones, they'd eat the tissue, but not the bones.

1:58:07 Yeah, I think it'd still be stuff leftover from.

1:58:09 That yeah, there'd be evidence. And those sorts of things were

1:58:12 checked. You know those areas.

1:58:13 Where do you? Reckon it's funny though that

1:58:15 the the residents, I think it was Barry actually was like well

1:58:18 the crocodile was looking pretty fast.

1:58:20 Yeah, they want to stir shit. This is the thing.

1:58:25 And like, point fingers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:58:28 But I think that there's a possibility of him being able to

1:58:30 get rid of that body of the dog and Paddy.

1:58:33 I think, I think there would be any number of places that he

1:58:37 could have gotten rid of that. Body and the other one that I do

1:58:41 come back to with all of that is that Karen of Mark and Karen the

1:58:45 mechanics, she says that she saw at the dump some puppies that

1:58:52 had been killed. Now Richard did have 5 puppies

1:58:56 from some dogs that he he had. Now he is adamant that those

1:59:00 puppies went to homes and he didn't kill those puppies.

1:59:04 But Karen swears and no one else saw it but she swears she saw

1:59:07 puppies dead in the dump. But I just wonder, was it Kelly

1:59:15 that she saw? But she said she saw multiple

1:59:17 puppies. But I don't know, I mean, if

1:59:19 you're looking at. And I guess it's down in a dump.

1:59:22 Like down in a dump like that. Could you be assuming it's

1:59:25 something that it's it's not not I mean.

1:59:27 Well, she found it really suspicious that Richard one day

1:59:30 had these puppies and the next day didn't.

1:59:32 And he said, yeah, because I gave them to their owners.

1:59:34 Yeah, I got rid of them, but in a way that was humane.

1:59:37 Yeah. Yeah.

1:59:39 I don't know. I could believe either.

1:59:41 Yeah, same. Actually.

1:59:42 Yeah, yeah. My God.

1:59:47 Oh there's so many bits to this. Sorry but the the audio

1:59:51 recording steal it for me. Yeah, agreed.

1:59:54 And he is he, he will not speak. Owen has he's, he enacted his

2:00:00 right to silence. He really did not answer

2:00:03 questions at the inquest, no. He was told he was told he

2:00:06 didn't have to. Yep.

2:00:08 And that anything he did say could potentially incriminate

2:00:11 him. So he opted not to say anything.

2:00:13 I think that was probably a good move, yeah.

2:00:16 Although I feel that's a massive injustice to Patty and whatever

2:00:20 happened to him. So.

2:00:23 But yeah, nobody's to this day we're in what, 2025 now?

2:00:26 Into 2025? And yeah, nobody has been found

2:00:31 guilty of anything that happened to Patty, of his disappearance

2:00:34 or presumed murder. Yeah.

2:00:36 Well, the DPP have come out and said that yeah, no charges will

2:00:39 be laid because the evidence was insufficient to support any

2:00:43 criminal charges. OK.

2:00:45 So the police investigation does remain open and there is a

2:00:49 $250,000 reward being offered for any information.

2:00:53 But I mean, I think it's, it's pretty tricky like I mean.

2:00:57 What 250 granded by you in Larimar?

2:00:59 Oh, I mean God, the whole town. Easy, easy.

2:01:02 Yeah, maybe Madaranka as well. Yeah, Yeah.

2:01:06 Well, I mean, Patty's home. It currently is up for auction.

2:01:08 Yeah. So it's it's not it's empty.

2:01:10 Like it didn't sell yet. It's been there like that for

2:01:15 seven years. Yeah.

2:01:16 So it's pretty dilapidated now, even more so than it was.

2:01:20 Back then, yeah, I think so. I think a lot of there's been,

2:01:23 you know, off the back of Patty's disappearance, there's

2:01:26 been a fair bit of movement in Larimar.

2:01:28 Oh yeah. So I think after after all this

2:01:31 happened, Barry Sharp ended up leaving the park.

2:01:34 Well, he ended up getting very sick.

2:01:36 He, he's got cancer now too. Oh, no, sorry.

2:01:38 He's died. Sorry.

2:01:39 He passed away. He passed away from cancer,

2:01:41 yeah. He they, I believe, like a young

2:01:43 Czech couple, took over for a little while and the first baby

2:01:47 in like 50. Something like that.

2:01:49 Was born in Larimer, Yeah, but the they, the Czech couple are

2:01:53 no longer there. I believe it's owned now by

2:01:57 another couple, right? OK.

2:01:58 I actually might be like a German man or something.

2:02:02 I did look this up. I've just had a mental blank.

2:02:04 I'm sorry. But yeah, it's the Czech couple

2:02:06 have moved on and it's now owned by somebody else.

2:02:08 Couldn't raise a kid because there's no school.

2:02:10 I mean like a certain age the kid could be there like that we

2:02:12 could do. Remote schooling, yeah.

2:02:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what all.

2:02:15 But I mean, there's no other kid.

2:02:17 No, there's no other kid for them to interact with.

2:02:19 Play with Yeah. Yeah, very absolutely.

2:02:21 Tough, yeah. At the that Fran's daughter,

2:02:25 yeah, lives in Melbourne, Yes. And Fran herself was diagnosed

2:02:28 with cancer and so she moved down to live with her daughter

2:02:33 down in down in Melbourne. And her and her and Billy are.

2:02:36 Back together, back on or back on.

2:02:38 But he's still living in, Yeah, he's in Laramie.

2:02:40 He's moved back into their house.

2:02:42 Yes, she's allowed to move back in there.

2:02:44 Yeah, seriously, I just can't keep up.

2:02:47 I love it. But yeah, Fran.

2:02:51 Do we think that Fran, I mean, did how much, how much do you?

2:02:56 Think it's interesting her daughter?

2:02:58 Yeah, in the documentary, talks about how obsessed her mum still

2:03:03 is to this day. Yes, With Paddy.

2:03:06 Yeah. And the feud with Paddy.

2:03:07 She talks about it every single day.

2:03:10 She is obsessed. She needs some counselling.

2:03:12 I get the woman some counselling.

2:03:14 She cannot let it go. No, because my card instinct on

2:03:17 it is that her direct involvement in this, I do not

2:03:21 think that she said to to Owen kill him.

2:03:26 Agree. I think that she has indirectly

2:03:29 got him to a point that where he's this has occurred.

2:03:31 She's been at him. Like just listening to her on

2:03:34 the documentary about how much she hates Paddy.

2:03:36 Yeah, she's at him, at him. She would be at him, at him, at

2:03:39 him. He would.

2:03:40 He probably went. I've got to fucking kill this

2:03:43 bloke just to shut the fuck up. Oh my God, Yeah, I think that

2:03:48 indirectly. And I do think there's guilt

2:03:49 there and that's why she can't let it go.

2:03:51 Yeah, OK. Like, and I think that she she

2:03:53 fears her indirect knowledge and participation will come and bite

2:03:59 her in the ass. Yeah.

2:04:00 So she's got to keep talking about it to make sure that

2:04:03 everyone knows that she didn't do it.

2:04:04 Do. It like, yeah, yeah.

2:04:06 That's my gut instinct on her. There's.

2:04:07 A couple of times in the documentary, though, that I'm

2:04:10 like, oh, you know, so much more than you're letting.

2:04:13 Yeah, but I think like. She knows.

2:04:15 Yeah, at some point she knows. Because she said things that's

2:04:18 planted seeds there. But like and has built it to

2:04:21 this point where this has happened.

2:04:22 I think there's there's underlying guilt.

2:04:24 Yeah. But yeah.

2:04:26 And how how much involvement then you put on her of like what

2:04:29 she did to actually make this be what be the ending of it.

2:04:33 Like, yeah. Yeah.

2:04:36 Yeah, but I love that. Like Cookie also, he's decided

2:04:38 to leave the town but he's got to wait for his property to sell

2:04:40 so then he can move to Tassie with his wife.

2:04:43 Yeah. But I mean that's been on the

2:04:45 market for the same seven years. Yeah, yeah.

2:04:48 I mean, yeah, like so these days, I mean, to live out there

2:04:52 like that, it's so remote, like extremely remote.

2:04:57 Back in the day, there wouldn't be, there's no the difference

2:04:59 between living in that kind of remoteness to city to city life

2:05:02 was it would be appealing, I think, yes.

2:05:05 But these days, oh, it's so disconnected, so remote.

2:05:10 Oh, man. But 30 bucks for thirty $30,000

2:05:13 for a property sounds good too, yeah?

2:05:16 That's true. That's very, very true.

2:05:18 Just to end today, can I ask for a commitment from you?

2:05:22 Oh God, and. Me.

2:05:25 To never have a feud about pies. Oh, let's not.

2:05:29 Let's not never. I think we can probably really

2:05:31 commit to that. OK, cool.

2:05:33 Great. I'm happy with that.

2:05:34 Let's end on that positive note, then.

2:05:36 Pies are great, but I kind of don't have any, you know, like

2:05:38 commitment in the game. Hard agree.

2:05:43 Whether you like a four and 20 or you don't, I really don't

2:05:45 care. Good to know.

2:05:49 All right, Well, thank you everybody for joining us again

2:05:51 on another so the second last episode of the year.

2:05:54 Oh my. Gosh.

2:05:55 Next week for our last episode, we're going to cover the Delphi

2:05:58 murders. So yeah, interesting.

2:06:01 Really. I'm looking forward to deep

2:06:03 diving into this one because again, it's one that I know you

2:06:06 know semi well, but yeah, there's certainly updates.

2:06:09 That have come up recently. That we need to get on top of

2:06:12 absolutely. That's where we're at.

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