Episode 48 - Schapelle Corby

0:15 Welcome back to Crime Besties to another episode.

0:17 Meg, how are you today? Oh, we're just saying we're

0:20 here, we're surviving. I think every day is another

0:23 struggle. Thriving.

0:24 No, no, not at the moment. Surviving.

0:26 Surviving, yeah. And that's always.

0:27 Surviving with flair, yeah. Yeah, that's that's probably it

0:32 you. Know that actually reminds me

0:34 when I was in high school I did a cooking class so one of my

0:37 electives in I feel like it was probably year 9 or something and

0:40 it was called the elective was called cooking with flair but we

0:44 made. Flairs, I said.

0:45 Like setting them off? But we made things like it was

0:47 so basic bitch cooking. Like it wasn't even.

0:51 There was nothing with flair. I think the the most the

0:55 craziest thing we made was like a gingerbread house at Christmas

0:58 time. Oh, which was cool.

1:00 That was cool. That was really fancy.

1:02 We did like the stained glass windows with the boiled.

1:04 Bodies in there, kids, don't you?

1:06 You make that stuff. You're into that?

1:07 Yeah. That sort of stuff with kids

1:09 just is like my nightmare. I can't and I'm I'm the kid

1:13 person. You're a kid person.

1:14 You're a kinder teacher. But cooking with them, Yeah.

1:17 No, thank you. Yeah.

1:19 With my own kids. I mean, you have this, like, I

1:21 always have this, like, grand idea of like, you know, that

1:23 cooking with kids is gonna be this idyllic, amazing

1:26 experience. Yeah.

1:29 Licking the spoon and smiling and laughter, you know.

1:32 Like. Like a hallmark.

1:33 Card. Yeah, totally.

1:34 Yeah. But it's just not.

1:35 It's a no. No, it's and you end up with

1:38 flour from one end of. I don't even know how it gets.

1:41 I know so far the child. Oh, yeah, Yeah.

1:44 Fair. Fair, fair.

1:45 Yeah. Yep, Yep.

1:47 I've got one kid who won't eat what we cook, but he loves

1:50 cooking. Yeah, that's weird.

1:51 Exactly. My chip.

1:52 Yeah. Mason really is not interested

1:54 whatsoever. Brody loves getting into the

1:56 cooking and stuff. Would he eat it?

1:58 No, the point of like even just baking goods, like I made a made

2:02 some brownies this week for lunch boxes and stuff on the

2:05 weekend. Did the whole, you know, I'm

2:06 going to bake, you know, packet You're not.

2:10 An idiot. But because he was begging for

2:13 brownies and I was like, oh God, I can't even bother with this

2:15 because I hate this shit. But yeah, I thought, I've had

2:16 fun. We'll do a packet mix.

2:18 Yeah. And I thought, oh, I should

2:19 really do this more often, you know, bake and that.

2:21 But they just don't fucking eat. It Yeah, I make banana bread

2:25 every week for Lucas, 'cause that's one thing I know he will

2:28 always eat. Yeah, and he loves helping me

2:31 make that. But then it just takes double

2:33 the amount of time and I'm like, we're already very time poor.

2:36 Got you. Whereas Ollie will demand what

2:39 he wants for the week for his baked treats, but he's not all

2:43 that interested in cooking really.

2:44 He'll cook savoury stuff with Peter, but he's not interested

2:47 in baking. He's he's a more of an immediate

2:48 cook. I need yes, my ramen, yes I'll.

2:51 Cook it. Yeah.

2:52 Last night we got home. From where were we?

2:55 Some sport probably. I can't even remember where we

2:57 were. And we got, we got home and he

3:00 was like, I think I'm gonna have like a supplementary ramen after

3:04 sports training because he'd already had his dinner.

3:07 And anyway, I was like, I'll make it for you.

3:09 You go and have your shower or make it.

3:11 Well, I didn't make it right, did I?

3:12 Because I didn't get the proportion of soup to noodles

3:15 correct. And he's like, look mum, I will

3:18 eat it this time. But next time, just so you know,

3:22 I actually need more soup because I really like the way

3:25 that the noodles then slurp through the soup well.

3:28 There's an answer to that mate. You cook it yourself.

3:31 But. Then then I would have had to

3:32 have like cleaned up after his mess of.

3:34 He made told me about the. The bread.

3:38 Oh. Yes.

3:39 OK, so this week I got home from BFT in the morning.

3:43 So I get home at 7 and normally Pete, producer Pete then goes

3:47 off to work as I come through the door.

3:49 Yeah. And on this particular morning,

3:51 Oliver was like, I think I might make a smoothie for breakfast.

3:53 I'm like, Yep, you go for it. I know he can operate the

3:56 smoothie machine. No worries.

3:58 So I've gone to have my shower come out and there is pink food

4:02 dye everywhere. And I was like, like literally

4:05 it was on the white bench top. Yeah, Whitestone bench top,

4:09 corner of the bench top, pink food dye on drips of pink food

4:13 die on the floor over to where the smoothie maker base is.

4:17 And I'm like, mate, what has gone on here?

4:20 And he's like, oh, well, I was making a blueberry and Raspberry

4:23 smoothie. I'm like, yes.

4:27 And he's like. But when when I blended it, it

4:29 was too purple, too blue. Yeah, red and blue make.

4:34 Yeah, and he's like, I wanted it to look pinker, so he's got out.

4:38 The Fluoro pink gel food colouring added that in.

4:44 That'll learn you to have your food colouring everywhere.

4:46 We have Festival Pantry, Yeah. Was that up?

4:50 Yeah. And yeah, dyed my kitchen in the

4:52 in the. I'm like mate, you know, that

4:54 doesn't change the flavour. He's like, no but.

4:56 He's gotta be pink. Eat with your eyes too, Mum.

4:58 Oh. God, I love it.

5:01 He he's, he's gonna have to be a chef or something.

5:03 Something, yeah. Or a critic A.

5:05 Critic. Yeah.

5:06 Actually, no. That's more his game, yeah.

5:07 Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine him in a kit.

5:10 Well, could I? No.

5:11 He'll burn himself too much. Or chop your finger off or

5:15 something. Oh.

5:15 God, yeah. Oh yeah.

5:17 No, that's yeah. Yeah, so that was that was that

5:21 same child this morning again. I was up 540I leave for BFT in

5:25 the morning and normally the house is still asleep.

5:29 Definitely silent. I'm about to creep out the door

5:31 this morning and I hear this noise and so I go back to check

5:34 because I thought maybe the dog wanted out or something.

5:37 I go back to check. Oliver is fully dressed and

5:40 ready to go at 5:40 AM Because they've got into school sports

5:44 today, first one ever. And he was so excited.

5:48 He's Oh my God, it was just gorgeous.

5:51 Now it's cold. We live in Melbourne.

5:52 It's cold today. He came out and he was actually

5:55 wearing a like the footy singlet and then just a puffer vest over

6:00 the top, so his arms were still fully exposed.

6:03 And I'm like, oh mate, I think you're gonna need to probably

6:05 put a jumper on today because you're gonna be outside all day.

6:08 Before you play yeah, yeah, because what what's the go?

6:12 Do they just play this afternoon or is it an?

6:14 All day, all day. They play four games today, the

6:17 day, and yes, four games today and four games next Friday.

6:21 And then there's another 2 later in the term.

6:23 That'll be the issue of the buses.

6:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is so bloody expensive.

6:27 So expensive, particularly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:30 Because it used to be like every Wednesday afternoon was was

6:34 sport like they used to go, we used to go between schools and

6:36 things. But it's obviously a new thing

6:38 they've done is condense it down to certain days.

6:41 Yeah. So I.

6:41 Think I'm pretty sure it's four days a term they go right, Yeah,

6:45 which it's so cool. He was so excited to just

6:47 gorgeous. He's Yeah, it's just super,

6:49 super excited. Yesterday morning before leaving

6:53 for school. Yeah, he actually wrote out a

6:55 regime for last night. So it actually didn't include

6:59 the sloppy ramen, surprisingly enough.

7:01 Wow. But it was about Sarah Gunn foam

7:04 roller and the spiky ball, 30 minutes on each just to really

7:09 get himself going. And a magnesium salt bath last

7:12 night. So if he's not well and truly

7:15 prepared for today, I don't know who is.

7:18 Certainly no cramps really well limbered up that's.

7:22 Right. Oh, he is an absolute gem.

7:26 Oh, I love this. I love how serious they take it.

7:28 Oh, it's so serious. That is amazing.

7:30 Yeah. Oh God, that kid.

7:32 Yeah, I just remember when the kids, when the boys were really

7:35 young, I feel like Lucas was a baby at the time.

7:37 I went to see. I went to this.

7:40 It was called, like, raising good boys or something like

7:44 that. Yeah.

7:44 And it was Michael Cargrey, A psychologist.

7:47 Yeah. And I remember him saying at the

7:48 time, he's like, you've got to find what your child is

7:50 passionate about and push them to that.

7:52 Like, yeah, don't let them stop it.

7:54 Keep that. Wow, keep that.

7:55 Fire going and I'm like, I can see now why because they just

7:59 love it so much. It really gets them involved.

8:01 If you were that parent who was like, no, mate, you're not

8:04 making any smoothies, like, or no, I'm cooking the ramen or,

8:08 you know, don't eat ramen. Yeah, yeah.

8:11 I mean, he would just, he would drive you nuts.

8:13 Yeah. Yeah.

8:14 And absolutely find other things he shouldn't be getting

8:16 involved. Yeah.

8:16 That's it. So, yeah.

8:18 You know, you can see exactly why that is because, yeah, you

8:20 gotta let them have their, their, their thing.

8:22 And it might not be something that you're, you're OK rude

8:24 sometimes. But yeah, it's it's so

8:26 important. Yeah.

8:27 I love it. And it just it, it is who he is.

8:31 It's letting him be who he truly is at his core and his essence.

8:34 Like so gorgeous. Yeah.

8:35 Funny. Anyway, I finally got all of the

8:39 pink food dye out. It took butt loads of GIF and

8:42 yeah yeah and a lot of elbow power of elbow grease.

8:46 God. Anyway.

8:46 Yeah, well. You said you could.

8:49 I see. I still feel like I can see a

8:50 tinge of pink on the bench. But you.

8:53 Said. You see it as someone who

8:54 doesn't know it was their sort of stuff.

8:55 I couldn't see it, but you feel like it's like.

8:57 Scarred into my brain anyway. Yeah.

8:59 You'll always see it, yeah. I know it's like my son, he did

9:05 these drawings on my desk, on my, at my office desk kind of

9:08 thing at home. And I'd said to him a million

9:11 times prior to him doing this, put something underneath your

9:14 drawing because you're using permanent markers, you know, and

9:17 I bought them these special mats to do that within everything.

9:20 What did he do it? No drew.

9:22 And he said to me, I did put stuff under.

9:23 I put other pieces of paper like you know that you need the mat

9:27 because yeah it went right through the paper and so it's

9:29 spider man of course picture on my desk at home that I swear to

9:34 it one day I'm gonna have to send that desk back and re re

9:37 oil it and everything because I can still see it like it's it's

9:41 there No, if someone else probably wouldn't be able to see

9:43 it, but he can see the first day he.

9:44 Knows exactly what that outline makes, yeah.

9:47 He was really good at drawing Spider Man back in the day

9:49 though, so I'm sure it's. Not good all that anymore

9:51 really. They're all over my office at

9:52 work. Like he literally he came to

9:54 where I worked for a while and so he in my office, he did all

9:57 these sticky note pictures of spider Man while I'd be still

9:59 finishing up for the day or whatever and they're all over my

10:01 office. I can't like even though I've

10:02 moved my office around since I haven't moved them.

10:06 No, they're all still there. But I've asked him to redraw and

10:08 draw Spider Man again since and he cannot do it how he used to

10:12 do. It that's so funny because he

10:13 was like, really good at it. Yeah, really, really good.

10:16 Yeah, nothing like. It anymore that's funny, really

10:18 just out of practice. Yeah, absolutely.

10:21 Switch to something else. Now we can draw Steph Curry so.

10:24 OK, Yeah. Yeah, cool, cool, cool.

10:27 Yeah, yeah. Oh man.

10:29 Anyway, I've got a few shout outs.

10:31 What was that? Just my phone with my notes on

10:34 it. So.

10:34 OK, I'll, we'll allow it because you know, we do need to, you

10:38 know, we need you to have your notes.

10:39 That's it. Well, I.

10:40 Have pieces of paper. I have Everything Everywhere.

10:42 I won't look at any of it while I'm doing it, but anyway, no.

10:44 It's just it's a comfort thing knowing that it's here.

10:46 I. Could find it if I needed to

10:48 find it. Yeah, I've highlighted pages I

10:50 have. Well, I use it.

10:52 Probably not. No, but that's OK.

10:54 We'll. See, it's there, how the brain

10:55 goes as we move along. Yeah, we'll see few shout outs

10:59 for today. We've got Naomi, Eloise, Emma,

11:02 who sent us a really nice message and letting us know she

11:06 listens to our podcast once she's dropped the kids off, done

11:09 her full day's morning's worth of work before she actually goes

11:12 to paid work. Yeah, we were just saying that's

11:14 like so true. You're really legit.

11:16 Do you work a full day just to get your kids out the door?

11:20 And then, well, it's absolute pure exhaustion walking into

11:23 your work day. But.

11:25 I feel like you do kind of switch hats and it does, you do

11:27 kind of. You have to start setting.

11:30 Yeah, yeah, as women, we can do that.

11:33 Are you good at that? Yes, but I'm.

11:35 Always running from one thing to another.

11:36 I think we were saying that just before as well.

11:38 The day never stopped. No, you literally as we do full

11:41 day's work just to get out of the house and get everyone

11:43 sorted, get to work and do a full day's work and then you

11:46 leave work to go and do another full days of work of doing the

11:48 runaround of after school pickups and drop offs and doing

11:51 sport run, dinner, dinner, etc. Cleaning up packing for the next

11:56 day. Yeah, I've got that forethought,

11:58 thinking of like, what is tomorrow and what do I need for

12:00 that? Yeah, it's exhausting.

12:03 It is. So hats off to all of us doing

12:05 it. Yep, absolutely.

12:06 We will struggle through and if we can help with any way in that

12:09 travel, yeah, bring someone to chat to.

12:12 We're here and. We get it.

12:14 Totally. And then the last shout out for

12:17 today is to Anaram 53 who messaged us on Spotify, I think

12:22 so listening to us through there.

12:23 So thank you for your comments and keep them coming.

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12:30 episode, but recently. So maybe they're catching up and

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12:36 We we can certainly see the numbers of our past episodes

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12:56 Absolutely. It's crazy.

12:57 Yeah. All right, what are we talking

12:59 about today? Today we have a classic

13:01 Australian story and almost want to say iconic.

13:05 Oh, totally iconic. I've actually written that in my

13:07 notes somewhere. I'm like the thing that I find

13:10 iconic now. I think if I say this, it'll

13:12 give away. I mean, people know from the

13:13 title anyway what they're listening to.

13:16 But for me, when I think about, so we're obviously doing

13:20 Chappelle Corby. When I think about her, the

13:22 first image that comes to my mind is when she was found

13:25 guilty in her trial. Oh yes, that image of her.

13:27 That is iconic. Yeah.

13:30 That is like a touchstone of the 2000s, isn't?

13:35 It yeah, I think, I think it was I think Chappelle Corby that

13:38 said it. If you were roughly 15 or above,

13:42 you know who I am like, yeah, that is so true in Australia,

13:46 she's so well known for. And that's the image I think we

13:50 all have of her. Unfortunately, unfortunately,

13:52 yeah, it's really we had. A decade of this, of her story

13:57 and the trials and tribulations that went along with it in the

14:00 media almost constantly, though. Yeah.

14:02 But in researching this, there are thousands upon thousands of

14:05 news articles. There is so much content out

14:08 there because. People are stupidly I do this

14:10 sometimes the beginning of my week I will just print a heap of

14:12 shit right, OK, and then over the week I'll read and whatever

14:15 have you OK, one of the one of the ones I did print early on in

14:18 the week and then didn't go to for what quite some it was just

14:20 the Wikipedia page of Chappelle Corby.

14:22 OK, right. And I did, I picked it up to

14:24 rate to have a look at it and went, why the hell is there so

14:26 many pages? Wow.

14:27 There's a lot of information on her.

14:29 No, no, no. It was all the bibliography.

14:31 Yeah. Literally the news partner,

14:34 which I then went clicking on news articles kind of find them

14:37 far more interesting, really. What's on Wikipedia?

14:38 It's not. Yeah.

14:39 But it was a great reference then for finding news articles

14:42 because holy cow, I'm not kidding.

14:44 As a minimum, 20 pages of just lists of news articles that were

14:51 being referenced within the Wikipedia page, Let alone then

14:53 what else is out there so insane amounts in the story of news.

14:58 Stories and imagine the like the pressure that that would add to

15:01 you as a person under like going through this.

15:04 I mean, again, Chappelle says this, the trial by media for her

15:08 was in a lot of ways far more detrimental to her mental health

15:12 and her state of being during. I mean, obviously the conditions

15:16 that she was imprisoned in were fucking horrible.

15:20 But you know, it was that constantly saying media articles

15:24 about herself and, and I, she was interviewed on Australian TV

15:27 after she came back and everything.

15:29 And in that in one of those interviews, she actually says

15:33 that it was it was seeing the words in the media like Chapelle

15:39 Corby, convicted drug smuggler, she said that was the thing that

15:42 really got to it. Yeah.

15:44 Yeah. It's interesting.

15:45 Do you have a very firm opinion on what you think happened, or

15:48 are we gonna see as we go along? I'm trying to stay neutral in

15:52 this, OK? But I do like, OK, because,

15:55 yeah, over the years I have spoken to people, Yep, who are

15:59 in, I can't name necessarily, but in very high positions in

16:05 federal police etcetera, Yep, who have firm opinions on this.

16:09 Yeah. I can't not hear what they've

16:10 had to say. Sure, sure.

16:12 And that there is obviously some truth to rumours that were

16:14 around. Yeah, look, I I fully agree with

16:17 that. Yeah, I think.

16:20 But certainly before I started researching this, I had AII felt

16:26 very strongly one way. Whereas in researching this, I

16:29 actually feel like my opinion probably hasn't necessarily

16:33 changed. But I think there is so much

16:36 reasonable doubt in this, yes, that I don't think she should

16:39 have been convicted, no. And had she sought trial, yeah,

16:43 had she sought trial in Australia, there's no way she

16:45 would have gone to prison. If there.

16:46 Yeah, exactly. I do.

16:47 I think that the the the punishment fit the crime, Yeah.

16:51 All those sorts of things come out of play.

16:53 The simple fact of the matter is, unfortunately, at the end of

16:55 the day, it happened in Indonesia.

16:57 Yeah, we can get to it, I guess, as we talked about it.

17:01 But yeah, it's it's a very interesting dynamic to it of

17:04 whether whether or not, yeah, innocent or guilty I think is a

17:06 different question sure to the punishment.

17:09 Agreed. Agreed.

17:10 Yeah. All right.

17:12 So Chapelle Lee Corby was born on a day that only legends are

17:15 born, the 10th of July 1970. 7:00 Not that.

17:19 Year. Not that year for me, but that

17:22 is my birthday. So Chapelle and I birthday

17:24 twins. Wow.

17:25 Because there's so many connections, yes.

17:30 Plays a lot, actually. I actually, I meant to say

17:35 before we even got started, everyone needs to stay tuned to

17:38 the end of this episode because we actually have an amazing

17:44 little bonus for you that we will have ready to go at the end

17:48 of the episode. So please stay tuned.

17:50 If for nothing else, it's for that.

17:54 OK, so Chappelle was born in QLD, grew up on the Gold Coast

17:57 in Australia. Her mum.

17:59 Now then we were talking about the pronunciation of her mum's

18:02 name. You say Rosalie.

18:04 Yeah, it's, it's spelt ROSLEIGH. So I'm like Rosalie.

18:09 But anyway, whatever. And.

18:11 Every news story I heard her saying it's Rosalie.

18:14 Rosalie. All right, let's go with that.

18:15 Rose. And her dad was Michael Corby.

18:18 Now Rosalie has Rosalie. Oh God, Ms. Rose has six

18:24 children, 3 to Michael. So they had Michael Corby 3.

18:30 Mercedes is the eldest Mercedes Corby.

18:33 We all know her from all of the news coverage as well.

18:36 We'll get into her a little bit later.

18:37 Can we call her Mercedes? I just can't come with the Merc

18:39 thing, but that's all right. Oh, Merc.

18:42 Oh, no, I'm going with Mercedes. Mercedes Coco.

18:45 Yeah. Well, what do you think?

18:46 Oh, it's Mercedes. I can't.

18:47 Yeah. Thanks.

18:48 I can't do Merc. Oh, no, Michael Junior and then

18:51 Chappelle's the youngest of that relationship.

18:54 And then Chappelle's mom had three other kids to two

18:58 different dads, I think. I believe so.

19:00 I think 2:00 to another man and then then one one I believe so I

19:07 guess Chappelle was very young when her mum and dad divorced.

19:10 I think she was not even 2. No, like she was one, I think.

19:13 Yeah, yeah, only a baby. And the dad left the home but

19:17 and he went. Was he a minor or something?

19:19 I think he worked remotely somewhere.

19:21 Did so he he worked on a an open cut mine.

19:25 That's South QLD I believe, or yeah.

19:28 So it was a bit of a FIFO type worker and he would come back.

19:32 I think he was as involved in the kids lives as he could be

19:37 given that the nature of his work and the fact that I guess

19:40 they were split up. But I think.

19:42 Kids would go out and visit these areas.

19:43 They would, obviously. They saw him as much as they

19:46 could, yeah. And he would, he would try and

19:48 get back to see them as much as he could, too.

19:50 Yeah. I think the separation was

19:52 fairly amicable because when he came back to see to to the Gold

19:56 Coast, yeah, he would actually still stay in the family home.

19:59 Yeah. And spend Christmases and stuff

20:01 with them. So yeah, it seems like it was,

20:04 you know? Fairly in the in terms of

20:07 divorced families and divorced couples, yeah, it was actually

20:10 fairly, fairly. Amicable, which meant, yeah,

20:12 obviously the kids then had, you know, a good relationship with

20:14 him, yeah. Yeah, growing up, I think

20:16 Chappelle was a typical Aussie teenager.

20:21 She says that when she was 14, she did try drugs, but it made

20:24 her hallucinate and she didn't like it very much.

20:27 By drugs, I'm assuming she meant marijuana.

20:29 She didn't specify in her. That's her said.

20:35 And she also didn't like the fact that when she did she would

20:38 always end up in a take away shop and she didn't want to get

20:40 fat. Oh really?

20:41 Yeah, that's hilarious. At the age of 17, she first

20:48 travelled overseas to Bali. So this was her first ever

20:52 overseas trip. Yeah, she went with Mercedes and

20:54 Michael and stayed for about 6 months.

20:56 So I'm like, why were you not at school?

20:58 Like, where did school fit in here?

21:01 This was in early 1995. She came home from that six

21:06 month stint in Bali and almost immediately went to travel to

21:10 Japan. So Mercedes was living in Japan

21:12 at the time. I think she was teaching or

21:14 something. OK.

21:15 And and so Chappelle decided to go over and I think she only

21:20 spent maybe a couple of months, maybe 3 months or so in Japan,

21:25 but they, she loved living there.

21:27 Absolutely loved her time there. Yeah, that she then came back to

21:31 the Gold Coast just in time for her 18th birthday.

21:35 Fair call. Need to party it up with your

21:37 mates. Yeah.

21:38 And while she was back home, she met a man at Coles, our local

21:43 like one of our national supermarkets, by the name of

21:47 Kimi Tanaka. This is.

21:48 That's a. Pseudonym that he goes, he goes

21:50 by. He doesn't want to be named in

21:51 any of this, but he does. Has done interviews and things.

21:54 Yeah, well, you can see his face.

21:55 Yeah, yeah. But I I couldn't find his actual

21:58 name. No, I did try because I was

21:59 like, what? This seems, I don't know a bit.

22:01 So that's why are you putting your face out there but not your

22:02 name? Yeah, I guess.

22:04 Yeah. Like, I probably wouldn't want

22:06 to be embroiled in this any more than I had to be.

22:08 He was out of the picture by then.

22:09 So, well and really, Yeah. So they meet at Coles and she

22:12 invites him to her 18th birthday party.

22:15 And I think she liked the fact. So he was in, he was here on a

22:21 working visa from Japan and he lived in Toyoma, which is where

22:26 she probably just spent some time.

22:27 Yeah, where the area that she'd been around, But.

22:30 And so he was a professional. No, sorry.

22:31 That's her. I'm sorry.

22:32 I gave him Mercedes. Mercedes.

22:33 Husband. No, don't, don't.

22:34 OK, Stop. Stop.

22:37 So he went to the 18th and they ended up becoming a couple very,

22:42 very quickly. Yeah.

22:43 They then moved to Omazaki, which is in just South of Tokyo.

22:48 And he was working on a tea farm.

22:50 She was working and a surf shop, I think.

22:52 And she was working in a Riya Khan, like a, as a sort of like

22:56 a Hostess type thing, like a hospitality worker, basically.

23:00 Yeah. In 1997 they got engaged and

23:04 off. Yeah, this, yeah.

23:07 Two weeks after they got engaged, he takes her to the

23:12 Omazaki town hall, gives her papers to signs and she thought

23:15 they were opening up a bank account together.

23:17 Yes. As they leave, they get in the

23:20 car and he's like, oh, by the way, we just got.

23:22 Married. Like what?

23:24 What the fuck? Yeah, she said like so from this

23:28 point on, the relationship really changed and whether that

23:31 was literally her really uncomfortableness around just

23:34 that alone that triggered it or what, which I wouldn't blame in

23:38 her. Book She actually said that this

23:41 was an absolute turning point, not only not only for the way

23:44 she saw him, yeah, but also for the way he treated her.

23:47 This is it. There was a real change in

23:49 everything. And whether that was, you know,

23:52 that's what he wanted all along was that once they married this

23:54 this is how you're gonna now things are gonna be like once

23:55 we're married, that's it's it's a flick of a switch or whether

23:58 she sort of, I think has really said this or like her attitude

24:01 to him change. So whether that then that was

24:03 what made his attitude towards her change.

24:05 Yeah, who knows what, you know, chicken and egg kind of

24:08 situation. A little from column.

24:09 A little from column. I think so, to be honest.

24:12 Yeah. So he she apparently it became

24:13 quite abusive relationship didn't wasn't a good marriage at

24:19 all. So she didn't well she stuck it

24:20 out though still I mean it wasn't till 2000 until she can't

24:25 say separated. So I mean, good on her for

24:28 giving it a red hot crack, but obviously it was not a good

24:31 relationship. Yeah, she, she claims that the

24:34 relationship was are like financially abusive and

24:38 emotionally abusive. So yeah, she needed to obviously

24:42 get out. As you said, they in July 2000

24:45 she left him yeah and returned to Australia via Bali.

24:48 So she met her. Mercedes.

24:50 In Bali, says Mercedes by this stage was living there with her.

24:54 Husband and then I think they had a few kids or at least

24:57 someone. I think they had one, one at

24:59 that stage, yeah. Yeah, so tell us what you were

25:02 gonna say about Wayan. So Wayan, he was a surfer and so

25:06 he was doing sort of the Asian circuit of pro surfing.

25:10 So he's apparently his English was incredible.

25:12 They met in Bali, but and and fell in love.

25:16 It sounds like it was about quite a a very positive

25:19 relationship. They seemed to be really, really

25:21 strong, but they then ended up settling down in Bali when his

25:26 surfing career was like coming towards a bit of an end.

25:28 So he was, I think it was one of the one of the RIP Curls Surf

25:30 Pro participants and everything. So, yeah, he was very heavily

25:35 into his surfing. But they settled in in Bali with

25:37 an idea though that they would eventually move to back to move

25:40 to Australia with their children once they became sort of school

25:43 age. So that was their plan wasn't to

25:46 live in Bali forever, but that's where they're basing themselves

25:48 because of where he was leaving, going for surfing events and

25:51 things mainly. Yeah.

25:53 Yeah. So that's, that's where he was.

25:55 He came into the picture, Yeah, they've had fair bit of

25:58 property. They owned a reasonable sized

25:59 property in Bali because you can probably buy something.

26:02 They're a bit cheaper than we could here in Australia, I just

26:03 say. They're in a really nice place

26:05 in CUDA, wasn't it? Yeah, in CUDA, yeah, Really.

26:08 You can see photos of it online and yeah, yeah, really nice.

26:11 Called a. Compound.

26:12 Yeah, it was a family compound, so I believe multiple of his

26:16 family members lived there. But it was massive.

26:18 Yeah. And they all had their own,

26:19 like, little houses within the compound.

26:22 Yeah, it was, Yeah. It's, it's an interesting

26:26 lifestyle, I guess compared to, you know, our Western culture,

26:29 it's very different. But then the weather lends

26:32 itself to that sort of indoor outdoor living and you know,

26:35 it's Bali is very. Humid.

26:37 Is and it's very humid temperatures and such a

26:39 beautiful place and the people are gorgeous.

26:41 It's yeah, it really is like a, you know, they say it's

26:45 Australia's playground and it really is.

26:47 So many Australians visit there every year and it's a gorgeous

26:52 place to go. I love Bali.

26:54 I've been made be. I can't.

26:55 I don't know if it's three or four times, but I just.

26:57 Love it. Somewhere I've never travelled

26:59 to. Yeah, yeah.

27:00 But I know it's a majority of people you speak to in

27:02 Australia. It's, you know, yeah.

27:04 Been to Bali at least. Like we live in the southern

27:06 states of Australia and it's still only a six hour flight.

27:09 Yeah. I mean, you live in western sort

27:10 of Australia, Perth, etc. I mean, it's only a three hour

27:12 flight. Yeah, they they, they are big

27:14 travellers to Bali, even if we we call ourselves big travellers

27:17 on this side. But apparently I.

27:19 Think it's only an hour from Darwin.

27:21 Yeah. Yeah, it's really not far.

27:23 Yeah. It's more like a domestic

27:24 flight. Exactly.

27:25 So yeah, it is somewhere that Australians frequent and have

27:29 done for decades and decades and decades, although it has changed

27:32 a lot over the years. Yeah.

27:34 But now there's a lot of, you know, big chain hotels and,

27:38 like, very luxurious, you know, villas and that kind of thing.

27:42 And yeah, you can get out of Bali what you want to get out of

27:45 it. Yeah, you can sort.

27:47 Of see whatever you want there. I visited last year with some

27:50 friends of ours and you know you go down and you get a massage

27:54 for like $7.00 for an hour, so twice a day.

27:58 Obviously. Yeah.

27:59 You know, so it's that kind of thing, you know, it's cheap,

28:02 cheap sort of holiday once you're there, really great food,

28:06 really great people, beautiful weather.

28:08 Yeah, I can understand the appeal of living there, although

28:11 I can also understand not wanting to educate your children

28:14 in a third world country. Maybe this is the thing I mean,

28:17 and that's the thing with with Bali and I, I, I struggle with

28:19 that with certain places where we we do venture to for these

28:23 cheap, you know, luxurious holidays because there's always

28:26 that side of things where it is, it's luxury and all these sorts

28:29 of things that we're splashing money around.

28:30 Well, you know, the little bit of money we have to spend on

28:32 holidays or what have you. But then over the other side of

28:34 that is, you know, can be some very poor living condition.

28:37 Absolutely for the workers, which I really find hard.

28:41 Yeah, I don't cope well with that.

28:43 So I think that's why I don't choose often to travel like

28:46 places like that. I don't know but.

28:47 Then I I totally. Then if we don't have the

28:49 tourist dollars exactly, they don't have anything.

28:51 At all during. COVID they yes, they were in

28:54 absolute dice was people were, you know, starving like yeah,

28:58 because there was no money. No, tourist like tourism is

29:01 their main industry. And yeah, without tourism

29:05 there's no money. No, it's really it's, it's a

29:07 really hard. That's it.

29:09 I find. I really just find that, yeah, I

29:11 struggle with it. Yeah, I get it.

29:12 Yeah. But I mean, obviously because

29:13 the other thing that has really impacted Bali, which is around

29:16 this time that we're looking at is the Bali bombings, which is

29:19 obviously potentially another story we can do another day.

29:21 But yeah, because that's that's a huge one.

29:23 But because that impacted obviously tourism in terms of

29:26 like, do we want to travel there when these sorts of things have

29:28 happened? So I feel like.

29:30 This case impacted that too. Absolutely, it's gay people are

29:33 scare in terms of and this and this is a thing again, we can

29:37 talk about it more about travel itself, you know, into other

29:40 countries, you know, your own country's laws and things like

29:43 that. But you always have to know that

29:44 if you're when you're travelling that you need to abide by other

29:47 countries rules. Yeah.

29:48 I will never forget the day when I first travelled

29:50 internationally on my own and landed in Hong Kong and we got

29:54 out of the we're just doing really transferring.

29:56 We're only sort of staying there for a day.

29:58 But walked out of the off the plane through the airport and

30:01 the security through the airport were carrying these massive

30:04 guns. And I had a bit of a flip out,

30:06 like intimidating of like, Oh my God.

30:08 Like, you know, not in Kansas anymore.

30:11 Like at a moment of like, you know, like, oh, wow, the world

30:14 is, you know, different elsewhere.

30:16 Yeah. And it's not wrong.

30:18 It's a culture shock. Yeah, and the thing?

30:20 Is it's not wrong, it's just different, Yeah.

30:22 You have to accept those things when you're travelling.

30:24 So that's all part of it is absolutely, yeah, for sure.

30:28 So where are we? We're at Chappelle leaving.

30:32 She's left her marriage. Her.

30:34 Marriage gone via Bali, and she's come back to her home in

30:38 the Gold Coast. Yeah, she enrolled in.

30:40 Beauty school. Yeah, this time.

30:41 Yeah. She didn't quite finish, so I

30:43 think she completed two out of the four units to become a

30:47 beautician. Yeah.

30:49 She dropped out because her father, Mick, was diagnosed with

30:52 cancer and she became his carer. Yeah.

30:56 And so she started working at the.

30:57 Fish and chip shop with her, her mum that she owned again, so

31:01 Australia, so Australia and also working at Kohl's again.

31:04 I think she went back to working at Kohl's as well as that, that

31:07 time. Well, I think she needed a bit

31:08 more. Flexibility in what she was

31:09 doing so that she could be available for her dad when he

31:11 needed it during the day more so than anything.

31:14 So she was working fish and chip shop after, you know, during the

31:18 dinner rush, I think, and then Kohl's on the weekends.

31:20 And when there was someone else to look after her dad.

31:23 Yeah, it sounded like he actually became quite

31:25 debilitated very, very quickly, which is interesting.

31:30 Yeah, I don't. Know varying counts on that.

31:33 Yeah, well, to to. Completely derail what you're

31:37 studying and. To take on a carer.

31:40 Who's a child is a very significant decision and you

31:43 would think there'd be a significant health outcome being

31:47 the reason for that. But anyway, that's that will get

31:50 we will 100% still get to that. Yeah.

31:52 All right. This now brings us to the 8th of

31:55 October in 2004. Chappelle's age, 27.

32:00 She decides to go to Bali for two reasons.

32:03 First reason being Mercedes 30th birthday.

32:06 Yeah. And the second reason was

32:08 because she'd been caring for her dad and she needed a break

32:12 and decided this would be a nice way to go.

32:15 I also think that at this time. It was kind of this is where he

32:17 started to decline, as in I think prior to this she was

32:21 like, it was all a bit of a family shock that he was sick

32:23 and what they didn't really know what he was going to happen for

32:26 him and what it was looking like.

32:28 Yeah. I think he'd been told it could

32:29 be a month, could could be a week, could be a month, could be

32:32 years. Don't know.

32:32 We're gonna, you know. So I think it was appointments.

32:34 It was all those sorts of things, more so that she was

32:37 caring for prior to this point. Whereas it was basically the

32:41 thought process of like they'd sort of had a bit more results

32:43 on things and that things were going to maybe decline after

32:47 this that go take a break while you can because things might get

32:50 tougher, right? Yeah, that makes sense.

32:52 Yeah, so Qantas Flight 5 O1 Brisbane to Sydney then they

32:59 were going to go from Sydney to Denpasar, Yeah.

33:02 There were four people travelling.

33:04 In her party, so it was Chappelle, there was Katrina

33:07 Richards, who was aged 17. She was a preschool teacher and

33:10 she also worked part time at the family's fish and chip shop.

33:14 Ellie Macomb, who was 25 years of age, she was a friend and

33:18 former flatmate of Chappelle's. They've been friends for about

33:21 four years or so. And then Chappelle's half

33:24 brother James, who was only 16 years old and a year 11 student

33:27 at the time, Roz. So the night before they had all

33:31 stayed at Roz's house and because she was driving them to

33:35 the airport, they had a very, very early flight to catch.

33:39 They tried to get a. Flight that was direct to Bali?

33:41 Apparently yes, but for whatever reason, I don't think they

33:46 weren't. I don't think there were many

33:47 direct flights from at that time from Brisbane because they were

33:50 flying Australian airlines and I think Australian airlines, they

33:53 helped internationally you go through.

33:55 Sydney, yeah. Sydney yeah, so.

33:57 The night before, they've had a sleep over at Rosa's house

33:59 because they ended up being dropped at the airport a bit

34:04 after 5:00 AM. What the?

34:08 Account is from Chappelle and the other three members of the

34:12 travelling party was that that night they were sort of all

34:15 packing their bags, getting everything ready.

34:18 And Chappelle had packed her boogie board bag and zipped it

34:23 up and everything was kind of ready to go.

34:26 The next morning. They were putting together their

34:28 last, you know, shoving your toothbrush and whatever else you

34:31 used that morning. And Ellie says that she forgot

34:35 that she'd borrowed Chappelle's flippers.

34:38 Now, I don't know why you'd need flippers in Melbourne, sorry, in

34:43 Brisbane. Like, what?

34:45 Had she been swimming the day before?

34:48 You use flippers of heavy. If you're if you're into that

34:51 sort of stuff, yeah, OK. I would say yeah.

34:53 Anyway, she borrowed Chappelle's flippers.

34:55 Remember, we don't have an issue with the whole.

34:56 Flipper thing that it's the fact of taking the fucking thing to

34:59 Bali to begin with Yeah well that's weird.

35:01 It gets me, isn't it? To me that although I did I.

35:04 Actually did look this up a bit because that got me to like, how

35:07 the fuck would you take a boogie board to Bali when you can

35:09 either hire one or buy one there for probably $5?

35:12 Yeah, but if you're a super into your boogie boarding or boogie

35:16 boarding, but you're super. Into and she wasn't.

35:19 Well, I don't think that to. That degree, I mean, sorry, OK,

35:23 my family was super into body boarding, OK, right.

35:28 I can categorically, categorically, Oh my God,

35:33 categorically tell you there is no way that either of my

35:37 brothers would have gone to Bali and taken their very expensive

35:41 and well used body boards. Yeah, that's right.

35:45 Because there is a difference when I'm talking about a body

35:47 board and a boogie board. Yes, because a boogie board is a

35:50 piece of shit, is a foam. A body board is a serious bit of

35:54 it's like, it's like a surfboard.

35:55 It's equivalent to a surfboard. And I understand they they would

35:59 not have taken them, but people do.

36:01 Take like I've seen people when we've gone to Balik, not not

36:04 body boards, but surfboards, absolutely surf, no.

36:06 Surfboard is. It needs to be a right size.

36:09 It needs to be the right way. Well.

36:11 When I was no they are. Well, not when you when you read

36:15 the body board things if you're a pro body.

36:18 Board are yeah yes anything below that no yeah literally

36:23 literally anyway I fully. Agree.

36:26 Why the fuck were you taking your body board for two weeks?

36:28 So there was. Anyway, so Ellie.

36:31 Well, Ellie then says she forgot that she'd borrowed Chappelle's

36:34 flippers, puts them in the bag that morning.

36:37 No, sorry. She gives them to Chappelle.

36:39 Yeah. When they're at the boot of the

36:40 car, in the garage, at Ross's house and Chappelle opens the

36:44 bag in front of them, throws them in, throws them.

36:46 In shuts the. Zips it up.

36:49 All the way to the edge. Yeah, yeah.

36:52 That's important. Anyway, Ros then drops.

36:55 Them at the airport and some photo of them at the.

36:58 Airport that Rosalie takes like, you know, supposedly the last

37:02 photo of them all together and the last photo where you see

37:04 Chappelle. Happy.

37:04 Yeah. Oh, that's what, yeah.

37:06 That's right. That's what she says.

37:07 Yeah, Last. Time we've seen.

37:09 Chappelle happy. Yeah, at 5:33 AM CCTV shows the

37:13 group checking their bags in at So they fly.

37:17 They flew A Qantas flight from Brisbane to to Sydney and then

37:20 it was an Australian Airlines flight from Sydney to Denpasar.

37:23 Yeah, they checked 4 bags, 3 suitcases and this boogie board

37:29 bag. The boogie board bag had to go.

37:31 Over to the desk no one ever wants to go to over the

37:35 oversized but. Before they did that, they

37:38 weighed all four bags together right at the checking theater.

37:41 Yeah. So they weighed the three

37:42 suitcases and the boogie board bag, and they totalled a weight

37:45 of 65 kilos. Yeah.

37:48 Then Chappelle had to. Schlep over to the special

37:51 whatever the oversized baggage size baggage area.

37:53 Yep, Yep, as you're void that like the plague.

37:57 I've had to do that with like. Pushes and prayers and shit.

38:00 Yeah, it's the worst. It is the worst.

38:03 And check it in there. That was all fine.

38:05 They go through customs, go go immigration and they Oh no,

38:11 sorry, this was a domestic flight.

38:12 They fly from Brisbane to Sydney, everything's all hunky

38:15 Dory and connecting flight off. From Sydney, their bags were

38:18 checked. Through from Brisbane all the

38:21 way through to Denpasar. So it's not like they had to go

38:24 to Sydney, collect their bags and recheck them.

38:25 It was checked all the way through.

38:27 Yeah. What we?

38:28 Know. Is that when they arrived at

38:33 Denpasar roughly 12 hours later, Yeah. 2:30.

38:38 PM local time they arrived. There is.

38:42 Obviously the thing that we all know well, first of all.

38:46 She collects the bags off of the baggage carousel and everything,

38:49 including the boogie board. Yep, and she notices that one of

38:53 the straps is ripped. Not uncommon on baggage things.

38:58 I mean, God, how many times rough a day?

39:00 With stuff, watching those videos.

39:02 Yeah, it's like crazy. They're like throwing.

39:04 Sheets. Like anyone, it's got fragile

39:06 written off. Yeah, fragile.

39:09 Schmagile. Oh God.

39:12 So she collects it, notices that, and so with that, she's

39:15 in. Now this is where I get a little

39:17 bit confused. Wait, this is from her book.

39:19 Like this is her story of this is that she then is trying to

39:22 manage her boogie board and her luggage, but there were three

39:26 bags and four people or 4 bags and four.

39:29 People 3 bags. Four people and the boogie

39:32 board, right? So therefore, that's one bag per

39:33 person, right? Yeah.

39:35 So. For whatever reason, oh, someone

39:37 says she's trying to drag along this boogie board that's got

39:40 this broken strap on it or whatever that she, that one of

39:43 her friends says Ellie James. Yeah, help Chappelle.

39:46 And so then he's like, oh, OK and grabs her boogie board bag

39:50 from her so that she's only carrying her luggage bag.

39:54 Yeah, where's who's overloading with bags when there's only, I

39:58 don't know, I mean this. Is what travelling with the 16

40:00 year old boys probably like? What?

40:02 So he had nothing. I don't know, I'll probably.

40:04 Probably had his own backpack. The book it ranks out as.

40:06 If he's also trying got more things.

40:08 But anyway, no I don't. I mean.

40:10 I don't, I don't know that I mean 16 year old boys, who do

40:13 they think about but themselves True, true that.

40:15 But what what we know is. The the passage of these bags,

40:19 right. So that's very keenly known, but

40:22 there are certain gaps in information.

40:24 Yeah, right. Yes, so in Sydney the bag

40:28 arrived into Bay 5 and was sent over to PSC.

40:34 So Bay 5 is a domestic Bay that the luggage comes into?

40:39 Yep. PSC is.

40:42 An international Bay that obviously bags are sent out So

40:48 what happened is the bags come through we know they all got

40:51 scanned so all four bags were scanned at Sydney airport yes

40:55 and there were three suitcases and this special item which

40:59 actually came out last and therefore went into a luggage

41:07 storage thing with a canvas flap on the ground in Sydney all

41:12 right so because the because the body board bag had been too big

41:20 to go on the conveyor belt it was manually taken from the

41:24 plane that had come from Brisbane manually taken to the

41:30 PSC right ready to board the plane to denpasar we.

41:37 Know that at. 8:18 AM The bag was put into a specific baggage

41:43 canister. Yeah.

41:44 And that just by chance happened to have two of the two of the

41:48 three suitcases in this same canister.

41:50 OK, just by by chance, so also. Then sorry, what you're saying

41:54 is that no one else flying to Bali had a body board bag,

41:58 correct? So just standing.

42:00 By the fact why the fuck does she take a body board bag?

42:03 Wouldn't there be lots of people carrying them and lots of people

42:05 on those flights with them if that was something that people

42:07 did? I guess, yeah.

42:11 Well, no, it was the only one, yeah.

42:15 It was scanned. So the body board bag was the

42:17 70th and last or second to last I think item scanned into that

42:22 particular canister. Now.

42:25 This canister. Had a canvas flap.

42:27 It was not locked in any way. It was then left on the tarmac

42:30 for 97 minutes before it was then loaded on to the Australian

42:35 Airlines flight from Sydney to Denpasar.

42:39 And they can track all this but. No, but no CCTV footage has

42:42 actually been viewed of that. No, no.

42:44 The reason? Being that CCTV was wiped within

42:47 72 hours, so it was just on a loop.

42:49 Yeah. And they only kept the

42:51 recordings for 72 hours. Yeah, I believe the Qantas

42:54 baggage handlers kept it for longer, but it was still too

42:58 late before they were. Well, there's even conjecture,

43:01 conjecture around that. Yeah.

43:03 So that just gives you a bit of an idea.

43:04 Oh, the other thing I just wanted to note actually at this

43:06 point, if you're a baggage handler or if you've got

43:10 clearance to be on a tarmac at any Australian airport,

43:15 international or domestic, you are not screened going into or

43:20 out of work. You don't have to go through any

43:23 metal detectors. You don't have to put your bag

43:25 through. Is that still to this day?

43:27 No, I believe that's. Changed.

43:29 Yeah, that's changed now, but back.

43:30 Then that's yeah, that's what it was.

43:31 There was no. Nothing.

43:32 You could just. If you had the right pass, you

43:34 could just come and go. Work, please.

43:36 You've been. Cleared previously, therefore

43:37 that was enough in their eyes. Yep, that's what they thought.

43:40 I mean, you know, time you learn things.

43:43 Yeah. What have you?

43:44 And things have been changed, procedures have changed.

43:45 But now at that point in time, it was a belief of these people

43:48 are trusted, therefore they can do.

43:50 And. Yeah, Now James. 16 years of

43:54 age, he's decided that he's actually going through a bit of

43:58 a bodybuilding phase. Oh yeah, we all go through

44:00 bodybuilding phases in our life. And he brought with him to to

44:06 Denpasar 3030 cans of tuna. 16 I'm.

44:13 All for. Diversity in a diet and I get

44:16 that he wants to bulk, but you know, there's like there's

44:19 chicken in. There's chicken in.

44:23 Bali yeah, I'm sure you can get tuna in.

44:25 I'm pretty sure you'd probably buy tuna, but.

44:26 Yeah, but he's decided. To take 30 cans.

44:29 So he's had to go, he's had to declare it.

44:31 I mean, it's perfectly. He's able to bring it in.

44:33 There's no issue with it, but you just have to declare it.

44:35 Yeah, so they've. Gone.

44:37 But The thing is, when the bags come off the plane, this is

44:41 standard operating procedure. Any International Airport that

44:43 you go to, I believe even domestic in most countries as

44:46 well these days, your bags actually go through X-ray.

44:50 Yeah, at Denpasar Airport. They don't take photos, though.

44:54 The machines that they've got are literally just X-ray

44:56 machines that are passing. It through and then it's done.

44:59 That's right. Whereas in.

45:00 Australia, we've got the technology that if there's

45:03 something suspicious, it actually takes a photo so that

45:05 they've got full record of what's happened.

45:07 Yeah, they didn't have that technology in Bali at the time.

45:10 Whether they do now or not, I actually don't.

45:12 No, I would. I would assume so.

45:14 I would say that'd. Be that would 20 increase their

45:16 security measures, surely, Yeah, I would think so, yeah.

45:19 Because I mean in in. This we are talking, this is

45:22 after Bali bombing, this is after September 11.

45:24 You know, we, we have already moved towards a more secure,

45:28 somewhat obviously secure system in terms of domestic flights.

45:32 So sure. Yeah, yeah.

45:34 So. What the X-ray has shown is that

45:38 there was some kind of plant matter in this boogie board bag,

45:42 a body board bag, sorry. And so the customs officers have

45:46 kind of called them over to have their bags checked.

45:49 Oh my God, that is such a fucking.

45:51 You just feel like a criminal immediately.

45:54 And you're like, I don't have any, do I?

45:56 Oh God, what have I packed? You know?

45:58 Yeah, that's my dad. Like my dad often is gets

46:03 checked are some I think it's just like the way it looks bit

46:06 of a bike in it. Yeah.

46:07 Like, yeah. And so if you're travelling with

46:11 dad, I always try and stay a few people behind because I'm like,

46:14 I don't want to get I don't want to get caught up in this.

46:17 But yeah. So they've had their boogie bog.

46:20 Sorry, they've obviously been flagged to be checked.

46:25 Now there's this is where. The story separates, yeah.

46:30 There's. The customs office's account and

46:33 there's Chappelle and her group, her travelling groups account of

46:37 what happened next. All right, next page.

46:43 So. The customs.

46:46 Officer says because Jane, as you said, as you were explaining

46:49 before, James has the bag and he's pulling it along for

46:53 Chappelle and sort of. Looking at him to be, you know,

46:56 spoken to about this, Yeah. Which I mean, to Chappelle's

47:00 credit, she, well, she very much spoke up and said, no, that's

47:03 mine. Yeah.

47:04 You know, like you need to speak to me about that.

47:06 Basically. Not.

47:07 Yeah, not James. Have you seen her interview?

47:09 With Liz Hayes, the 60 Minutes interview where she tells about

47:11 this story and she goes, oh, it's mine.

47:13 I'm just so excited to be here. Yeah, Yeah.

47:16 And I'm like. Yeah, but if you were.

47:18 Being questioned by customs, regardless of whether you knew

47:21 there was something in your bag or not, you're not that excited

47:24 like that. That to me was like red flag.

47:27 Yeah. So what what Chappelle's side of

47:30 the story is, is that she willingly opened the bag

47:34 straight away and saw that there was this 4.1 kilogram bag.

47:40 So we're talking the size of a pillowcase.

47:42 Yeah. Bag of in a translucent space.

47:45 Bag planted. Bag 2 layered.

47:48 Vacuum sealed plastic, although one of the.

47:52 Vacuum seals had broken, had it? There's I think there's varying,

47:58 I think they I think they say that they did that.

48:01 Oh, OK to. Check what it was.

48:04 Wouldn't that be pretty friggin? Obvious.

48:06 Well, they say to Chapelle, what is?

48:07 Well, you have to test it. I.

48:08 Guess to make sure. Like, I mean, you can't just go

48:10 that's marijuana, but it's actually grass clippings, yeah.

48:14 So this is Chapelle's account. They say to her, what's that?

48:18 She says it's marijuana. And they and they say, how do

48:21 you know that? And she says, because I can

48:23 smell it. Yeah, yeah.

48:25 Which you would. Like even through a double

48:27 bagged whatever, you could 100% smell it.

48:30 Oh you there's a definite smell. Yeah, like there's it's

48:33 unmistakable. OK, so the customs officer,

48:38 though, says that he asked. So Chappelle said she willingly

48:41 opened it without even being asked.

48:43 Yeah, well, I think she she. Said something along the lines

48:45 of like, can you open it so she opened like a top pocket on it.

48:49 Like there's like separate pockets.

48:50 Yeah, that's what he says. But then.

48:51 And then he said no. The bigger one, Yeah.

48:54 And then so then she's gone to do that and then gone.

48:57 And she says as she's opened that bigger one, she's seen this

49:03 in there and just sort of done the whole that's, that's not

49:07 mine like and backed off, he says.

49:10 So the customs officer says that as he asked her to open the main

49:15 part of the bag, she says no, no, no, I have some.

49:19 And with that, he's opened the bag and seen the marijuana.

49:22 Yeah, that's what he and. Four other officers agree with

49:27 his side of that. Now it's it's.

49:31 Probably worth noting at the minute as well, at this time

49:34 James is not there. No, James and Chappelle have

49:38 actually been separated. The other because the other.

49:40 And the other two people that were on the flight with them,

49:43 they were allowed to get go through.

49:44 And that, that's a very interesting thing too.

49:46 I find that they didn't then go, hey, let's check all of your

49:49 travelling party's luggage like they didn't check any.

49:52 Of the suitcases, None of the suitcases.

49:54 Got checked. They were like basically we

49:55 found it all like I mean, wouldn't oh, you know what I

49:57 mean? Like there is something in that

49:59 that I kind of procedure to be. Like, let's check every single

50:02 thing this party, this party's brought with you like it?

50:04 Could there could be more in other bags?

50:06 Pills in the bag or something? Else in the bag, but the others

50:08 were just like. No, no, you guys can go.

50:10 We just want this now like so. Katrina's account of that is,

50:13 Yep, she was shitting herself. Like she was so worried.

50:17 They knew Mercedes was waiting at the airport for them to pick

50:20 them up. And so they were like, well,

50:22 yeah, we're gonna have to go and figure out what's going on here.

50:25 With that, they do take so Ellie and Katrina because they've

50:28 detained James and Chappelle. Ellie and Katrina then let

50:33 through the airport and they find Mercedes.

50:36 Katrina says she stayed with those 3 bags and did not let

50:39 them out of her sight because she was like some what if

50:42 something's going on here that I don't know about?

50:45 So she's, you know, beside herself.

50:47 They, they all were, they've finally allowed Mercedes to come

50:51 in and be like, I don't know, see Chappelle and James and

50:56 Mercedes account of this is that she then says to them, weigh all

51:00 of the bags. Why aren't you weighing all of

51:02 the bags to see if it matches what they were weighed at?

51:05 Yeah, the 65 kilos at Sydney. Airport, at Brisbane Airport, I

51:08 mean. And they said, oh, it's too.

51:10 Late. They've gone out of the airport,

51:12 yeah. So that's.

51:14 Interesting. Yeah, that throws up.

51:15 To me, that alone throws up some reasonable doubt.

51:18 Why wouldn't you? Yeah, weigh all of those bags?

51:20 Because 4.1 kilos is a significant difference.

51:24 Well, this is the other thing. That's the thing.

51:26 Wouldn't you pick that up? And no, I mean, if you're such a

51:29 big boogie boarder that you have to take your boogie board with

51:33 you, you know what that boogie board weighs.

51:35 So I've I've. Written here, surely you'd

51:38 notice the difference in 4 kilos extra.

51:41 So you wouldn't know. Like professional, because I'm

51:44 assuming this is a professional body board.

51:46 I think so the OK, even if not the average professional body

51:50 board can weigh between 15 and 35 kilos.

51:53 And it's based on your body weight is to what?

51:56 And she was a slight person, so I'm guessing she's going to be

51:58 at the lower end of those. Would have barely been. 15

52:01 kilos, so you would notice. Another 4 kilos on that?

52:04 Absolutely. OK.

52:07 What the fuck? Why aren't you picking that up

52:09 and going? Oh, weird, that feels really

52:11 heavy. Yeah.

52:15 Seriously. I'm.

52:16 Sorry, you would have known that difference in that, that way

52:19 enough to kind of go, oh, that's weird and open it up already,

52:22 she also says. Immediately to the customs

52:24 officers. Oh, someone must have placed

52:26 that in there. Yeah.

52:27 Which again, I'm like, oh, I guess I I try and put myself in

52:31 her shoes in a way because I'm like, if this happened to me, I

52:34 would think the same thing. Like someone's put it there.

52:36 I haven't put it there maybe, but then knew someone was gonna.

52:39 Put it there. Yeah, Like, did she?

52:43 Yeah. So I, I, I that I can't, I

52:46 really can't consolidate in my brain.

52:48 Same that you didn't know that that weight was different.

52:50 Yeah. The other thing is that

52:53 typically even back then it was meant to be that bags were

52:58 weighed individually, not the whole parties bags were weighed.

53:02 So unfortunately that would have been another Ave. of just

53:05 weighing that item, especially with it being a separate item in

53:08 that it's a bulky item that's going through a different hole

53:12 in the wall kind of thing, both off to the planes that that

53:14 should have been weighed and then weighed again.

53:16 They could have simply just then weighed on the other end to go

53:19 OK, well, she checked a bag that was X number of kilos and now

53:23 it's 4.2 kilos heavier on our end.

53:26 That says something's happened in between 2:00.

53:28 So that could have been very easily resolved there as well.

53:31 For sure the. Other thing worth noting, and

53:33 you see this when you're researching or looking at this

53:35 case, is that around this time, and in fact on the day that they

53:40 left Sydney Airport, there were baggage handlers that were

53:45 arrested by the federal police for drug trafficking, cocaine

53:50 and heroin, yes. However, it was mostly

53:54 international importation. Yes, there was some domestic

53:59 transport included in this, but the main issue was actually

54:03 importing heroin and cocaine. There was a large shipment.

54:06 On that exact day that they went through Sydney Airport.

54:10 Yep. So just just.

54:13 Another thing like it's it is it's another thing that just

54:16 muddies the water it does and as you.

54:18 Alluded to at the beginning like that, there's all this

54:21 reasonable doubt being then to me in those four points of, you

54:24 know, interest for sure, yeah. I just want to get into oh,

54:28 actually we'll get into that in a minute.

54:31 The the federal police did release a statement.

54:33 This was around the time of Chappelle's trial, so months and

54:37 months later, where they say there was recognized criminal

54:40 activity on the day for drug dealers using unsuspecting

54:44 travellers who are often none the wiser.

54:47 So this was part of this investigation that the

54:50 Australian Federal Police were doing at the time, and they were

54:54 actually using innocent travellers as mules, unbeknownst

54:59 to them, because they checked their bag, they'd put in the

55:02 drugs into a bag, take a photo of the bag, send photo to the

55:05 dodgy baggage handler, other end, other end.

55:08 And they take the drugs out before the bags even went out.

55:11 So you wouldn't even know that your bag had been used for that

55:14 purpose. Yeah.

55:15 And that was just part of this investigation that the

55:19 Australian Federal Police were executing on and around.

55:22 Yes, this time that was. It was a well.

55:24 Known thing that was going well. Not well known.

55:26 I was well known by the Australian Federal Police.

55:27 Not correct. Well known.

55:28 Oh no, it. Wasn't public.

55:29 It was not public knowledge. Prior to that, but if the

55:32 federal police had said that, yes, this was something they

55:34 were aware of and they were working on at the time of this

55:38 occurring, yeah, Yeah. So.

55:41 From, to my mind, there were four major issues in the way

55:45 this was handled, and I'm talking issues for both parties.

55:49 Yeah, I'm not just saying this is an issue for Chapelle or not,

55:52 just saying this is an issue for the Bali Customs and Bali

55:55 judiciary. First thing, customs officers

55:58 handled the bag without gloves. Yes, and they so Mercedes asked

56:03 for the bag to be fingerprinted. She was then told too many

56:07 people have touched it. What we know though, what

56:10 Chappelle also? Says is that.

56:11 So when that was opened up and she was in that room in the

56:14 customs area and it was like, you know, everyone was kind of

56:16 around the IT was, it was a buzz or they've found someone,

56:19 they've got someone. All these people were coming in

56:21 and taking samples of it. Yeah.

56:24 Samples for testing, but they were tested.

56:26 No, never. Tested.

56:27 Yeah, we can get to that too maybe.

56:29 More in the in the court trial, but that's interesting.

56:31 Yeah. Yeah.

56:34 So there was lots of hands on that bag and Chappelle

56:37 absolutely corroborates that. But yes, there were lots of

56:39 hands going on that bag. But if they'd been tested, were

56:42 her fingerprints on it at all? And that they never actually

56:45 were able to find out. No, we don't know to this.

56:47 Day that her fingerprints run. That bag or the inner bag?

56:50 Yes. The SO.

56:52 Chappelle's lawyer Lily Sriraya Lubis and her assistant Vasu

56:58 Rasaya pushed the director of Bali Narcotics Bureau.

57:02 His name is Bambang Sugiato. To test because they were like

57:07 this will prove or disprove whether she's touched it.

57:09 We just wanna we don't care how many other fingerprints are

57:12 there. We just wanna know if her

57:13 fingerprints are there. Yeah, they refused.

57:15 Well, there's. Also rumour that the Australian

57:18 government also offered to do similar testing of not only the

57:22 fingerprinting but also of the actual marijuana, because there

57:27 is adna link that you can have of, of marijuana.

57:29 So you can basically by testing the marijuana, they could have

57:33 found out a number of things, how it was grown, whether it was

57:35 hydroponically grown or not hydroponically, they're very.

57:38 Very well, yeah. From photographs, people.

57:40 Have looked at that and decided that it's hydroponically grown

57:43 however high quality apparently so they but they could determine

57:47 that inconclusively like basically by doing the DNA

57:49 testing of it but they could also from the DNA testing of it

57:52 be able to say oh that was grown locally in Bali or whether it

57:56 was grown you know in southern Queensland or you know or also

58:01 have maybe we have found exactly where it was grown and who by

58:06 because of maybe being able to link it up as closely as that

58:09 now so the Australian federal government did apparently offer

58:12 to do all that there is rumour that Chappelle herself refused

58:17 that I I. Did read that, now the

58:21 reasoning. Behind her refusal apparently

58:23 was because that the testing that they would do, the

58:26 Australian federal government absolutely said we will do it.

58:30 But please understand, whatever the results are, they'll be

58:32 shared with not only you but also the Indonesians.

58:35 So it would be basically better brought to court by the

58:37 prosecution or defence. What the outcome was, you have

58:40 to be, she had to be entirely 100% sure that you want me to

58:45 want us to do it because it could absolutely prove your

58:48 innocence. But you never know what comes

58:50 back. Might but then help them.

58:53 It might have, but The thing is, even if it was found to be grown

58:57 in southern QLD, it doesn't actually mean.

59:00 I mean it sure points to something more, but it's not.

59:04 It's not a proven thing, no, but they could have maybe.

59:08 Because there was someone who was arrested, yeah.

59:10 That they could have linked. It literally, yeah, OK.

59:13 Actual. Samples that they had already,

59:15 right. OK, Yeah.

59:17 OK. Yeah, interesting.

59:20 My second issue, the bags were never reweighed.

59:23 We've talked about this at Denpasar.

59:27 All of the bags. Were checked under Chappelle's

59:29 name, not that that really makes a difference.

59:31 She was just the main. She did all of the bookings and

59:33 all of that, so that that doesn't really have anything to

59:35 do with it. Third issue, CCTV at Denpasar

59:39 was not recorded or not handed over to her.

59:43 Apparently it was. Available and the the judge in

59:46 the trial actually stated we'll use it if we need to OK, so but

59:50 her defense. Never saw it.

59:51 No, it was never so they. Don't know so the.

59:54 CCTV should be able to show how the opening of the bag happened

59:58 at at the customs area and it would have corroborated either

1:00:00 Chappelle's story, yeah or the customs absolutely story.

1:00:04 Yes they we don't. We withheld and never.

1:00:07 Shown to anyone and why? Yeah, interesting.

1:00:10 Yeah, again. See, it's like this tit to tat.

1:00:13 Like you, you hear one thing and you're like, Oh yeah, and then

1:00:16 you hear another thing, you're like, Oh no, you know.

1:00:18 Well, because I think it's really.

1:00:19 Important to note here of just in terms of Indonesia and their

1:00:22 laws, drug trafficking and anything to do with drugs,

1:00:25 anything drug related is considered the absolute worst

1:00:29 offence. Like they're they're apparently

1:00:31 in their jails. Something like 78% of people who

1:00:36 are in jail are there on drug charges.

1:00:38 Yep. They just, they have absolutely

1:00:41 no tolerance whatsoever for drugs in their legal system.

1:00:47 So The thing is with this, that with when it becomes to when it

1:00:50 comes to drugs, their laws are basically possession equals

1:00:53 guilty. Yep.

1:00:54 And not only. That we in Australia here always

1:00:57 have no, regardless of that is innocent until proven guilty.

1:01:01 When it comes to drugs in Indonesia and their legal

1:01:03 system, you are guilty until proven innocent.

1:01:06 So therefore it is so typically here in Australia, if this was

1:01:09 here, it would be a court case where she just basically doesn't

1:01:13 have to prove anything. It's up to the prosecution to

1:01:15 prove that that was hers and that she put it in there and

1:01:18 that, you know, it had to, it would have to be proven all

1:01:20 those aspects. Whereas in Indonesia it was on

1:01:23 her to prove that it wasn't hers and she didn't put it there.

1:01:27 So that is a completely different story.

1:01:29 That's also. Impossible.

1:01:31 When you're not given access to the things, they might prove

1:01:34 you're in a really, really, you're up, you're pushing.

1:01:36 Shit up a hill. Oh shit, absolutely.

1:01:38 They were. Yeah.

1:01:40 And then the fourth thing. Is that the X-ray machine didn't

1:01:43 take photos. There was no image to show if

1:01:46 the marijuana was there when it went through the X-ray machine

1:01:48 in Bali. Yeah.

1:01:50 So again, they're not quite sure what's going on.

1:01:52 No. James is released and because

1:01:56 Chappelle assumes full responsibility for that bag and

1:01:59 as you said, possession is 100% the law there.

1:02:05 So the fact that that she that the bag was in her possession,

1:02:10 then, you know, James is innocent according to their

1:02:13 laws. Yeah.

1:02:14 She's taken to Hotel K or the Corbicon prison, and she's in

1:02:19 this tiny room with 85 women. Oh, it's so that.

1:02:23 Corbicon is just awful. You can look at.

1:02:26 Photos. Absolutely.

1:02:27 So the place. Was built for 300 inmates, men

1:02:31 and women. In 2017, there were 1700 inmates

1:02:40 being held there. Like it's not just over

1:02:44 capacity, it's so. Crowded.

1:02:46 Absolutely. Crowded.

1:02:48 You can't even. Like, they sleep on the floor.

1:02:51 Yeah. And they're all in this, like,

1:02:53 packed like sardines into into this one tiny room.

1:02:58 There's one toilet that's open to the room.

1:03:00 Like, there's no privacy whatsoever.

1:03:03 Yeah. Chappelle talks about like

1:03:05 having a period when she was there.

1:03:06 There's no access to any hygiene product or medical attention.

1:03:10 No medical attention. No, they ended up having to

1:03:14 appeal to because she suffered a great deal of mental illness

1:03:20 throughout where I'm getting a little bit ahead, but yeah,

1:03:23 anyway, so let's go through her trial.

1:03:24 Do you think? Yeah, I was just gonna say in

1:03:26 terms of. Crobicon just interesting little

1:03:28 facts because it's such a horrendous place.

1:03:30 You, you know, people want to escape, right?

1:03:32 So there was actually a number of escape attempts or regular

1:03:36 escape attempts, but a coupled note.

1:03:38 So in June 2017, four prisoners, including an Australian, did

1:03:43 manage to escape. They dug a hole under a wall

1:03:46 that was 50 centimetres wide, 50 centimetres by 75 centimetres

1:03:50 right and went for 15 metres. And they so they escaped.

1:03:56 For phobia. So yeah, Sean Davidson, an

1:03:59 Australian bloke, managed to escape a problem that is a tiny.

1:04:02 Little I know I'm like crawling. Through like how would you?

1:04:04 Move your body through that. I don't even know.

1:04:07 I don't want to I think. The claustrophobic would just be

1:04:10 horrendous. Yeah, but somewhat of my

1:04:12 favorite here on the 10th of December in 2017, so later that

1:04:16 same year, two prisoners, Krishan Beasley, who was 32 and

1:04:22 a 57 year old named Paul Anthony Hoffman, both U.S. citizens.

1:04:29 They allegedly they tried to escape.

1:04:31 Unfortunately, Anthony was actually immediately captured

1:04:36 afterwards. So they apparently they thought

1:04:40 that they'd put a ladder up and just climbed over the wall,

1:04:42 which is what the Indonesian people wanted you to believe.

1:04:46 What they actually did, though, was they had carved a hole with

1:04:51 a hacksaw in the roof and climbed through that to escape.

1:04:54 Oh, interesting. Yeah.

1:04:56 So but there was a massive manhunt for the other bloke, but

1:04:58 he was eventually arrested the following year.

1:05:01 So yeah, I didn't quite, quite get.

1:05:04 There, but I guess if you escape.

1:05:05 You're on an. Island, Where are you going to

1:05:07 go? So what was he in jail?

1:05:09 For you think that would make him go, I'm escape.

1:05:11 I'm going to escape jail. What do you think that he might

1:05:13 have been for? Drug charges?

1:05:14 But not just drug drug charges. He had all he had a possession

1:05:18 of all of 5 grams of hashish on him.

1:05:20 Wow. Yeah.

1:05:22 I mean that that is the law there.

1:05:24 Yeah, that is the law. And then the.

1:05:26 Conditions of what you get input, get put in for what

1:05:29 you've done are horrific to the degree of wanting to escape that

1:05:33 badly. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's.

1:05:37 Yeah, as you said at the start, you've got to know the laws of

1:05:40 the country you're travelling to and make you're making a choice

1:05:42 then, especially if you're. Gonna do something illegal?

1:05:45 Yeah. But even if you're not, you need

1:05:46 to be aware of what you absolutely need to be aware of

1:05:49 and protect yourself. That's it, Yeah.

1:05:51 Oh. But.

1:05:53 Hotel K No thanks, mate. No, thank you, God, no thank

1:05:57 you. Right.

1:05:58 So we're now at the trial, which was 3, roughly 3 months later.

1:06:03 It started on the 28th of Jan in 2005.

1:06:07 Right, so. As you said, one, Yeah, sorry,

1:06:10 just in. Terms of her legal team Yep.

1:06:11 So obviously we had Lily who was have mixed accounts on of

1:06:16 whether how great she was. Well, I don't know that she.

1:06:20 Was that great? I've heard she didn't really

1:06:22 like Chappelle. No.

1:06:23 Well, the thing was in and we. Have to say this too, That.

1:06:25 So when this all occurred, the Bolognese people hated

1:06:29 Chappelle? Yeah, they called her the ganja.

1:06:32 Queen. Queen.

1:06:33 Yeah, they were protesting outside of her of the the courts

1:06:37 and things like that, that, you know, that she was a awful

1:06:40 person for what she had done for bringing in this marijuana to

1:06:42 their country. So I wonder whether there was, I

1:06:44 mean, she was a local that whether she true she she too

1:06:48 hated Chappelle and didn't really want to help her.

1:06:50 But yeah, so that was interesting.

1:06:52 But there there was her sidekick Vasu as well, who he literally

1:06:56 had like business cards for every I know a business.

1:06:59 Under the sun an. Engineer a real estate agent?

1:07:03 Hold on, what am I today? What can I give?

1:07:05 You today? Which one?

1:07:06 Of my business cards shall I find I love it it's.

1:07:08 So good, I think. That's hilarious, but the other

1:07:10 person that came on board too for her with her legal team was

1:07:14 Ron Bakia. Now he's a millionaire from

1:07:17 Australia who decided to fund her fund.

1:07:21 Her legal aid? He also put in kicked in about

1:07:24 100 grand for it was $1,000,000 reward for any information

1:07:28 helping them out. So in terms of her court case

1:07:30 and he kicked in 100 grand for that.

1:07:32 They never raised any other money that went towards that,

1:07:34 which is interesting, but he did pay for probably around about

1:07:37 200 grands worth of legal representation for her.

1:07:41 But what he also did was registered trademarks for

1:07:45 chappellecorby.com. Chappelle Corby.

1:07:47 Dot com, dot AU and also Chappelle Corby Inc.

1:07:50 You know, he had grand plans for movie deals, book deals, all

1:07:55 those sorts of things that I think he was hoping to profit

1:07:57 off of afterwards. There was also rumours that they

1:08:01 were her and Chappelle were having him and Chappelle were

1:08:04 having an affair but he was he's just a bit of A and that she got

1:08:08 pregnant to. Him.

1:08:09 Oh, well, that. Yeah, there's that.

1:08:10 That one too, yeah. There's so many unusual rumours.

1:08:13 But he was also, he also accused the prosecution of of asking

1:08:20 them to bribe them. Yeah.

1:08:23 Which? Him coming out with saying that

1:08:25 whether it's true or not, it it could have, I think it oh, it

1:08:29 absolutely had an. Effect had some effect.

1:08:31 On outcomes and things, because, you know, to say that publicly

1:08:34 and accuse people of asking for bribes, he said it about really

1:08:37 something you should say. He said it about the judge, too.

1:08:39 Yeah, that's right. He said that the judge said that

1:08:42 if he gave him money, he would reduce her sentence.

1:08:44 Yes. Yeah.

1:08:45 Well, that's. What he says, that's what.

1:08:47 Yeah, he says. Abused that, yeah.

1:08:50 Yeah. So, yeah, her legal team was

1:08:53 very interesting. Yeah, but there was one other

1:08:57 guy wasn't there too. I can't think of his name.

1:09:00 Someone who's a little bit better, I'm not sure, but the

1:09:02 other. Thing that Chappelle did around

1:09:03 this time is she wrote a letter to our then Prime Minister John

1:09:06 Howard asking for some help and support.

1:09:11 And he basically, he wrote, he wrote it back and basically

1:09:16 said, I wish you all the best and I really hope that the right

1:09:20 judgement comes for you. But you need to understand that

1:09:24 if we had a, an, an international prisoner in our

1:09:28 system accused of such things, we wouldn't be very happy if

1:09:32 that country wanted to interfere with our judiciary.

1:09:36 And so I basically, I wish you all the best.

1:09:39 Thoughts and prayers to you. Which I mean it sounds.

1:09:43 Awful, but I do. I'm not a massive founder on

1:09:46 Howard, but I hope you have to agree with what he said in that

1:09:50 we can't get involved in another country's legal system.

1:09:53 Yeah, but then like. I I think that too.

1:09:55 But then I feel like if I'm in Chappelle's shoes and I am, you

1:09:59 know, and I am innocent, yeah, I would want the support of my

1:10:01 country. That's where.

1:10:03 I know I have to, I know understand that he had

1:10:06 information, Yeah, that pub that the public probably didn't too.

1:10:09 Yeah. Which, yeah, because?

1:10:13 You could probably push AFP agents or potentially you know

1:10:20 that I'm sure they're, I'm sure given the good relationship

1:10:24 between Indonesia and Australia, it wasn't great at this point.

1:10:27 Oh, that's true, actually. Yeah, that is.

1:10:29 True. Yeah, The relationship between

1:10:30 the two countries wasn't great. It was.

1:10:32 It was coming off of the Bali bombings.

1:10:34 Yeah, it was the Bali 9. The Bali.

1:10:36 No, the Bali 9 happened just after this.

1:10:39 Literally during her trial. Yeah.

1:10:41 OK, so. Oh, so even though it could have

1:10:43 actually been happening at the time, Yeah.

1:10:45 So that definitely made a difference.

1:10:46 Absolutely, yeah. OK.

1:10:49 Yeah, OK. Oh my God.

1:10:52 All right, so the defense for Chappelle.

1:10:54 So as you said, she's guilty until proven innocent.

1:10:57 So it's up to her defense to come up with with reasons that

1:11:02 she didn't do this. So they had several points that

1:11:04 they they put across. The first one is why didn't she

1:11:07 lock the bag? If she had of put the marijuana

1:11:11 in herself, why didn't she lock it?

1:11:12 Yeah, and keep it safe? I think it's a fair, fair call.

1:11:15 All of the other 3. Suitcases were locked with

1:11:17 padlocks because back in the day there weren't that many of the

1:11:20 ones that we have now that are built in.

1:11:23 People had padlocks. There was no padlock on the

1:11:25 boogie board case. The fact that the marijuana was

1:11:32 in a clear plastic bag, if you're trying to conceal it, why

1:11:34 wouldn't you wrap it in darker colour?

1:11:37 Maybe try and hide it under something or in something or put

1:11:40 clothes around it? Why would she risk the death

1:11:44 sentence knowing she'd travelled to Bali I think 5 or 6 times

1:11:47 before this, knowing the you know, she knew and her sister

1:11:50 lived there. They knew the laws, they knew

1:11:52 how harsh they were. She had no criminal record, nor

1:11:58 did Mercedes or weigh on. Chapelle didn't have a criminal

1:12:04 record in Australia or in Indonesia.

1:12:09 The Queensland Police and Federal Police had no

1:12:11 intelligence on her stating that she'd been involved in any drug

1:12:14 activity directly. Directly.

1:12:16 Yep, the price of the marijuana. So this is the one that.

1:12:21 Really. Kind of gets me in Brisbane at

1:12:25 the time. Marijuana of this.

1:12:28 Quality, because it was very high quality.

1:12:30 Marijuana apparently was going for $4000 per half kilo, so it's

1:12:34 about $32,000 street value. In Sydney it would have been

1:12:39 double that, so about 60 ish $1000.

1:12:44 In. Bali it would have been about

1:12:46 40% of the 32,000 so it would have been worth about 15 lbs.

1:12:50 So worth less. Taking it over there.

1:12:52 Taking it over there. So why?

1:12:53 Would you take that over when it was supposed to come out in?

1:12:55 Sydney, Sorry. Yeah, well, yeah.

1:12:57 Maybe that's where it was meant to stop.

1:13:04 Yeah, so the, so the. Yeah, so the legal team, they

1:13:06 put what they had to do was put across another possibility of

1:13:11 what had occurred. So what they decided to put

1:13:14 forward was this fact of that baggage handlers were

1:13:17 domestically transporting marijuana from like Brisbane

1:13:22 Airport to Sydney Airport and there.

1:13:24 And that's where that should have come out in Sydney.

1:13:26 And unfortunately, for whatever reason, with the baggage

1:13:29 handlers, it didn't come out in Sydney that day.

1:13:32 Like. So what they're claiming is that

1:13:33 Chappelle had no idea, as we've mentioned earlier, that the AFP

1:13:36 had already identified that unknowingly people were being

1:13:39 used as mules to bring to transport drugs regularly,

1:13:44 different drugs and so. What they were claiming.

1:13:46 Was that, yes, this marijuana had been placed by a baggage

1:13:49 handler not known to Chappelle Corby whatsoever, placed that

1:13:53 into her bag when she checked it in at Brisbane.

1:13:55 That had taken the flight down to Sydney and a baggage handler

1:13:58 in Sydney then should have taken that out of that bag in Sydney.

1:14:01 However, for whatever reason, it didn't come out, so it continued

1:14:04 on to Bali. And so when she's opened up,

1:14:06 they've opened up the bag in Bali, this marijuana is there,

1:14:09 which should never have been there was it should have come

1:14:11 out in Sydney. So, and there was then support

1:14:15 of that from the AFP that, that, that was, you know, claims of

1:14:18 these sorts of things happening. So there were some claims also

1:14:24 by some that that was a, it was a completely fabricated story,

1:14:26 you know, that they were putting together that there was no, no

1:14:29 links to it anywhere. But there were there were

1:14:31 certainly people coming forward saying no, there is the other

1:14:34 bit of evidence they brought to the court was and a man by the

1:14:37 name of John Patrick Ford. Yeah.

1:14:39 So John Patrick Ford was a prisoner in Port Phillip Prison

1:14:42 here in Melbourne who had overheard conversations in jail

1:14:47 between two men, According to him, who had discussed the fact

1:14:51 that they were they knew about the drugs being put into Corby's

1:14:56 bag. They stayed.

1:14:58 He reckoned that the drugs were actually owned by name by, by

1:15:01 men of the name of Ron Vegan, Sir, I think that's how you

1:15:06 spell say it. And that he owned it.

1:15:08 But he the, but John Patrick Ford would never name the person

1:15:12 who was actually meant to take the drugs out in Sydney.

1:15:15 But from what he Yeah, he kept that information to himself.

1:15:17 Apparently he knew it, but he wasn't willing to give it up.

1:15:20 But he reckoned there'd been a mix up for whatever reason and

1:15:23 that yes, it had been left in her bag and therefore the

1:15:25 marijuana ended up in Bali. He was already in jail on some

1:15:32 charges that were being ready to be heard.

1:15:34 So his testimony, I guess he was, he was actually already.

1:15:38 Convicted. He was convicted, but he also.

1:15:40 Had waiting sentencing. Yeah, waiting sentencing.

1:15:43 So the. Indonesians basically

1:15:46 discredited anything he had to say because he was a convicted

1:15:49 drug. Smuggle drug.

1:15:50 He was. Yeah, like convicted for some

1:15:52 kind of drug charge himself. Yes.

1:15:54 Yes. So it actually meant nothing.

1:15:57 He flew, they flew him to Denpasar, to Bali for this, for

1:16:01 the trial, and it went nowhere. Nowhere.

1:16:04 No, it didn't really help. This is the thing where I.

1:16:08 Yeah. So the stuff that I feel like

1:16:09 presented in in court, it was enough to show reasonable doubt.

1:16:13 I really, I do honestly believe that shadow of a doubt.

1:16:16 In my mind, if I was a juror, I mean, yeah, if I were a juror,

1:16:21 yeah, there is no way I would convict.

1:16:23 No chance whatsoever. Based on everything we know at

1:16:26 the moment, yes. However.

1:16:28 In Bali, unfortunately at the time and the judge that was

1:16:33 presiding over this, in their mind she was guilty from the get

1:16:37 go and that they didn't prove enough that she was innocent

1:16:41 which. Is really really.

1:16:45 Hard, I think that that is yeah, it's really tricky what went on.

1:16:49 Yeah, in that respect, their their legal, legal system is

1:16:52 different to ours. Yep.

1:16:54 At the end of the day. So 28th of April 2. 1005,

1:16:58 Chappelle gives a final plea in her case and she actually

1:17:02 addresses the judges directly in that.

1:17:06 And at the end of that she says I am innocent in Indonesian.

1:17:10 Yeah. The verdict came out about a

1:17:12 month later on the 27th of May in 2005.

1:17:15 I remember this so clearly. Yes.

1:17:18 It was broadcast live on Australian TV and in New Zealand

1:17:22 as well, I believe. Yeah.

1:17:23 And she was obviously found guilty of importing narcotics

1:17:26 into Indonesia. They sentenced her to 20 years

1:17:30 in jail and a $13,875 fine or an additional six months in jail if

1:17:36 she couldn't, if she couldn't pay the fine.

1:17:39 So my God, I, I just remember thinking at the time, I

1:17:45 actually, I remember at the time thinking, Oh my God, imagine

1:17:49 being her. Oh.

1:17:50 Absolutely sickening. Yeah, to hear that you know that

1:17:54 read out, she was not in a good place mentally by this stage at

1:18:00 all to then have that confirmed for her.

1:18:02 I mean, we have to also say she could have gotten the death

1:18:05 penalty. That was absolutely on the table

1:18:07 originally. They had spoken and worked out

1:18:11 between the lawyers etcetera that that ended up being taken

1:18:14 off the table. But life in prison equates to 20

1:18:17 years in in Indonesia. So she did get long maximum.

1:18:22 She got the maximum, so it's it was pretty hard to take,

1:18:27 especially when you look at as well.

1:18:29 If this exact same situation had occurred in Australia, the kinds

1:18:33 of sentencing she would have received would have been more

1:18:37 likely around about 6-7 years maximum, probably parole after

1:18:42 like two or three years. With that quantity, it could

1:18:46 have been less. It's would have been

1:18:49 significantly different outcomes.

1:18:52 Guilty, I'm saying, you know, in comparison to a guilty either

1:18:55 side, let alone the fact of there being reasonable doubt

1:18:59 being presented within the courts.

1:19:01 It was here in Australia. So as you said, the burden of.

1:19:03 Proof as well, because the burden of proof is reversed.

1:19:06 That's right. So they would have had to have

1:19:08 proven that she was guilty. Yeah, they would have proven

1:19:10 that there. Was her fingerprints on her

1:19:11 etcetera, which would be, I would have say it was definitely

1:19:14 hers. Yeah, yeah.

1:19:15 So. I think there was a lot of

1:19:18 uproar at the time. Yeah.

1:19:19 Talkback radio blew up. Oh, man.

1:19:21 There were protests at all of the Indonesian embassies and

1:19:25 then, you know, at the prison as well.

1:19:28 People were showing up, like, especially foreign nationals.

1:19:31 Yeah. Who were?

1:19:33 Living in Bali at. The time expats and whatnot were

1:19:36 at the prison just protesting, it obviously didn't do anything,

1:19:40 but people felt very, very strong to be honest.

1:19:42 I think it actually. Pushed the Indonesian government

1:19:44 the other way in terms of being hard being.

1:19:47 Harsher with it and the. More people, more.

1:19:49 The more Australians were saying you're wrong, yeah, the more

1:19:52 they were going to double down. I almost think it did worse

1:19:55 things for her. Yeah, yeah, she she.

1:19:59 Suffered a great deal of mental ill health while she was in

1:20:04 prison. Completely bloody

1:20:07 understandably, Yeah. She spent some time in

1:20:11 hospitals, which they had to absolutely.

1:20:13 Like her family had to fight to get her into hospitals and to

1:20:16 get her treatment because she was suicidal.

1:20:19 Yeah. And she was according.

1:20:21 So her dad died while she was in prison, Yes.

1:20:25 And Mercedes said this was sort of a bit of a catalyst.

1:20:28 She went into this catatonic 2008.

1:20:30 That he passed away, she went into this catatonic.

1:20:32 State Mercedes had to go in and feed her every day, bathe her,

1:20:35 brush her hair. She couldn't do anything really

1:20:37 for herself. She wasn't even talking.

1:20:40 So they really, you know, you can imagine how much that

1:20:43 affected her day-to-day. She did a couple of stints in

1:20:47 hospital and it was just, you know, it was horrible.

1:20:51 There was, do you remember the photos of when she was in

1:20:54 hospital for one of the stints? And I think she she was kind of

1:20:56 starting to do a bit better. And then the photos, you'll

1:21:00 remember them for sure of her in the hair salon.

1:21:03 Yes, so and then the grainy. Supposed photos that came out of

1:21:06 her being in a nightclub In a nightclub, not.

1:21:08 True. Yeah, this is it.

1:21:10 The hair. The hair was true.

1:21:11 The hair. Was she was at the hospital

1:21:12 salon, they thought, you know, at the end of her treatment,

1:21:15 give her a little perk. And then the fallout from that

1:21:19 basically sent her back to Square 1 and she was sort of

1:21:21 back trying to similar to. What happened during the trial,

1:21:25 which we spoke about, she, they were accused that she collapsed

1:21:28 on one of the days in court, literally like, and when you

1:21:31 think about the conditions she was living in under, let alone

1:21:33 the fact the stress, the stress of what she was going through,

1:21:36 plus the conditions that she was then living in.

1:21:39 Yeah, she was very, very unwell. So she collapsed in Court One

1:21:45 day and the media jumped on it and went oh, she's pregnant,

1:21:47 she's pregnant, which is just fuck off, fuck off.

1:21:50 Like I just that sensationalism journalism is so and I think

1:21:53 it's pretty dead these days. I find in general.

1:21:56 There was a lot of that around, but.

1:21:57 This time it was. It was.

1:21:58 Really bad around her there was because then there were these

1:22:01 photos that came out. They were very grainy photos of

1:22:04 supposedly her and Mercedes hanging out at nightclubs and

1:22:08 that people were saying they spotted her and stuff in Bali.

1:22:10 They were going over and spotting her there.

1:22:12 But there was also guards who were letting people pay money to

1:22:14 go into the jail. Yeah, to see her, but she was an

1:22:17 animal. Oh, an animal at a zoo.

1:22:20 Yeah, it was horrible. I I remember just saying.

1:22:21 I remember friends at the time who were going to Bali going,

1:22:23 oh, we might go visit Chappelle and I'd be like, are you for

1:22:26 real? Like, that's just gross.

1:22:28 I remember. Back in the day, Kate Langbroek

1:22:32 was on Nova. That's and do you remember she

1:22:34 went over there, She went and she went and took her like like

1:22:37 sanitary products, like literally, you know, bags and

1:22:40 bags of sanitary products are that same.

1:22:42 I think something that is actually and she needed film it.

1:22:45 She didn't know do it for radio, nothing like that, but she did

1:22:48 do it to her. Radio because she spoke about it

1:22:50 whereas you could have just done that under the you know and done

1:22:53 that without any of that but then there.

1:22:55 Were people who were doing it to get photos to sell to Woman's

1:22:58 Day or to sell to the tabloids or whatever?

1:23:00 Yeah, because we everyone was so fascinated by this story.

1:23:04 So like. Gross.

1:23:06 The media around that, yeah, I really couldn't handle.

1:23:09 I can't handle that. No, it's, it's horrible.

1:23:11 I felt for her in that. Sense because it is she's like

1:23:13 she's like she's an animal in a zoo.

1:23:14 It's really is just disgusting. It's horrible throughout this.

1:23:18 So obviously she appealed the the the sentencing and the

1:23:23 outcome, which was denied at one stage, though one of her peels

1:23:27 did get through enough that she did get a five year reduction on

1:23:32 her sentence. But being Indonesian legal

1:23:36 system, they eventually actually overturned that and set and gave

1:23:40 her back the full 20 years, which was horrific.

1:23:43 But there was a slight reason as to why they did that.

1:23:47 Do you know about this? So there was some photographs

1:23:50 that appear that came forward and there's a belief that these

1:23:54 photographs are what they came out of this at a time where this

1:23:57 appeal had been one that she lost five years off of her

1:24:00 sentence. And then the at the time these,

1:24:03 this judge got wind of the fact that these photos that had come

1:24:06 to to surface. So he reneged on that five years

1:24:10 and gave it back and went, no, fuck it, you can have the full

1:24:12 20 years now. These photos that were found

1:24:15 were of Chapelle Corby with a known convicted drug smuggler,

1:24:23 an Australian bloke who had come over to Bali to see and to see

1:24:27 her. So supposedly he came and saw

1:24:30 her twice, one being during the trial he was there.

1:24:34 He was also then in Carabacan visiting her and spent time with

1:24:38 her during the trial time as well and photos were taken of

1:24:42 the two of them. These were These photos were

1:24:44 then were found years later in his residence by police who were

1:24:51 arresting him and charging him with drug smuggling of none

1:24:55 other than marijuana. Very good friend of his dad's a

1:25:00 known A. Known associate of his father's.

1:25:03 Father, he lived in SA. So when you put it in context of

1:25:07 that, I can I can somewhat understand originally when I

1:25:11 heard what an asshole act like to give her, you know, this

1:25:13 little, you know, carrot of like 15 years now instead of 20.

1:25:18 Like that's to me almost because what breaks my heart with her

1:25:21 with this 20 years stuff, it was I'll never have children, all

1:25:23 right, I'll never be able to have a life like that.

1:25:26 She says that taking 15 years, taking five years off of that or

1:25:29 could potentially give her back a window of having that.

1:25:33 And so I, I really thought that was awful.

1:25:35 But when I kind of went, oh, wait, there's maybe something to

1:25:38 this as to why that five years was put back on.

1:25:42 Yeah. Again, the length of time was

1:25:44 more than it should have been in the sense of what we know of

1:25:46 Australia. But sure, in their world, their

1:25:49 judicial system, yeah, that's what was going on there.

1:25:51 Yeah, yeah. He never visited her again after

1:25:56 that though. No, well, he was in jail.

1:26:00 Yeah, is he? Still in jail to this day.

1:26:01 Actually, I don't know. Well, no, we're 20 years down

1:26:04 the track. Probably not.

1:26:05 Possibly not. I'd have to look that up, but

1:26:07 I've I've got some that up either info on him.

1:26:12 So basically from there, though she appealed in 2010, she ended

1:26:16 up putting in a letter to the president of Indonesia for for

1:26:20 clemency. It took two years for him to

1:26:24 respond, which that would just, you would just think, well, you

1:26:29 sort. Of think, OK, well.

1:26:29 That's not worked either. Like I'd just be, I guess,

1:26:32 sitting back on it thinking, well, there we go.

1:26:34 That's, that's that revenue down as well.

1:26:36 When randomly this letter appeared from the president and

1:26:41 what he actually said at that point.

1:26:42 So at this point in 2012, when they received the letter, the

1:26:46 response to the letter for clemency, well, she, because she

1:26:49 claimed it on humanitarian grounds, because her mental

1:26:51 health was declining quite severely.

1:26:54 So as we said, 2008, when her dad died, it really started to

1:26:56 climb massively. And so we're looking now at

1:26:58 2012, she was not good. She hadn't recovered.

1:27:01 She didn't recover, certainly not 2000.

1:27:03 And 10, when she sent the letter, I think Mercedes, you

1:27:06 know, really supported her in putting that letter together and

1:27:09 sending that off to get some some assistance.

1:27:13 So, yeah, two years later, finally got a response from the

1:27:16 president granting her a five year cut to her original 20 year

1:27:20 sentence. Now their system is so different

1:27:25 over there that that doesn't sound like much, but what

1:27:29 happens over there is at various points of the year you can get

1:27:32 reductions in your sentence. Yes.

1:27:34 So she had already received well in the first year in, oh, sorry,

1:27:38 not first. In 2006, she received a

1:27:42 reduction of, oh gosh, what, three months, three months

1:27:47 reduction. However, that got overturned

1:27:50 because she was found to have a mobile phone.

1:27:52 I didn't know that. Yeah.

1:27:53 So that three months. Didn't I knew my first sentence,

1:27:55 then got yeah taken? Away, but I didn't know why.

1:27:58 Yeah. So you were having.

1:28:00 A mobile phone, Yeah. So, OK, so she lost that in

1:28:03 terms of getting that reduction, but each year from that point,

1:28:06 oh, my God, then you'd be on your best behaviour, wouldn't

1:28:08 you? Oh, God.

1:28:08 Yeah. So they have independence days

1:28:10 in Indonesia. And on each of those she was

1:28:13 granted, first of all 2008, four months in 2009, five months,

1:28:19 2010 and 2011, she received six months for each of those years.

1:28:23 And then in addition to that, she was granted a further 45

1:28:26 days reduced from her sentence just because it was Christmas at

1:28:28 one stage. So number of reasons why she got

1:28:32 reductions in that sentence that meant that plus that extra five

1:28:35 years was all helping to knock off those those years from her

1:28:39 sentence. So then in September of 2016,

1:28:47 her sentence was meant to expire, but she was granted

1:28:51 parole on the 7th of February in 2014.

1:28:55 That's right. So unfortunately that was, I

1:28:57 believe, a Friday, though, which meant that she then had to spend

1:29:01 the weekend in jail because they had to receive it by post.

1:29:04 Yeah. The parole letter had to be at

1:29:05 the prison by post, Yeah. They couldn't just walk it down

1:29:08 from the courts or anything like that?

1:29:09 Not far, no. They had to.

1:29:11 Had to arrive by mail before that they would process it and

1:29:15 so that she had to wait all weekend before the the mail

1:29:17 would come on the Monday. So on the 10th of February,

1:29:20 finally she was released on parole.

1:29:24 The conditions of the. Parole were pretty strict.

1:29:27 She had to stay in Bali until 20/17.

1:29:31 She had to register, obviously, with the parole board and meet

1:29:35 all of their criteria. She had to stay with family.

1:29:40 Her whereabouts needed to be known at all times, so she was

1:29:43 going to be doing something different from a usual routine.

1:29:46 She had to declare it. Yeah, all of those things I

1:29:49 guess are completely fair and they're the types of conditions

1:29:51 that are in imposed on our parolees as well in Australia

1:29:57 parole ish thing that it. Wasn't just parole, actually, it

1:29:59 was the entire time she was in jail.

1:30:01 So she had to have a guarantor for her prison sentence.

1:30:04 So as we I mentioned about the escapees of Krobakan, if she

1:30:07 escaped jail, her guarantor would have to take her place in

1:30:11 jail. Oh wow.

1:30:14 Yeah, so do you know who? Her guarantor was was it

1:30:16 Mercedes? Nope.

1:30:18 Who? Mercedes Husband.

1:30:20 Oh yeah. I know he paid.

1:30:23 So in order to actually get parole, she had to pay that fine

1:30:26 to that 13,800 whatever dollar fine.

1:30:29 Yeah, I know he paid that. Yeah.

1:30:32 And in order for her to then be able to be released, I didn't

1:30:35 realise he was her guarantor. So he was her guarantor all.

1:30:38 The way through and including in the parole.

1:30:40 So actually Mercedes and him were separated, Yes, When she

1:30:44 left jail, yeah. I mean, you can imagine the

1:30:46 stress. This would put on every member

1:30:48 of the family, absolutely. And Mercedes, they wanted to

1:30:51 move. Back move to Australia and then

1:30:52 that never happened. Like it's upset their entire

1:30:55 life of what their plans were. Oh, it would be really

1:30:58 impactful. Absolutely.

1:30:59 I mean, and Mercedes would have spent most of her life taking

1:31:02 care of what was going on For for for Chappelle.

1:31:05 She did, yeah. She went everyday.

1:31:06 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so he.

1:31:09 Was guarantor for her throughout all of this and had no way of

1:31:13 changing that person. So even though the and the and

1:31:17 the courts had said the fact of their marriage brought together

1:31:20 or not does not break that that guarantor.

1:31:25 So he remained guarantor right through.

1:31:27 So he he, he sort of had to live under these same similar

1:31:29 conditions in that not that he had the, you know, had to report

1:31:33 or anything, but he couldn't just leave the country randomly

1:31:35 or, you know, things like he he needed to be kept track of as

1:31:38 well to make sure that he could be there to step in for her at

1:31:40 any point, which I mean, whoa, what an amazing thing to do for

1:31:44 your sister-in-law. That's a huge thing that he's

1:31:48 put himself through. So really well done to him,

1:31:51 absolutely. Absolutely.

1:31:53 I kind of understand the decision for that because

1:31:57 Mercedes, I guess she's supporting Chappelle.

1:32:00 She's also got children of her own.

1:32:02 I guess it makes sense to make him the guarantor as opposed to

1:32:06 her maybe every other family. Were in Australia, I was going

1:32:09 to say and then she could. If needed need be, could take

1:32:11 the kids home to Australia or whatever.

1:32:13 Do wonder whether there was a. Stipulation that it needed to be

1:32:16 someone who was who held an Indonesian passport and maybe

1:32:20 Mercedes didn't OK too. I don't.

1:32:22 Know I don't I'm. Not sure, but yeah, that's

1:32:25 that's a huge thing to do. Yeah, yeah.

1:32:28 So in 2017, her parole in Bali has ended and she returns home

1:32:36 to Australia. So this is on the 27th of May in

1:32:38 2017. Yeah, when she left.

1:32:41 Bali, right? Apparently, she asked the

1:32:44 corrections division. Would she be allowed to?

1:32:48 Enter for site seeking Yes. Sightseeing.

1:32:51 Yep. In the future?

1:32:52 Yep. What?

1:32:53 I'm sorry, would you want to go back?

1:32:56 Well, I've had her interviewed. Fairly recently, yeah.

1:32:59 And she thinks she might go. She thinks she might be ready.

1:33:02 Oh no. I would never go back.

1:33:04 Again, Oh, carry on luggage only just I just I would never no I

1:33:10 I'm. Sorry, I would I would never.

1:33:12 I'll just have no interest. I would not honestly in honest

1:33:15 to God would have no interest in going back.

1:33:17 No, it would be traumatic. Yeah, that getting on that

1:33:21 flight, even the the other she. Did talk about though, the

1:33:24 relationship she'd made with certain women in prison as well.

1:33:28 She and she had a very long time.

1:33:29 Boyfriend. She had a boyfriend there and

1:33:30 and. I think to this day, are they

1:33:33 still together? No, they broke up.

1:33:35 They. Broke up today so.

1:33:36 Her, I think. She I think they may.

1:33:38 Have actually been broken up before she came back to

1:33:40 Australia. OK, Yeah, I.

1:33:41 Thought maybe that might have been a reason for her wanting to

1:33:43 return. Actually, no, Because he visited

1:33:46 Australia. No, I'm pretty sure they were

1:33:47 still together when she came home.

1:33:49 I don't know. Yeah, I think so.

1:33:50 OK. Pretty sure they're broken up

1:33:52 there from. What I was I think they have

1:33:53 now. Yeah, yeah.

1:33:54 But. He So he was in prison when they

1:33:56 met. Yeah.

1:33:57 And he spoke fluent English, which was one of the greatest

1:34:00 things that she like. What sparked the relationship

1:34:02 between them? Because she actually had someone

1:34:03 she could talk to easily, but he was in jail because he had lit

1:34:07 up like a cigarette or not a cigarette, even like a he'd

1:34:10 smoke some marijuana on the beach and been arrested.

1:34:12 So and he was doing a fairly hefty sentence sentence.

1:34:16 For that. So they were obviously bonded

1:34:18 over the fact of like the sort of sentencing they'd received

1:34:20 for fairly minor. Well, him also, in that sense,

1:34:23 minor crime. Yeah.

1:34:26 But he, he seemed they were pretty solid, like, for a long

1:34:29 time. Yeah.

1:34:30 Yeah. Yeah.

1:34:32 Wow. All right.

1:34:33 Well, should we talk about where she is now?

1:34:35 Well before we. Do OK just wanna.

1:34:37 Touch on some. Of the alternative kind of

1:34:40 theories on what, Yeah, Good, good move.

1:34:42 Yeah. So there's, I mean, obviously

1:34:43 there's a couple of things where people sort of went, no, this

1:34:46 doesn't make sense, you know, of what's going on.

1:34:48 So when you look at it on the surface, yeah.

1:34:50 Is it that she they was baggage handlers in Sydney and Brisbane

1:34:56 who would running this drug run thing and she had no idea

1:34:58 whatsoever what was going on or was there a little bit more

1:35:02 known to it than that? So there.

1:35:05 So Kobe's father, Shapo, Kobe's father did have links to people

1:35:11 and a long. Standing drug history, yes, so.

1:35:15 He had a very close associate who he had known back when he

1:35:22 was working in that open cut mine first met him there.

1:35:25 They were they lived in similar area when they were living when

1:35:29 they lived near near each other when they were working on this

1:35:32 mine and they were very close apparently and when they as they

1:35:39 would work, they would well they.

1:35:44 They. Finished that job at very

1:35:46 similar times. One of the the other bloke, he

1:35:49 went and bought a big block of land down in central QLD off of

1:35:54 the Bruce Hwy. and weirdly enough, two years later Michael

1:36:01 Corby purchases a block of land right next door.

1:36:05 Now the guy who lived. Opposite them on in these blocks

1:36:08 of lands, he will say no, he was actually no, he's on the other

1:36:11 side of that block of land actually, sorry he was the next

1:36:12 door neighbor on the other side yes.

1:36:13 So I think Michael. Had the block in the middle.

1:36:16 No, no, no. It was that.

1:36:17 No, there was he was, there was Michael on one end this.

1:36:20 And then there was the phrase, yeah, the friend.

1:36:22 Yeah. And then this neighbor.

1:36:23 OK, OK. So the neighbor.

1:36:26 Who's has said they were Titus thieves?

1:36:29 Is that the saying? Like sickest thieves?

1:36:31 I'm like, oddly enough, so they yeah, they crime besties.

1:36:37 Very, very. Well, crime besties maybe.

1:36:40 So the guy that he lived next door to was.

1:36:43 He was arrested for growing hydroponically grown marijuana

1:36:48 high quality, high quality marijuana in the raid that

1:36:52 occurred on his property in September 2004.

1:36:58 Chappelle Corby went to Bali in. Is it October 2?

1:37:04 1004, Eighth of October a. Month later.

1:37:07 She went to Bali. Not even.

1:37:10 Yeah, couple of weeks so. In that raid, they found the

1:37:14 police found 5 kilos of high quality hydropolically grown

1:37:21 marijuana in vacuum sealed plastic bags.

1:37:26 Same as what? So I think it's worth.

1:37:29 Noting that it was space bag branded bags right in both.

1:37:34 Instances. Yeah, they're both the same

1:37:35 brand. I mean readily available.

1:37:37 You can buy them at Big W, you can buy them anywhere.

1:37:40 But I'm just saying, is that a coincidence?

1:37:42 Is that a coincidence? That, you know, less than a

1:37:46 month later, a very similar sized package of marijuana,

1:37:50 hydroponic marijuana that was by photographic evidence able to be

1:37:54 shown to be hydroponic marijuana, was found in her

1:37:59 boogie board bag. So.

1:38:03 Interesting. Very, very, very interesting how

1:38:06 that has played out. Now other people have also come

1:38:10 forward, specifically a person by the name of Jodie Powers.

1:38:14 Jodie Powers. Now Jodie Powers.

1:38:17 Is was a friend of Mercedes, I'd say more so than yeah than

1:38:21 Chapelle, yeah. However, she went over to Bali

1:38:25 and was supporting, called Bishoppelle at the time and

1:38:27 everything when it was all going on.

1:38:30 However, she does claim that there are very strong links in

1:38:33 the family to all these sorts of things.

1:38:35 So she's been interviewed on A Current Affair today tonight.

1:38:39 Probably worth mentioning she was paid.

1:38:41 For her interviews, I'm just absolutely that.

1:38:42 Yeah, yeah. Totally, absolutely, very much

1:38:45 worth worth saying but she first hand so she grew up with these

1:38:50 girls. You know, she knew the family.

1:38:53 No, no question around that. And so basically she was she

1:38:59 says that not only had Schapelle Corby outright said that on a

1:39:05 number of occasions she had smuggled marijuana overseas and

1:39:09 Interstate, so had Mercedes. So very interesting what her

1:39:15 take was it on? And she she also said, I know

1:39:17 that Schapelle Corby did drugs. I've seen her take ecstasy,

1:39:21 speed, cocaine. She accuses her of being a

1:39:26 dabbler of many drugs of herself, whether that makes you

1:39:30 a drug smuggler or not. I don't believe that that's no,

1:39:33 I don't think that actually equates to anything else.

1:39:35 Yep. Also, we're saying so Jodie

1:39:38 Powers has done 3 polygraphs, one of which read that she was

1:39:43 lying too, came back that she was not.

1:39:48 Take that as you will well. It's.

1:39:50 Inadmissible. Yeah, absolutely.

1:39:52 Completely. Yeah.

1:39:53 But so Mercedes apparently, according to her, had admitted

1:39:57 to smuggling drugs concealed within her body, as well as

1:40:02 Chapelle admitting that she had smuggled to Bali marijuana in

1:40:05 the past two other times, as was what she stated, Yes, she.

1:40:10 So she had a very clear story of what she'd been told.

1:40:12 It was, you know, enough. You know, it was a lot of

1:40:14 detail. Detail to it.

1:40:16 But some say too much. Detail.

1:40:18 Yeah, yeah. Dicks say too much.

1:40:21 Detail, but yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:40:24 So there's there's family links. And.

1:40:26 There's rooms, there's all sorts of things that go on here that

1:40:30 it makes me believe that, look, as we said, beginning guilty or

1:40:33 innocent is one side of this. Punishment is another.

1:40:37 Absolutely. I think that part of me.

1:40:39 Does go down the track of. I think that she may have known,

1:40:42 I think the drugs meant to come out in Sydney, yeah.

1:40:44 I honestly believe that she thought she was the financial.

1:40:46 Reasons and Sydney. Yep, and the.

1:40:48 Financial. Reasons are like, that says

1:40:52 everything to me. Why would you take 32?

1:40:54 What? What could have been $32,000 in

1:40:57 Brisbane, what could have been over 60 grand in Sydney and take

1:41:01 it to Bali where it, where it might be worth like 1516 grand?

1:41:05 Yeah, and you're risking your life and you're risking your

1:41:06 life. 20 years in jail, like, I mean, how stupid are you if

1:41:11 that's the case? I really do think you're an

1:41:12 idiot if that's really what your goal was.

1:41:14 Yeah, I do think that there's also like, so the person who had

1:41:18 the photographs with Corby and was that was found with them in

1:41:22 SA, it was a very known associate of her father's.

1:41:24 Yes, I can name him too. I can't remember what his name

1:41:27 was. I feel like maybe.

1:41:28 We don't name him no, OK. Too late.

1:41:33 So he he was there was so a drug run that is supposed, you know,

1:41:39 that supposedly was occurring was between Brisbane and SA,

1:41:43 Yes, which is what many people believe.

1:41:46 And there was lots of rumours around the fact that Corby had

1:41:48 run that one on many occasions. And we've spoken about that

1:41:51 exact drug, drug run being done by other people absolutely on

1:41:54 this podcast. So that's a known traffic area

1:41:58 for those drugs. And there's there's definitely

1:42:01 some links there of possibility, that possibility that the family

1:42:03 was involved in those sorts of things.

1:42:05 Yeah. What do we have proof of that?

1:42:07 No. Yeah, but there's enough there.

1:42:11 I think there's enough stuff that you kind of go look, I I

1:42:13 think that there was some a level of guilt here.

1:42:17 Did she deserve even what she got in the nine years in that

1:42:20 those conditions in that Bali prison?

1:42:23 I don't believe so. And I do have a lot of empathy

1:42:25 for her in that. Agreed.

1:42:27 But. You do reap.

1:42:28 What you sow True too. There's a book written by

1:42:32 investigative journalist Eamonn Duff.

1:42:34 It's called Sins of the Father. And he is absolutely, Yeah.

1:42:39 Convinced that the drugs in Chappelle's bag belonged to

1:42:44 Michael. Yeah.

1:42:45 And so to her father, to Michael Corby.

1:42:48 The book says that he, that Michael regularly bought

1:42:51 marijuana from SA, like from the South Australian drug syndicate,

1:42:55 and transported them throughout Australia and internationally as

1:42:59 well. So look, I, I don't know, I

1:43:02 haven't read the book myself. I've just read excerpts that I

1:43:05 was able to access online. But, you know, he's, he's pretty

1:43:09 adamant in that side of things. So I think there's so much

1:43:12 information out there. At the end of the day, there's

1:43:14 probably only a handful of people in the world who actually

1:43:17 know the truth. Yeah.

1:43:18 And I'm sure it lies in this. I'm sure it lies in there

1:43:20 somewhere. Yeah.

1:43:22 And I don't think that we're, you know, everyone's all

1:43:25 innocent or all guilty in, in this either.

1:43:28 So yeah, it's really interesting.

1:43:31 Another one that did. Come out as well, which I don't

1:43:33 know whether this is linked or not to the fact of like what

1:43:35 Chappelle did, but her younger brother, I believe it was a

1:43:38 younger brother yes it was it was James, not the other

1:43:40 brother, not Michael, not Michael I.

1:43:42 Don't believe? Yeah.

1:43:44 He was not long after. This was definitely James.

1:43:46 Yeah, he was. He broke into a known drug

1:43:50 smugglers house and he was, he was actually put under 8 charges

1:43:55 I believe and spent about four years in jail for what he did

1:43:58 there. He claimed at 1 stage that was

1:44:00 to try and was targeting someone he believed who knew what what

1:44:04 happened to Chappelle and trying to get evidence to help her out

1:44:08 which I don't know. He stole drugs from their.

1:44:10 House, Yeah. Yeah, that's not helping.

1:44:13 Chappelle. So I don't know, I mean, part of

1:44:17 me is probably like, I reckon maybe the family did know who

1:44:20 was involved in all of this with them and maybe he was targeting

1:44:22 a particular person. But not to like get evidence to

1:44:25 get her out of jail was to go fuck you.

1:44:27 You screwed my sister over because you didn't take the

1:44:28 drugs out in Sydney like you're supposed to.

1:44:30 But I mean, look, if you're relying.

1:44:33 On someone in Sydney things marrying up and like how the

1:44:36 this is what. I and also the Mara.

1:44:38 One who was in a clear plastic bag.

1:44:39 If you were going to be taking drugs in and out of bags,

1:44:42 package it a bit more discreetly.

1:44:44 People, this is it. But that's.

1:44:45 Where there's a very strong link of that that vacuum sealed bag.

1:44:48 I mean exactly. It's only one idiot in the world

1:44:50 that would do that surely? Like, you know, you would think

1:44:52 so. But oh, maybe not.

1:44:54 Drug world, I'm not involved. I don't know.

1:44:56 But I mean, and because then I think in the in the end of all

1:44:59 of this, we also come down to the fact of in many other parts

1:45:02 of the world, I'll say unfortunately not Australia so

1:45:05 much, but definitely not Indonesia, that marijuana is

1:45:08 legalized and these sorts of things wouldn't be an issue in

1:45:12 those countries. And so your opinion on her

1:45:14 taking 4 kilos of marijuana, I mean, I don't dare say 4 kilos

1:45:18 would have been personal to use. I'll HD hero.

1:45:22 But you know, people's opinions on marijuana fluctuates in terms

1:45:25 of whether or not this is really that bad of a thing that she's

1:45:29 done. I certainly, I mean my personal

1:45:31 opinion, I don't, I don't begrudge anyone a bit of that

1:45:35 every now and then I guess. But yeah, I mean to to.

1:45:37 Each their own, but but it is illegal and it's illegal in

1:45:40 Australia. That's it.

1:45:41 And it's illegal in Indonesia. So at the end of the day,

1:45:44 choices were made whether it was by Chappelle or not, whether she

1:45:48 was she knew about it or not. Yeah, somebody has made a

1:45:51 decision to transport an illegal material.

1:45:55 Yep. And these were the.

1:45:57 Consequences. Yeah, Yep.

1:46:01 Anyway. Where is Chappelle now?

1:46:02 Oh this is my favorite part I'm so excited.

1:46:07 OK. So first of all, yeah, Chappelle

1:46:10 is now a clock maker. Well, she's not now, actually.

1:46:15 She's had to stop making clocks. Why no?

1:46:18 I'm not. I couldn't.

1:46:18 Find out why. But this is the thing in one

1:46:21 place I actually read that she had to stop making clocks and

1:46:25 not not like, you know, just decided not to make clocks

1:46:26 anymore. But I'd love to check them out.

1:46:29 Oh God, of course I. Checked.

1:46:31 I would have ordered one if I could have.

1:46:32 Got the one but I wouldn't have because they're 100.

1:46:34 And $99.00 each. Wow I'm sorry but I want one

1:46:39 that says on the back of it signed by her doing time with

1:46:41 Chabot. It's the best like.

1:46:43 She's just milking this roll. It's worth I really liked

1:46:46 because you can go onto her Instagram page and there's lots

1:46:49 of designs there. My favorite one was the one that

1:46:51 on the front of it on the clock face.

1:46:53 Yeah, it says fresh out of Fox in a Really.

1:46:57 Beautiful. So Emma in a really beautiful.

1:46:59 I was actually. Thinking I might buy it for

1:47:01 Michelle for a 40th. Yes, how many fucks have you?

1:47:05 Got left to give Michelle none. Sorry, do we?

1:47:08 Have any left? No, sorry, there aren't any left

1:47:10 to give. Beautiful epoxy resin, I mean.

1:47:14 Look that beautiful, you know, I don't know if I'd put one in my

1:47:17 house, but that's just my different, different style.

1:47:19 The beach ones like if you had a beach.

1:47:21 House, that would be right, yeah, but the.

1:47:23 And the fact that you had a. Clock made by Chappelle, I feel

1:47:26 well, that would be a real talking point in in your house

1:47:30 All right well, I'm sorry if you wanted one No looked like on her

1:47:34 Instagram page that there was some maybe she's fucking.

1:47:36 Running. But I read somewhere she had to

1:47:39 OK, but I don't. I don't know.

1:47:40 I don't know. She also did.

1:47:42 A body board bag ad. Good on it.

1:47:48 Now would that be profiting from crime though?

1:47:51 Well, this is this. Is a fine line.

1:47:53 Fine line. Because she did.

1:47:54 Also write a book. During her time in prison.

1:47:57 So you know what? Happened with the the funds from

1:47:59 that that all went to Mercedes husband, yes as well, which I

1:48:03 mean, I dare say maybe that was thanks for guarantor, thanks for

1:48:07 yeah. Doing all he.

1:48:08 Did maybe sold over 100,000? Copies in its first release.

1:48:12 Yeah, yeah, and she's re released.

1:48:14 It with after she you know that when she got back to Australia.

1:48:18 Yeah, she'd already served out. Of parole and all of that sort

1:48:21 of stuff. Yeah, yeah.

1:48:23 But you're not allowed to benefit from proceeds, proceeds

1:48:27 of crime. So there I know the AFP

1:48:30 definitely looked into whether or not she was profiting.

1:48:33 From it. But I mean, of course she was

1:48:34 profiting. From it, if it went to Mercedes,

1:48:37 as if Mercedes, well, didn't go to Mercedes it.

1:48:38 Went to Mercedes husband when they were and they were

1:48:40 divorced. Yeah, but was he not then?

1:48:42 Giving them the money, quite possibly because.

1:48:44 There was something else that I read.

1:48:47 Oh, who was it? There was something else that

1:48:48 she was doing and it wasn't She didn't get paid for it.

1:48:51 Rosalie got paid for it. Yeah, yeah.

1:48:54 And so there's. All avenues.

1:48:55 So yeah, like, yeah, you. Can't tell me she's not

1:48:58 profiting. No.

1:48:58 Yes, but then how else is she meant to live her life?

1:49:01 Like she's so infamous she couldn't just probably go and

1:49:06 work at Cotton? Well, maybe nowadays she could.

1:49:07 Nah, probably not. She's still so wrecking.

1:49:09 Well, to be honest, take on her. Beauty stuff.

1:49:11 I mean, I'd go get my hair done by Chappelle just for the chat.

1:49:14 Like, Oh yeah, Tommy girl, yeah. Give a tea, give it to me.

1:49:18 Yeah, you wouldn't mind sitting in her chair.

1:49:20 For a few extra hours, no. I had a.

1:49:22 Conversation for sure, yeah. And then the.

1:49:25 Final thing that she's doing well, wait before you go, OK?

1:49:27 Go sorry, because the other one she was she released a pop song.

1:49:30 Oh yes, gotta listen to that. Yeah, but we might insert here.

1:49:36 Yeah. What that song was, do we,

1:49:38 should we play it, play a little bit, play it for the people?

1:49:40 Because it is absolutely. Or I mean, some people loved

1:49:44 her, apparently, but people loved it.

1:49:47 Because of what it is, not because of the.

1:49:49 It's not like they were. She wasn't going to win an Aria.

1:49:53 Oh well, not with. This.

1:49:55 So Are you ready? I am more than ready.

1:49:59 It is sunny. I have the fun trees,

1:50:21 I'm in QLD. I love it and.

1:50:24 It's sunny, she also. But she also did some like SAS

1:50:31 that show SAS as well which dancing with.

1:50:34 The dance with the stars, which? I I don't watch dancing styles.

1:50:37 Do you watch dancing styles? No, because someone needs to

1:50:39 tell me she has to have done a dance to like blaming on the

1:50:42 boogie. Oh, don't.

1:50:44 Just it's not. Like a give that would actually.

1:50:45 Be amazing. I have no idea.

1:50:47 I didn't watch. I actually didn't look up any

1:50:49 when I was researching. I didn't look up any clips

1:50:51 either. I'm sure they're out there,

1:50:52 surely because. Another little like pop culture

1:50:55 one I love is remember when Warner the cricketer lost his

1:50:58 baggy green? Yes, in the sorry on like a

1:51:01 Qantas flight, somehow his backpack had been taken out of

1:51:05 his bag and he lost his baggy green, which in Australia that's

1:51:07 like gold. Oh my God, so she commented on

1:51:11 his Instagram post about this saying if anyone finds my baggy

1:51:13 green hat, you know I want please get it back to me and

1:51:16 Chappelle comment. Chappelle call me commented.

1:51:19 Oh Qantas, have I got a story for you that that's I love that

1:51:25 humour. She definitely.

1:51:27 Has a really good sense of humour.

1:51:30 Oh, doesn't she? So the.

1:51:32 Other thing that she's doing, I don't know if you guys have ever

1:51:34 heard of this. It's a website called Cameo.

1:51:37 And you can pay, yeah, you can pay celebrities of all different

1:51:42 calibres. And it depends on the level of

1:51:45 celebrity in terms of the financial contribution you need

1:51:49 to make. But you can pay them to give a

1:51:52 personalized message to a loved one for their birthday, or you

1:51:54 can actually even get them to do like advertising for you and

1:51:57 stuff like that anyway. Two years ago.

1:52:02 Peter's birthday, producer Pete's birthday, and his sister

1:52:05 couldn't think of anything to get him, because what do you get

1:52:07 for the man who's got everything?

1:52:09 Well, so she decided. She thought of the one.

1:52:12 Thing you needed? Absolutely and.

1:52:14 Have we not dined out on this for years now?

1:52:17 I love it. She bought him.

1:52:20 A Chappelle Corby cameo, right? Oh, and did she deliver?

1:52:24 Oh. Did she deliver So what you

1:52:25 have? To do when you order a cameo is

1:52:28 you have to put in like what you know, some things about the

1:52:32 person, what they like just so that that you know, they the

1:52:36 celebrity can make talking points.

1:52:38 Yes, I'm talking points. So Claire's put in things like,

1:52:43 you know, Peter, like their dad loves Claire more than Peter.

1:52:46 And by the way, Claire said his name is Udro, and that's what

1:52:51 our nieces call Peter, Uncle Dro, Uncle Pedro, Udro.

1:52:54 So that's you'll hear that and just all of the things that he's

1:53:00 into and stuff like that. And then at the bottom she

1:53:02 wrote. PS My brother thinks you're hot.

1:53:07 So guys. I'm gonna play it for you right

1:53:09 now, Producer. Pete's gonna love that.

1:53:11 You're publicizing this? Oh, he's.

1:53:13 Oh yeah, Any publicity is good publicity.

1:53:15 Isn't that right, Pete? Happy birthday to.

1:53:18 You. Happy birthday to you.

1:53:20 Happy birthday, You dro. Happy birthday to you.

1:53:24 Hey, you dro. I think I'm saying that right.

1:53:27 You dro. Hey, you Dro.

1:53:29 Chappelle here. I have a birthday message to you

1:53:31 from Crabbit, your sister. And so you're a ginger.

1:53:37 I'm almost a ginger right now myself too.

1:53:40 So anyway, happy birthday to you, your interest to our flying

1:53:46 planes, whiskey tasting and anything related to computers

1:53:49 and IT. Oh gosh.

1:53:52 I need you in my. Life by the way, your your dad

1:53:57 likes private better than you, so take that as you will.

1:54:02 And you like Hawaiian farmers and reverse parking?

1:54:08 Hard to believe, but. There you go.

1:54:15 And you think I'm hot? Me and Chappelle.

1:54:17 Oh yeah, right. I'm still single.

1:54:19 I don't know. If you see me out in public,

1:54:21 would you come and talk to me? Or would.

1:54:24 You be one of these people. That go.

1:54:25 Hey, I saw you out today. Yeah, well, Chappelle's human

1:54:28 too. You can come talk to me.

1:54:30 OK? If you see me out, you drove,

1:54:32 come talk to me. And happy birthday to you.

1:54:36 I hope you have a great day. Surrounded by all the people

1:54:39 that. Love you, even your dad and and

1:54:44 don't drink. Too much.

1:54:48 Most. Importantly, you.

1:54:49 Drew, have a great life, so happy birthday to you.

1:54:52 All the best. Oh God, OK fucking.

1:54:56 Cold, sorry, it's first. It's of the reverse parking.

1:54:59 I mean, you know, hats off to Claire for providing Primo

1:55:02 content for that, but what Chapelle did with it brings me

1:55:06 live. Just that she just read it off

1:55:07 the piece. Yeah, read it off the piece of

1:55:09 paper. You go and look at her like you

1:55:10 can look her up on Cameo and all of her birthday messages are

1:55:13 identical. Yeah, they're all.

1:55:14 Yeah, I found one. Online myself birthday to you

1:55:16 happy. Birthday to you It's a birthday

1:55:18 to. You.

1:55:19 Is that the? Same.

1:55:20 Yeah. Happy birthday to you now.

1:55:23 Oh God, that that cost Claire 52 dollars.

1:55:27 Oh wow. Of which $40 is paid directly to

1:55:30 Chappelle. They get paid as soon as they've

1:55:32 sent the video off. Claire reckons it took 40

1:55:35 minutes. Claire submitted.

1:55:38 The thing 40 minutes later she had that video.

1:55:40 Oh, that's incredible. Well, she needed the dough.

1:55:43 Like a fair, fair car. Yeah, Yeah.

1:55:46 Oh God, that's gold. Sorry, but.

1:55:50 Nothing was a lie. What Claire put in there.

1:55:52 Oh God, I love the like real off of, you know, you're into what?

1:55:56 You're into to and you think I'm hot just.

1:56:00 Can just see her going maybe. I just it just gives me.

1:56:07 Life, It's so funny. It's so good.

1:56:10 Yeah, you could not have chosen a better gift for your brother.

1:56:13 It's really gold. Yeah, I love.

1:56:14 That and well done, Chappelle. Yeah, Oh, Chappelle.

1:56:17 Nailed it. I mean, is she still?

1:56:18 On coming home. Oh yeah, she's I.

1:56:20 I checked yesterday. Oh yeah, you could get her to

1:56:24 promote 2 crime besties. Oh, that'd be worth 50 bucks.

1:56:28 I think we almost said that maybe.

1:56:29 She's guilty in this, so maybe she won't.

1:56:33 Oops. Sorry, I mean you've done.

1:56:35 The time we did, we. I'd also say we don't really

1:56:37 know. Like no we don't think that it's

1:56:39 all her 100% if that. If that court hearing was in

1:56:43 Australia, there was enough reasonable doubt she wouldn't.

1:56:45 She wouldn't have gotten no way, no.

1:56:47 No way. And if she did happen?

1:56:49 To get guilty, it would have been far less, yeah.

1:56:52 Yep, yes, All right, well, on that little note, we this

1:56:55 episode has just gone on way too.

1:56:56 I really have. I just realized far out.

1:56:58 All right, stay. Curious crime besties.

1:57:02 Bye.