Episode 26 - The Beaumont Children

0:16 Welcome back to Crime Besties to another episode.

0:19 Hey, Meg, how's it going? Good.

0:21 Thanks. How are you?

0:22 I am great, I am loving. We've got some really warm

0:25 weather today and it's been sunny and delightful.

0:30 We're leading up to Christmas, which is so incredibly exciting.

0:33 So this is our. It's stressful.

0:36 It is stressful, but it is also. I just love this time of year.

0:40 Oh do you? I love it.

0:41 Christmas fanatic? I'm Grinch, I reckon.

0:44 You are not. I love Christmas, but I also

0:47 like oh, it's just, it's painful.

0:50 It is. I mean, it's, it's a lot of

0:52 extra work. Yeah, Yeah.

0:53 And a lot of extra like mental load isn't there because, yeah,

0:57 you know, it disproportionately falls to, to the mums to sort

1:01 things out. Generally speaking, not always,

1:03 but in general. I know I've done.

1:06 So I think I spoke about this last week, big proponent of the

1:10 online shopping for Christmas because I think that takes away

1:12 the having to go to the supermarket, to the shopping

1:15 centres, which are already feral.

1:17 So we're recording this in late November.

1:20 The I went to the shops on Wednesday during the day, middle

1:24 of the day. I just had to pick up a couple

1:26 of things. I had to park so bloody far

1:29 away, which did not. No, that's not.

1:31 I was not happy about that. I couldn't believe it.

1:35 No, it's insane. Like and I try and stick to sort

1:37 of smaller shopping complexes rather than the last large ones.

1:41 That's a good idea. Reason that I just figure I've

1:43 got a few around me that have got a good amount of shops that

1:45 you need, you know, Yeah, that I can I sort of try and avoid the

1:49 giant, you know, shopping centres because it's just gross

1:52 and people are I hold. Oh.

1:54 People are horrible. Yeah, yeah.

1:55 I was pulling out of a car park the other day and there was a

1:58 like a Bank of cars lining up to get out of the car park of this

2:01 shopping centre. Yeah, and I sort of pulled my

2:04 car out. I'd reversed in, so I was

2:06 pulling straight out into the line of traffic.

2:09 This woman fully sucked up the bum of the car in front of her

2:12 so I couldn't come out. I'm like, so for the sake of

2:14 being one extra car ahead, yeah, you're just being an asshole.

2:18 Asshole. Oh yeah, so they're more

2:20 important than you? Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about

2:22 that. Yeah, Spirit of Christmas, my

2:24 ass. Totally.

2:25 That's the stuff about Christmas that I can't stand.

2:27 I, yeah, I love the whole, like, you know, it's the, the magic of

2:30 it all for the kids. I'm all for that.

2:32 Yeah, 'cause I'm really pissed at Australia Post right now

2:35 actually, for that reason. They've ruined the magic of

2:37 Christmas. Like do you know what they've

2:39 removed? The Christmas letter.

2:41 Yeah, the Santa letter. You now put the letter to go and

2:44 walk in and hand it over and they hand you a letter.

2:47 What that? Here's one that Santa prepared

2:49 earlier for you. Yeah.

2:51 Because we do that as part of a bit of an educational thing of

2:53 like, you know, that you write your letter and we all walk up

2:56 to the post office and they all put them in the box.

2:59 Not this year. This.

3:00 Year. I'm really annoyed.

3:02 I've actually done my Karen and I've put in a complaint.

3:06 You won't. You won't be the only one.

3:08 Oh, surely not. Hinder teachers, unite.

3:10 Oh. Oh, teachers everywhere unite.

3:12 This is a joke. Mothers fathers unite.

3:16 Oh my God. It's the magic of it that they

3:18 get a letter in the mail from Santa like saying yes, it's the

3:21 same one that they the sibling got, but you know.

3:23 Oh, the kids don't even notice that because all they care about

3:26 is that they got a letter. Yeah, exactly.

3:28 Yeah. No.

3:28 Oh, my God, don't. There's a few things you just

3:31 shouldn't mess with. Yeah, with that stuff.

3:33 Agreed. Yeah, I'm.

3:34 Yeah, I'm. I'm so on the fence of like,

3:36 being a Grinch in that matter. I like, I very much am.

3:38 Like all for the magic. Yeah, the A holes at the

3:41 shopping, the shopping centres, they can go fuck off.

3:43 Yeah, totally. This is why online shopping is

3:47 the way to go. But then you, you know, you

3:49 always have to go and get the last minute bits and pieces.

3:51 Have you made a list or how do you go about it?

3:53 Oh. I wish I was that way.

3:56 I haven't, I haven't like I have a list of who I have to buy for,

3:58 OK. And I sort of like I'd use an

4:00 app now, which. Oh yeah, you've been holding out

4:03 on me. I don't know about this app.

4:04 It's there's heaps of them actually you can download and

4:06 try. Like I've tried a few different

4:08 ones each year I pretty much download a different one.

4:10 OK. But yeah, I'm not finding it

4:11 helping. Like is it?

4:14 Like lacking inspiration. No, it's not so much that, it's

4:17 just the keeping track of it. Oh, OK.

4:19 I think I'm just better off having a piece of paper and it

4:21 all written on. Yeah, OK.

4:22 Like than the app situation. So I think I probably need to

4:24 break away from that. OK, but you should.

4:27 Yeah, because I I can go a little bit crazy.

4:30 Yeah, it's easy to do. I've found this year, buy the

4:34 things that I need to buy for, like my nieces and nephews have

4:37 been really easy. In fact, my kids, my eldest son,

4:40 Oliver, he has nailed the gifts that I've bought for our nieces

4:44 and nephews because he was just all over it.

4:47 And when he told me these suggestions, I was like, oh,

4:49 absolutely. Like that is such a good idea,

4:51 such a good idea. So that's been good.

4:53 Well, that's good. He needs to come come my way.

4:55 Oh, he'd be more than happy to provide his consultation

4:59 services, but I'm really struggling on what to get our

5:03 kids because what they want is something that they're not gonna

5:07 get. I feel you on that.

5:09 Yeah, my niece actually, And my kids have now taken lead from

5:12 her because she's like 12. So she's done a PowerPoint

5:15 presentation. And my kids have decided to do

5:18 that this year for the first year.

5:19 And I'm loving it because it's got the links and everything.

5:21 And she's at that age where she wants mecha cosmetic stuff and

5:25 she wants, you know, certain clothing.

5:27 Like she was so gorgeous the other day.

5:28 She says to me, she goes, you know, Ani, Meg, you know, when I

5:30 was a kid and, you know, you'd unwrap the Christmas present,

5:32 there'd be clothes in there and I'd be like, oh, you know, I

5:35 don't like that. We don't want that.

5:36 That's not toys. Well now if it's clothes, I'm

5:38 like, I'm really happy intended. Yeah, yeah.

5:44 So I mean, there's a lot of clothes on there and stuff, but

5:45 it's certain brands that she wants and yeah, she's very

5:47 specific around those things. So I love the links and they

5:50 were perfect. But then, well, I was going

5:52 through it the other day and my boys like to buy his their

5:54 cousin's presents. They and we just keep a little

5:56 cap of, you know, a price on it and they go, they think about

5:59 it, but with Taylor's. List.

6:00 I love that and. There she'd put a mini karaoke

6:03 machine to which my boys were like, we're buying Taylor that.

6:08 Yeah. And then I let.

6:08 So I let her mum know going on, don't let anyone else buy that.

6:11 The boys are buying that. She's like, yeah, that was an

6:13 oversight on my behalf to let her put that on there.

6:15 I don't remember that being on there.

6:17 I've actually, I'm going to put my hat in the ring here, but

6:21 I've actually bought a mini karaoke machine for my 2 because

6:24 one of the things that they love to do is they've, they've

6:27 created this band and they like to put on concerts and stuff.

6:30 And at the moment they, well, they don't have an amplifier.

6:34 Probably a good. I don't know that or a weight

6:36 one, no, but I was like, I think they would love a carry like the

6:41 so you I think you just Bluetooth your phone to it and

6:43 plays the song and you can sing over the top of it.

6:45 So it's a cool little present idea.

6:46 So. Yeah, you'll link it up to like,

6:47 Spotify, basically. He's got the words in front of

6:49 you then and everything like what my son does.

6:50 So yeah, he's actually spotted and gone.

6:52 Oh, I want one of them Tyrant. I just.

6:53 Don't know. They're not actually that

6:55 expensive. They're not.

6:56 They're really affordable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:59 No, I'm all over it. Well, now that we've gone

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7:39 And also like at the end when we finish recording an episode,

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7:58 Yeah. Because it is quite a daunting

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8:02 I'm finding the more the bigger it's getting, the more daunted I

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9:07 Should we get into this case for today?

9:09 We should. We should.

9:10 So we're talking about the Beaumont children today.

9:14 This is an icon, Nick. It's, I don't know, you're part

9:19 of Australian history. I think it's shaped Australia

9:21 really. I mean, you know, it's one of

9:23 the, it's that case that kind of probably it, it changed how

9:26 parents thought about their children being unsupervised and

9:31 things outside of the family home.

9:32 And that I think it made the Australia particularly start

9:35 feeling a little bit more, oh, we shouldn't.

9:38 Maybe that the world isn't as nice a place as we thought.

9:41 Yeah, but strange danger coming in.

9:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, 'cause it kind of freaks

9:45 me out when you first read what these kids were doing at what

9:47 age. Oh, I know.

9:49 It was a different time. Different.

9:50 Time entirely that this was very normal I mean so when we we get

9:54 into this it's kind of like don't judge the parents because

9:56 this was everyone was doing it was it was the way of life yeah.

9:59 Which, you know, when I reflect back on it, you just kind of go,

10:02 wouldn't that have been a lovely time to live in and wish that

10:05 that was possible for our kids to have that independence and

10:08 things? Yeah.

10:09 But yeah. It's funny because like my 10

10:12 year old son, he, he's craving independence now.

10:15 He's I can see he's ready to sort of take that next step and

10:18 he wants to do things on his own.

10:20 Yeah, but in the world we live in now, I'm not comfortable.

10:24 I'm not ready for that. He's like, there's it's too, the

10:28 world is a scary place. And I know we do a true crime

10:30 podcast, so they're probably exposed to it a lot more.

10:34 But you know, when you think about, and this comes up in this

10:38 case too, it come, it's come up in many of the cases that we've

10:41 spoken about already. And I'm sure it will in future

10:44 episodes, too. If you look up sex offenders in

10:47 your area, it's astounding the amount that are out there who

10:51 are on a register. Yeah.

10:53 And like just living in your street or potentially next door

10:57 or in the block over and you don't even know they're there.

11:02 It. It terrifies me.

11:03 Absolutely. And I mean, these days too, like

11:06 it's not that. It's not that there's

11:07 necessarily when there's more people in the population.

11:09 So yes. But I mean, ratio wise, they've

11:12 always been there. These people have always existed

11:15 in our society, unfortunately, but these days they just seem to

11:19 be able to access more too. Which is really.

11:22 Have access to kids because you think about like obviously the

11:25 Internet games online that there's they don't have to

11:29 they're not visible to the children for who they are they

11:33 can actually groom them as being.

11:35 Some children or some of their same age or yeah, really cover

11:38 up who they are and. And until they want them to know

11:41 who they are, that's it. Yeah, yeah.

11:44 Very creepy, very scary. So.

11:46 The Beaumont children disappeared from Glenelg Beach

11:49 in South Australia on Australia Day on the 26th of January in

11:53 1966. Yeah, Jane Natair Beaumont was

11:57 born on the 10th of September 1956.

12:01 Anna Kathleen was born on the 11th of November 1958 and Grant

12:07 Ellis was born on the 12th of July in 1961.

12:12 So at the time Jane was 9, Anna was 7 and Grant was 4.

12:19 The they grew up, so they were born to parents Grant, who went

12:24 by the name Jim. Yep.

12:25 So yeah, we'll refer to him as Jim.

12:26 Jim, it's easier because obviously little 4 year old

12:30 Grant will refer to him as Grant.

12:31 Yep. So Jim Beaumont, he was a former

12:34 serviceman so he served in the Australian Army.

12:38 Then he was a taxi driver and he was quite successful in that.

12:42 He owned a couple of cab licenses back in the day, which

12:45 is, you know, he had a nice little business going for him.

12:48 Yeah. But then at the time, I think

12:51 just moving on to different opportunities.

12:54 He became a travelling salesman, I think, for a linen company.

12:58 Is that right? Yeah.

12:59 And he was, again, he was really successful in that.

13:02 He sounds like he was a really lovely man.

13:06 He adored his children. He didn't like being away from

13:09 them because obviously the work took him as a travelling

13:11 salesman. It took him away from the kids

13:12 and the family for a few days at a time.

13:15 And things like he didn't like, he wanted to be with his family,

13:17 but. But they, he knew that.

13:19 But the money it was able to bring to them was really worth

13:22 it. So they did leave a comfortable

13:24 life. They weren't, you know,

13:25 absolutely rolling in dough, but they were living a very

13:27 comfortable life. And that meant that, yeah, they

13:30 could have that kind of lifestyle.

13:32 Yeah. Yeah.

13:33 Which was, you know, it was hard for him, but he was willing to

13:35 do it for his family. Yeah.

13:37 Yeah. Nancy Beaumont, she was born,

13:41 Nancy Ellis was their mum and she was a stay at home

13:45 homemaker, which was I think very typical of a mum in the 50s

13:50 and 60s. She stayed home and.

13:52 I loved how a lot of things I read and listened to about this

13:56 was that she was a stay at home mum, but she wasn't often at

13:58 home, yeah. I love that she's.

14:00 Good on her. She was, yeah.

14:01 She would volunteer with different groups.

14:02 She would be out socialising. She was busy.

14:05 She was, you know, so she was doing lots of things for the

14:08 kids and part of all of that, but she was out and about and

14:11 doing things and. And she didn't, they didn't

14:13 have, they only had one car which Jim used to use for his

14:16 travelling salesman job. So she'd just jump on her bike

14:18 and ride around and yeah, go and visit people and have a have a

14:21 grand old time. She said.

14:22 It sounded like she was very social and as you said, really

14:25 community mind and involved with the community, the broader

14:29 community as well as her kids, you know, activities

14:31 specifically for. Sure.

14:33 And this meant that then obviously then, you know, with

14:35 the children of that that age, so 9, seven and four in that day

14:38 and age, it was very normal that that a nine year old would sort

14:42 of be part of like raising the younger children.

14:45 So there's lots of times where the three children were at home

14:47 or out in the, in the community themselves without an adult.

14:51 So Jane was very much a carer to the children.

14:55 She would be babysit the children if the parents, they

14:58 were both home and going out and things.

15:00 And there was a letter that I read, Oh, I've seen that Jane

15:03 wrote her family her 'cause she'd, she'd always, they,

15:05 they'd gone out for the night, her parents.

15:07 So she was at home with the kids and babysitting.

15:10 And so she'd put the younger ones to bed and she'd then put

15:12 herself to bed. So incredibly responsible.

15:14 Gosh, if my kids, I can just imagine the house when I got

15:17 home, imagine that they'd all be awake still.

15:20 Yeah, she, yeah, put herself to bed, but on her way to bed had

15:23 written a note to them about, you know, what she'd been up to

15:27 that day and how things had gone with the younger children and

15:31 asking her parents, you know, things like, I hope you've had a

15:32 lovely night out and enjoyed yourselves and.

15:36 She was like, and I've changed Grant's nappy right before I

15:38 went to bed so he doesn't wet through and like she was just so

15:43 she was what an incredibly mature young this girl.

15:46 Away my 9 year old would do any of.

15:49 No, no. Wow.

15:52 Gosh. So Nancy and Jim actually met at

15:56 a pub? I did that.

15:57 Yeah. They Jim sort of walked into

16:00 this pub. Nancy was having a meal with a

16:02 couple of friends and he saw her sort of, you know, it was one of

16:05 those real true sort of love story type things and saw her

16:09 across a crowded room and, and instantly was like, I need to

16:12 meet this woman. Yeah.

16:13 And they dated for a very occulted for a very short amount

16:18 of time before they got married. I think it was less than six

16:20 months. So they were married in December

16:23 of 1955, so and it pretty much on the money.

16:27 Nine months later Jane was born, Yeah.

16:30 And they lived in Summerton Park in South Australia, in Harding

16:33 Street. They, they lived as you were

16:38 saying, they lived a very comfortable life, but you know,

16:41 as not rolling, not rolling in it by any stretch of the

16:44 imagination, but they lived in this really beautiful home in a

16:46 really lovely area and Glenelg Beach.

16:49 Have you ever been? There not and this Adelaide is

16:52 somewhere that I haven't visited.

16:53 I've visited a few places just out of Adelaide around SA, but

16:57 not Adelaide itself. I've never been now.

17:00 But having said that, I'm actually really shocked that

17:02 this is our first episode with an Adelaide case though, because

17:04 there's some very interesting stuff that's gone on around and

17:06 Adelaide over the years. I know you know what though,

17:08 when I was researching this, some things came up like just in

17:12 the look and I'm like, I didn't even know that that there were

17:14 cases. I was like, oh, I didn't realize

17:16 that happened in Adelaide. Yeah, Adelaide's crazy.

17:19 Yeah. Yeah, like.

17:21 So what is that we will show I was.

17:22 Like we could almost do like just an Adelaide special.

17:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Glenelg Beach is stunning,

17:29 like it is paradise. The water is crystal clear, the

17:33 beaches are like beautiful, you know, white sand and a really

17:37 lovely place to grow up for the kids.

17:40 I think Glenoge was about a 2 kilometer like walk or you know.

17:44 2 kilometers, yeah, very close for.

17:46 Them, they used to walk if it wasn't too hot, but they, you

17:50 know, if if needed, they could also catch the bus down there or

17:53 Jim would drop them off the day before this horrific series of

18:00 sequence of events. So on the 25th of January, Jim

18:03 was on his way to Where was he going?

18:07 He was going to some Snowtown. Snowtown, yes, which we will

18:11 come. Back to, but not today.

18:13 Yeah, again, another good S Australian case.

18:16 Jeez. Yeah, we will do an episode on

18:19 Snowtown for like, for sure. Oh.

18:21 My God, Jess. So Jim's gone down.

18:24 He was on his way down to Snowtown to as part of his

18:28 travelling linen sales. Yeah.

18:30 And he dropped the kids at Glenelg Beach.

18:32 They'd spent the morning there. They'd caught the bus home, got

18:35 home and everything was hunky Dory.

18:38 You know, Nancy was waiting for them and they went about their

18:41 day. So the next morning on Australia

18:44 Day. So I believe that it wasn't a

18:49 public holiday, no. So now we have a public holiday

18:53 on January the 26th, no matter what day of the week that falls

18:57 on. Back then they actually just got

19:00 a long weekend at the closest Friday or Monday, but.

19:04 We're now back to doing that. So we now have like if it falls

19:06 on a weekend, you now get the Monday off.

19:09 Yeah, but this wasn't, this wasn't a weekend, was it?

19:12 Oh, I think it was like a it was like a Wednesday or something.

19:15 It was a random day of the week. The public holiday was a weekend

19:18 for that reason, Yeah, I don't. Think so.

19:20 So then the public holiday was like the following Monday or

19:22 something to have a long weekend.

19:24 Got it. So it wasn't.

19:24 It was Australia Day, but it wasn't actually a gazetted

19:27 public. Holiday, yes, yeah, yeah.

19:29 And anyway, so the kids apparently woke up and it was a

19:33 really gonna be a really hot day.

19:35 And they'd sort of bugged Nancy that they wanted to go down to

19:37 the beach. And she wasn't all that keen on

19:40 the beach. She didn't enjoy it.

19:41 She hated sand, apparently, and hated the mess and the muck of

19:45 being there. Jim loved taking the kids, but

19:47 he was in snow town on business. So they sort of bugged her.

19:51 And she was like, well, you know what, yeah, that's fine.

19:54 You guys can can go down there. Because it was so hot, she

19:58 didn't want them walking or riding their bikes down to the

20:00 beach. So she I think it was forecast

20:03 to be about 40°. Celsius that day, which is like

20:07 105 Fahrenheit for our American friends.

20:11 And we know you're out there. Yeah.

20:13 And they, so the kids have, you know, got their belongings

20:18 together. They've got towels, a beach bag.

20:20 Jane got a little purse because she was so responsible.

20:25 Nancy obviously gave her the money and it was just coins.

20:28 I think it was 8 shillings and sixpence or something she gave

20:31 her, which was enough to cover the bus fare down there, some

20:34 lunch, like a pie, a pasty sorry for lunch and their bus fare

20:39 back. And then Jane also took her a

20:42 Jane Austen novel that she was reading.

20:44 Isn't that cute? It was a little women, I think.

20:46 Yeah, Little women. Yeah.

20:47 Yeah. So the kids go down.

20:49 The bus stop was literally not even 200 meters from their front

20:52 door. So Nancy actually watched the

20:53 kids walk to the bus stop and get on the bus.

20:58 There was an old couple on the bus who witnessed the kids being

21:03 there. Apparently Jane was sitting up

21:04 the back reading her book, and her little sister and brother

21:08 were being a bit naughty and, like, poking their hands out the

21:12 window and really trying to get a rise out of Jane.

21:13 But she was just sitting there reading a little.

21:15 I love reading Little Women. She's so good.

21:18 Yeah, well, they were probably try to be.

21:19 They're probably being little, little shits.

21:21 Yeah. She's just being super excited

21:23 about going to the beach. Yeah.

21:25 Fun. This is the thing.

21:27 I mean, you hear all that of like that they had that kind of

21:29 that independence and going to the beach on their own.

21:31 I mean, yeah, our kids would absolutely revel in that, but

21:34 there's just no way. There's just.

21:36 There's no way. Man, but yeah, it was just the

21:38 norm. That was just very typical of

21:40 the time that that was, no one would have batten an eyelid that

21:44 that's what the kids were doing on their own.

21:45 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they got off the bus

21:48 about a block back from the beach and sort of made their way

21:52 down to the beach. Jane.

21:55 So Jim has spoken about Jane's, how responsible she was.

22:00 Yeah, she was an amazing swimmer.

22:02 The other two were good enough swimmers, but not as good as

22:06 Jane. Yeah, they had.

22:07 So rule of not being allowed to go out past their belly buttons.

22:10 I love that which I think Jane fully enforced like you imagine

22:13 first child the responsible one. Yeah.

22:16 Yeah, there'd be no, there'd be no going beyond your belly

22:18 button if Jane was in charge. So they've gone out and they've

22:22 had like, what seems to be a really nice morning at the

22:27 beach. Yeah.

22:28 The police over the time have pretty much, I think it's pretty

22:33 solidly known what the sequence of events is because they've

22:41 been able to over the time and very early on establish a, a

22:45 pretty vague timeline. But over the time when more and

22:47 more witnesses have come forward, they've actually been

22:51 able to establish a a pretty solid timeline for what happened

22:54 that day. Wasn't an overly populated area

22:56 in that like that people knew everyone like it wasn't these

22:59 the the Beaumont children were known to people in the area.

23:02 So there was there was the witnesses around the place were

23:05 kind of like, Oh yeah, they're the but that's the Beaumont kids

23:07 like, or, you know, I've seen them here before.

23:09 They were not known that they were.

23:10 That's what that that's what their surname was.

23:12 But they would, you know, roughly known.

23:14 And yeah, so there was also particularly like, there was

23:17 like a postman who who saw them and back in the state, they knew

23:21 who their postman was. The kids spoke to their postman

23:23 and said hi to him because he would.

23:25 Probably left him a bottle of beer at Christmas.

23:27 Absolutely. Well, they saw him like twice a

23:28 day back then, like, you know, so yeah, they, they did say hi

23:32 to him. So he, he knew when he saw them

23:34 and and that they had seen him. So yeah, there was plenty of

23:38 incidences where they can actually pinpoint the timeline

23:40 of where the kids were and what they were doing throughout that

23:42 time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:45 So I've got a very, like broad timeline written down.

23:50 I might just go through that and you can talk to those points.

23:52 Yeah. So as I said, heat wave, we know

23:57 that on January the 25th, they've had a really successful

24:01 go at this. And it wasn't the first time

24:04 that they'd been to the beach on their own, but literally the day

24:06 before they'd done what they were meant to do.

24:08 And within the week or so before that, Anna made a comment to

24:15 Nancy about Jane having a boyfriend.

24:19 I believe it was actually that morning the the 26th that that

24:22 that comment was made too. OK, that right.

24:25 OK, well, that's Oh my God, that's telling.

24:27 So I'm I wonder then whether they've seen him the day before?

24:31 This is it. That's where they were kind of

24:32 like we think that. Yeah, because, yeah, so the

24:35 comment was, you know, that. Yeah, that Jane has a boyfriend.

24:37 Jane has a boyfriend. Yeah, yeah.

24:39 Which Nancy sort of put off of like, you know, other found some

24:42 play friends, some, you know, other kids at the at the beach,

24:45 which is great. And, you know, and as kids do

24:48 though, you know, that's how Anna has seen it and, you know,

24:51 and picking on Jane a bit ignored it like totally like

24:55 whatever. Nothing that that was

24:57 insignificant when it was said. But in hindsight, it sort of go

25:01 there sort of seems to be someone that they had ditched,

25:04 she knew down around the beach area.

25:06 Yeah, so a bit of a bit of a red flag, but it's not like Anna's

25:09 gone. Oh Mum, it's a man.

25:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some old dudes hanging around

25:13 hanging around with Jane. Yeah, yeah.

25:14 It just was what it was, Yes. So the kids have gone on, gotten

25:19 on the bus at 10:30 AM That's 100% known because Nancy saw

25:23 them get on the bus. The couple, the old couple who

25:26 were on the bus completely corroborate that the bus driver

25:29 apparently was a bit not quite sure, but I mean, they had

25:33 enough evidence to to know that that's what.

25:37 That's what. Happened Nancy's.

25:40 Nancy expected that the kids would be back, so she told them

25:43 to catch the midday bus back home, which they'd done the day

25:46 before on January the 25th. She has, sorry.

25:50 She finished her chores. So the kids have gone off at

25:52 10:30. She's finished her chores,

25:54 ridden her bike over to a friend's place and had a coffee.

25:58 And then she's come back to be at the bus stop by 12:05 or

26:02 whatever time it was meant to get back.

26:03 And the kids didn't get off the bus.

26:05 She expected them to get off. And she's like, well, they've

26:07 probably just missed the bus. Yeah, lost track of time.

26:11 So the next bus. Certainly hasn't panicked at

26:13 that at all, really. Like, it's just, you know, I'll

26:15 tell them off when they get home.

26:16 But you know. Whatever.

26:17 And she could have, like, if she was worried, she probably would

26:20 have ridden her bike down there to see.

26:21 Yeah, but she wasn't. No, no, just waited for the next

26:24 bus. Yeah, which was 2 at 2:00 PM,

26:27 the 2:00 bus comes, they're not on it.

26:30 At about 250, Jim comes home. Yeah.

26:34 So he was not due to come home until the following day, but

26:38 sales hadn't been great. Long week with the public

26:41 holiday, sort of, you know, thing like yeah, going Harry was

26:44 expecting so better off the game came home, yeah.

26:46 So he decided to surprise everyone.

26:48 They didn't know he was coming home early.

26:50 But when he gets home and the kids aren't there and Nancy's

26:53 like, oh, the kids were meant to be on the 12:00 bus and they

26:55 haven't. They're not on the 2:00 bus.

26:57 And she was just sort of starting to get a little bit

26:59 concerned. Yeah.

27:01 At 3:00. So the next bus was due at 3:00

27:03 PM. And again, they weren't on that

27:05 bus at 3:30. They decided, Right, They've had

27:09 enough time. Now.

27:09 If they needed to walk home, they could have walked home in

27:11 this time. Yeah.

27:14 They decided, OK, now's the time to maybe go out and start

27:17 looking. So they decided that Nancy would

27:19 stay at home just in case the kids showed up.

27:22 Yeah. And obviously Jim would take the

27:23 car and drive down to Glenelg Beach, following the route that

27:27 they would if they were walking home that that's probably the

27:31 way they would go. Jim had an unsuccessful go at

27:38 that. He said, though it was so busy

27:41 down there because not only was it still kind of summer holidays

27:45 for school kids anyway, Yeah, there were so many people down

27:48 there. It was so hot.

27:49 They weren't where he would have expected them to be.

27:52 Where they. Were their main spots where they

27:54 go? Yeah, yeah.

27:55 No sign of them, No. So he then goes back home, picks

28:00 up Nancy, and together they go looking.

28:02 They look at the shops the kids would frequent.

28:05 Friends houses I think they popped into just to see if

28:08 they'd seen them and yeah, no sign of them.

28:11 Not at all, no. So by 6:30 they decide that they

28:15 will go to the police and report the kids missing.

28:18 To the police's credit, because you've got to think again,

28:21 contextually of the time, kidnappings weren't something

28:25 that happened. There was certainly more

28:27 concerned that something had gone wrong insert like an injury

28:30 or, you know, the children had fallen and hurt themselves or

28:32 got stuck somewhere. That was more their thought

28:34 process. Actually, an abduction of three

28:36 children particularly just unheard of completely.

28:40 The thought of someone being able to, you know, manage to

28:42 kidnap all three children without, you know, in date and

28:45 broad daylight was just completely unheard of, not even

28:48 really on their radar. No, it was more that, you know,

28:50 had they fallen off the site, off the Cliff somewhere, had

28:53 drawn or drowned, found. Yeah.

28:55 So they were more the police were more interested in looking

28:57 at into those avenues. Yeah.

28:59 Which, yeah, absolutely. I think that was the right thing

29:01 to do. For sure.

29:03 I mean, the local police immediately called headquarters

29:06 in Adelaide to file the report and they sent out detectives

29:08 straight away. Yeah, yeah, as you said, they

29:12 thought possibly drowning. So when they started searching,

29:16 they're looking for, they're looking in storm water drains.

29:18 They're flushing out, yeah, flushing out stormwater drains

29:21 to see if there's anything there.

29:22 The thing that sort of tips them to the fact that maybe something

29:27 else is going on is the fact that they can't find a single

29:30 possession of the kids stuff. So.

29:32 Yeah, if they're drowned or something that you'd still find

29:34 their towels and things on the beach.

29:36 Exactly. Or their penis, or the yeah, the

29:38 books or anything. Because they did have things

29:40 with them, like Jane had a little bag with her, you know,

29:44 to have all of the money and thing and her purse was inside

29:46 baths. Yep.

29:47 And all and their towels that they had for the beach because

29:49 they laid, you know, that they take them down and lay them out

29:52 on the grass and on the and on the sand.

29:54 So they had things that they would have left behind.

29:57 So there was an an incident. Yeah, they would find those

30:00 things. So the kids, they found, they

30:01 put together that the kids had 17 items with them.

30:04 Yeah, including like, their bathers.

30:07 And so Jane was wearing pink bathers, Anna was wearing red

30:12 green a Grant was wearing green and white shorts with no top

30:15 because you know, the ozone layer was still intact back in

30:18 1966. They had their 8 shillings and

30:22 sixpence and other bits and pieces all in a bag.

30:26 So 17 items all together. They thought they had some

30:28 shorts that they. Would change into and.

30:30 Change into so nothing was found, not one item of anything

30:38 the police decide. So there was apparently a

30:41 sighting of them at 7:00. So a lot of people came forward

30:44 because this was starting to then make the the late night

30:46 news. Yes, that night.

30:48 So I think there's like, there must have been like a 10:00 PM

30:51 news broadcast on the radio. I think that was the first thing

30:54 to come. Out, they did try and get some

30:55 things out as quickly as they could, but I mean people didn't

30:57 sit around. We didn't watch as much

30:58 television so and it was more the radio they'd listen to in

31:01 the evening before bed. But you know, there was

31:03 obviously was television, but it wasn't as watched or it was

31:07 harder to get this. Information TV finish at a

31:10 certain time. Yeah, we just.

31:11 Shut off, shut off, yes. So I don't even know that there

31:14 would have been a broadcast at that time of night by the time

31:17 they were getting the information.

31:18 Could have been the last broadcast might have been at

31:20 8:00 PM or something like yeah, yeah.

31:22 Yeah. So they've, you know, they've

31:24 done that. But that has brought a lot of

31:26 witnesses or people who thought they'd seen the kids to the

31:30 police station. And one of the detectives, I've

31:33 listened to an interview with him and he said there was a line

31:38 of people out the door at the police station.

31:40 He said we couldn't handle it. Yeah, it was.

31:42 There was so much information and we were taking statements

31:45 from every single person who came along and we had no way of

31:49 then investigating or verifying. What they were saying.

31:53 So we had to try and weed through all of the information

31:56 and look, people were trying to help be helpful, but a lot of

32:01 the sightings were not. Yeah, verifiable or maybe

32:05 weren't quite accurate. Accurate timings weren't

32:08 accurate. Yeah.

32:09 There was a supposed sighting of them at a Marina at 7:00 PM on

32:14 the night that they weren't missing, which timing wise does

32:17 not actually fit that it was them.

32:19 But to the police's credit, they actually drained that Marina.

32:22 Yes. And did you?

32:24 Did you have you seen footage of it?

32:26 No, I haven't. Oh, my God.

32:27 So they've drained this Marina, but there's still, like, silt

32:31 and mud, essentially. And they got the cadets, the

32:35 police cadets to wade through it.

32:37 They were literally belly deep. Yeah.

32:40 In this silt. And it would have.

32:41 Can you imagine how disgusting and stinky that would be?

32:44 Probably What? Did find in there?

32:47 Yeah. Oh.

32:48 Yuck. But again, yeah, nothing of the

32:50 kids was found in there, none of the possessions.

32:54 And so you know, onwards and upwards.

32:56 Yeah, yeah. I mean, so even like the poster

32:59 in the poster I was talking about earlier, his first actual

33:02 recount of the situation was that he'd seen of kids in the

33:04 afternoon at about 3:00 PM or something around that time,

33:07 which then he realized, Oh my gosh, no, it wasn't.

33:09 It was in the morning, which that threw them a little bit too

33:12 with other timelines. So there was a lot to get

33:14 through and a lot to then clarify and, you know, make sure

33:18 people were telling, you know, not that not telling the truth,

33:20 but as in, like, you know, they're remembering it correctly

33:23 and telling the right information.

33:24 So that's a huge task, especially with no computers.

33:27 This would all be handwritten notes from police trying to get

33:30 down everything from everyone. But yeah, a lot of people

33:33 wanting to help, though, a lot of people interested in.

33:35 I mean, this was huge at the time, even that, you know,

33:38 people were very concerned about this.

33:40 Yeah. Yeah, and they didn't have a

33:42 shortage of volunteers helping to search for the kids either.

33:45 No, at 11:00 AM, we know they, the kids walked to Collie

33:49 Reserve, which is just right next to Glenelg Beach, just on

33:53 off the side of the beach. Yeah.

33:54 And there was a sprinkler there. They were playing under the

33:57 sprinkler. A school friend of Jane saw them

33:59 there. So we know, we know it was

34:01 definitely them. They, Yep, they had a chat and

34:05 they, a woman who was sitting so the collie reserve across the

34:09 road from that is a Boat Club and an older woman was sitting

34:14 at the side of the Boat Club just watching the world go by

34:17 for an hour or so. She saw the three kids and a man

34:22 approached the children and she says in her statement that the

34:26 kids were really familiar with him, so much so that Jane was

34:29 jumping over him and flicking with.

34:30 Towels and yeah, jumping over him as he was lying there.

34:34 Like they were very familiar with this man.

34:36 Yeah. So this kind of, I think speaks

34:39 to the fact that this he he knew them.

34:43 Yeah, they knew. They knew him.

34:45 They were familiar enough that they had some kind of a rapport

34:49 with him. I mean to be jumping all over

34:51 him and playing with him in that way.

34:54 And from what Jim and Nancy say about Jane, particularly being

34:57 the older responsible, one of the children, she was a shy

35:01 girl. She wasn't someone who would

35:04 speak to strangers at all. Like they were very adamant

35:07 around that. And many other people have have

35:09 corroborated that in terms of school friends and things of

35:12 like what kind of personality she was and and how she would

35:15 have handled situations like that.

35:17 So were very that when her parents heard about this, that

35:20 there was this man that the the children were playing with like

35:23 this, they were really shocked because that's just not Jane

35:28 would have not interacted with someone who was not known to

35:31 them as a family. Yeah.

35:33 So yeah, it was very interesting.

35:35 So this speaks to me, a long, long standing sort of period of

35:43 grooming of the children. Yeah.

35:45 They'd been on summer holidays, you know, since before

35:48 Christmas. They would go to the beach

35:51 almost every day, Yeah. Has he actually had interactions

35:54 with them over that time, like on a daily or you know, every

35:58 second day sort of basis like. Yeah, yeah.

36:01 Interesting. It is interesting.

36:03 Like managed to get a description of this man that was

36:07 seen with him by multiple people, sort of there was the

36:10 older woman on the bench was able to give a very good

36:12 description, but other people corroborated that this was sort

36:15 of what the man looked like and very much so.

36:18 So he was described as being tall with fairish to light brown

36:21 hair, with a thin face, suntan complexion, medium build and

36:27 aged around his mid 30s. So that was what they went with.

36:30 And they actually did drew a composite of who that looked

36:34 like. So they had quite a good

36:36 description, very clear around who this man would be.

36:41 So yeah, basically that's where they've sort of got that

36:45 information that the children were with this person and at

36:48 roughly what times. But then it sort of disappears

36:52 from there in terms of trail. So there's a couple of sightings

36:56 from the of them interestingly, like they go, they go to the

36:59 bakery to purchase lunch. And so the lady behind the

37:04 counter there remembers it very distinctly that the children

37:07 arrived to buy lunch, which was budget.

37:10 It was well after the time they were expected to be home on that

37:12 12:00 PM. I believe it was around about

37:14 the 2:00 mark they were even. It was at no 15 ish. 12:15 They

37:18 went into the bakery about 12:12. 15 yeah.

37:20 So they were expected to be home by then.

37:21 Yeah, but yeah. 12:15 They were at the bakery buying lunch and

37:25 they bought quite a number of things.

37:27 They bought like 5 pasties a meat pie, which the woman noted

37:30 to she knew the children that she'd seen them in with their

37:32 their parents and things, and she noted that they'd never

37:35 bought a meat pie before. They were pasty pasty family

37:38 for. For those of you who don't know

37:39 what a pasty is, oh delightful, Yum, delightful pastry with

37:43 veggies and meat inside. And you know, gotta have good

37:47 old tomato sauce on top of. It and then a meat pie for our

37:50 American friends. I don't know what that is

37:52 either. You do put meat in a pie?

37:54 Yeah. It's the greatest thing on

37:56 Earth. There are a few times in life

38:00 where a meat pie is called for. Yes, grand final day.

38:03 Grand final day for sure. 100% yeah and a birthday party.

38:09 Party pie, Mini party pie. You can't have a kids birthday

38:11 party without party pie. No, no.

38:14 So yeah, they bought yeah, the five pasty pasties, a meat pie.

38:17 They bought 3 big bottles of lemonade, so this was more food

38:22 than they would have needed for three children.

38:24 Like, that's right, finger buns. Yeah.

38:26 So 6. So you're looking more like

38:27 they're purchasing for six people by counting at least.

38:30 At least, Yeah, at least six, because they've got 6 hot.

38:35 Food. Items.

38:36 Yeah, and they've got the six finger buns and. 3, three big

38:39 bottles of giant bottles of lemonade, lemonade.

38:41 So yeah, a lot of food and a lot of yeah, a lot to consume.

38:45 So but they've also then to pay for this, which there's no way

38:48 the, the money that their mom had given them would have

38:50 covered that, but they've handed over a 1 LB note to pay for

38:54 this. Now, a 1 LB note back in the day

38:56 was a lot of money, equivalent to around about $40 today.

39:00 So it was, it was noted by the woman behind the counter because

39:04 no one brought in 1 LB notes like that was a lot of money.

39:08 So she I mean gave them change. And you know, from that 1 LB

39:13 note, I mean that God sounds like God.

39:15 It sounds like heaven doesn't 1 LB and you get all.

39:17 That all that. And some change, and some change

39:19 to go home with too. But yeah, so that was, it was

39:22 very notable by the woman in there in in there sort of going

39:24 what's going, She did sort of query what, yeah, what was going

39:27 on there. Grant made a comment to her that

39:29 the meat pie was for the the man.

39:31 The man. Yeah.

39:32 And she was like, oh, but there was no man with them.

39:34 They came in alone. Yes, and it's not like there was

39:37 a man. Wavering in the background?

39:39 No SO. She she just noted it as being

39:42 odd. Yeah, but I mean, she was just

39:44 selling them what she was selling them.

39:45 Yeah, it was what it was. Yes, yeah.

39:49 They were then spotted back in Collie Reserve and an elderly

39:55 couple was there at the time and spotted them and at the time

39:59 this man approached them and asked the elderly couple about

40:03 some missing money. So what had happened was

40:06 somehow. The kid, the money that the kids

40:09 had had gone missing. Now again, we are in 1966.

40:14 It was not a time where you would worry about somebody

40:19 stealing, you know, your, your, what was it shillings and

40:22 expense. It was just people were

40:27 trustworthy and you could leave your belongings on the beach and

40:30 go for a bit of a swim and not worry about someone nicking off

40:33 with your stuff. So the this man has gone up to

40:36 the elderly couple and said, oh, have you seen the kids money?

40:38 It's gone missing. Yeah.

40:40 What's your theory on the money she?

40:42 Said our money's gone missing. Oh.

40:43 Sorry, he absolutely did this. Is interesting language to use

40:47 like that. He he's basically putting

40:49 himself as they're all they are together.

40:52 They're yeah, which is interesting.

40:54 The other thing that the couple noted and reported to police was

40:57 that he helped the kids get changed.

40:59 Yes, and the woman of the couple said that it was a bit odd

41:04 because Jane was nine years old and perfectly capable of putting

41:08 on her own shorts, but he put them on for her.

41:11 Oh, mm, hmm, mm, hmm. It gives me the heebie jeebies.

41:17 Absolutely. The man then went into the

41:19 chain, like there was a little toilet sort of block there, and

41:24 the man went into the toilet block to change.

41:26 And the kids waited for him, waited outside.

41:29 But he had nothing else with him.

41:30 He literally had like his shorts that he was wearing.

41:34 He didn't he wasn't carrying anything.

41:36 He didn't have a bag. So that is interesting as well

41:41 that he didn't have anything else with him.

41:43 So people sort of wore it. Wonder what are the possessions

41:46 he had with him. Like there was nothing he wasn't

41:49 carrying a wallet, you know, so he didn't have wouldn't have had

41:52 maybe that 1 LB note with him at that time because he had nowhere

41:57 to keep it. Like there wasn't things on him.

42:00 Keys. Yeah, no, no bag.

42:04 It is very interesting, Yeah. The elderly couple then left

42:09 Collie Reserve. They were just done doing

42:11 whatever they were doing for the day and went home.

42:15 And that was the last fully corroborated sighting of the

42:19 children. Yeah.

42:21 So this and that was at about 12:30.

42:23 Yeah. So from 12:30 we know what was

42:27 going on with Nancy. She was at home waiting for

42:30 them. What came after that is still

42:36 largely unknown. Yes, yeah.

42:42 The police were a little bit, they weren't really sure where

42:46 to go. They'd never come across

42:49 something like this before. Certainly, as you said, not of

42:52 three children going missing or being kidnapped.

42:57 The thought of kidnapping was sort of really now starting to

43:00 take a bit of hold because they were like, well, what else could

43:02 have happened? We've searched all of the places

43:04 where they could have like fallen in a drain or hurt

43:07 themselves or they could have walked off.

43:10 They thought the police even on the day that they went missing,

43:12 the police actually went to the house to do a search around

43:16 there because they thought that maybe they felt like they might

43:19 get into trouble because they'd missed the first bus and they

43:21 were hiding at home somewhere. Yeah, they weren't.

43:24 No. So they then the police then

43:28 were looking. OK, well let's look at sex

43:29 offenders in known sex offenders in the area and see where we go

43:33 with that. They were able to amazing police

43:37 work but they were able to provide an alibi for every known

43:41 sex offender in with I think it was within a 5 kilometre radius.

43:46 Does that sound? Like, that's right.

43:47 Yeah, yeah. So that would have been a lot of

43:50 people. Mm hmm.

43:51 Yeah, because this would have been so scary for everyone at

43:55 that point though, because it was like 3 days later on the

43:57 29th of January that the Sunday Mail, actually their newspaper

44:02 that morning, the headline was sex crime now feared.

44:06 I mean, Can you imagine as a parent, like just that dawning

44:09 on you of like, that's if that's possibly what's happened to

44:11 these three kids, Like, that would just be horrendous.

44:15 Yeah. You can't even imagine.

44:17 It not not so I mean that's where it's like really shaped

44:19 Australia, you know these sorts of things that's kind of open

44:22 parents minds up I guess to the possibilities of being out, you

44:26 know the kids being out unsupervised but.

44:29 I think it's probably worth mentioning now too, that Nancy

44:33 and Jim were, I guess investigated as well, because we

44:36 know that, you know, it's, it's possible and actually quite

44:40 likely that people known to the children were involved with

44:44 this. They 100% have been ruled out.

44:49 They have not like Jim's alibi was was completely corroborated.

44:54 Nancy's was to, they have always, they always, they were,

45:03 they always help the police. They always did everything that

45:05 was asked of them. Every they participated in all

45:09 the interviews that they were asked to do.

45:10 They they did everything. They were not involved in this

45:13 at all. No, I watched a TikTok about

45:15 this where they were suggesting that.

45:18 Oh yeah, suggesting that. Well, have they actually been

45:21 looked into? And I'm like, no, we are not

45:22 going down that conspiracy theory pathway.

45:25 There is no evidence to suggest it.

45:27 In fact, there is only evidence to the contrary.

45:30 Yeah, they've, I mean, they've got absolutely absolute alibis,

45:32 the two parents, I mean, there's nothing pointing towards them.

45:35 And not only that, I mean what plays out which we can go

45:38 through of that for the year over the years of this of like

45:41 how things that people came up of like theories around what

45:45 happened and they were willing to hear all of it and and take

45:50 it all on and pursue any Ave. to find these children.

45:53 It's not like they, I don't know, shut down and wouldn't

45:57 participate in these things And they, you know, fell for certain

46:00 things in certain ways, you know, and followed things

46:02 through to their own detriment because I mean, God would've

46:05 been heartbreaking when find out these things aren't true and

46:07 they haven't found their children still.

46:09 So, I mean, they've been through hell.

46:11 Absolute hell yeah. Nancy left the kids rooms or and

46:14 Jim, they left the kids rooms exactly the way they found them.

46:19 And I in watching an interview with Jim, he was he was more

46:23 sort of media like fronted to the media more frequently.

46:26 There's not a lot of interviews with Nancy.

46:31 But Jim, he was in one of the interviews I watched.

46:35 My God, my heart broke for him. But he said they've chosen to

46:39 believe that the children alive and are alive and well.

46:42 So this, this interview was I think, maybe a month or two

46:45 after the kids disappeared. Yeah.

46:47 He said we choose to believe that the kids are alive and well

46:51 and will return to US one day. Oh.

46:55 Oh my. Gosh, I don't know.

46:56 They didn't move out of that home at all for years.

46:58 Like, you know, because the Nancy was had said that, you

47:01 know, it would would be wrong for the children if they came

47:04 home and found that we weren't there, you know.

47:06 So I mean, I think to the point where she probably didn't live

47:08 much of A life after that because he was terrified of not

47:11 being there when the kids turned.

47:13 Like, oh, it would just be awful.

47:15 Horrible. Yeah, the police were

47:16 investigating whether the kids had been taken potentially to

47:19 New Zealand because in 1966 you didn't need a passport to go to

47:23 New Zealand. They were looking all across the

47:27 country to see whether they'd been taken, you know, anywhere

47:30 there was. All over the place were, you

47:32 know, coming in with tips and things of sightings of the

47:34 children, as far as, you know, Victoria, Tasmania, yeah, all

47:39 sorts of stories, you know. And so, yeah, I mean, all these

47:42 things were checked, were followed up as they should have

47:44 been, you know, But also, you know, they were skeptical when

47:48 these sorts of things came in, but followed them up for sure.

47:51 Yeah, yeah. There was a really interesting

47:53 incident that happened in September of 1966, so seven

47:56 months after the kids went missing.

47:59 Senior Constable was, he was based in, I think he was like

48:04 one of the border towns between Victoria and SA and he was

48:07 making a phone call to headquarters.

48:09 His name was Senior Constable Ron Gross.

48:12 He picked up the line and do you ever remember getting a cross

48:14 line? Oh yes, gosh.

48:17 So back in the day you could, I guess our phone system wasn't

48:21 amazing. I don't actually know.

48:22 How it happened, similar or I don't know.

48:24 Yeah, I. Don't think so, because I

48:26 remember like, you can pick it up and you could hear people

48:28 talking. Yeah, you didn't even have to.

48:30 I don't even think you had to dial.

48:32 I'm not sure. No, you must have had to have

48:33 dialed. You had to have dialed to get.

48:35 It out of yeah, yeah anyway, but whatever.

48:38 It definitely. Happen.

48:39 It absolutely happened, Yeah. And you could hear a

48:41 conversation between two people. He, this senior constable picks

48:46 up the phone to make his phone call and he overhears a cross

48:51 line conversation saying we're bringing the Beaumont kids back

48:55 from home at Hobart. We're tired and we think it's

48:58 time to give up. Yeah, Gross reported this to the

49:02 homicide squad as he absolutely should have done.

49:05 And it really got Jim and Nancy's hopes up and they so

49:10 much so that Jim actually drove to Gross to talk to him face to

49:15 face to fully get it from him story to hear it from him.

49:20 Unfortunately, we later find out that they were able to to track

49:25 these two women down and they were actually, they were talking

49:30 about the Beaumont children in the conversation.

49:31 But then the bit where they were saying it's we're tired and we

49:34 think it's time to give up and bringing kids back from Hobart,

49:37 That wasn't actually in relation to the to the Beaumont.

49:40 No, it was in relation to something else.

49:41 And again, that that was all checked out and, and the women

49:44 were not, the women were not speaking out of turn or anything

49:47 like that. It was just a bit of a

49:49 misinterpretation of a conversation that had been

49:52 overheard out of context. Yeah, yeah.

49:55 I mean, yeah, heartbreaking. Then to like, I mean that

49:58 thought of like, you know, that you finally works, that found

50:00 something, found where they are or something.

50:02 And then to, you know, get that blow that it's not awful, but.

50:05 Yeah, for three, it took them three days to trace that call,

50:08 the women in that call and in that time which.

50:09 Is pretty impressive to be honest.

50:11 Like I I think that's pretty. I think so, too.

50:14 Yeah. But in that time, Nancy went on

50:15 TV. This is one of her very few TV

50:18 interviews. Yeah.

50:19 And she said, please listen with your heart and let them come

50:22 home. Oh gosh, so another Ave. that

50:28 people went down was that they got a lot of psychics and

50:30 clairvoyance involved too, which again, as you all know, I am

50:36 clairvoyant. Like, yeah.

50:39 You've mentioned you've mentioned this before.

50:40 I can tell you all very clearly and honestly that all

50:44 clairvoyance are shit ass and don't know what they're talking

50:46 about. But anyway, that's my, my, my

50:50 psychic abilities. But there was this very, very

50:53 well known psychic. So he was Corsette was his name

50:58 Gerard. Gerard Corsette.

51:01 So Dutch. Yes, Dutch.

51:02 So he, he was from back home. If he was like commenting on the

51:07 Beaumont children that he was, he believed they'd have been

51:09 there for them to be in, you know, this particular place that

51:12 he'd seen things. And so over here in Australia,

51:15 people were finding out that information and following up

51:18 some things that he was coming out with.

51:20 But it got to a point where they were like, oh, if only he could

51:22 be here, then he'd be able to see it better because he'd been,

51:26 you know, he'd probably pick it up more being closer, I think.

51:29 People had been like literally posting him photos of the area

51:32 and yeah, he'd be like, Oh, no, I need to now see a of this.

51:35 And they but, you know, they'd snail, you know, snail mail.

51:39 Yeah, it over to him. And so it was taking a really

51:42 long time. And yeah, so he agreed to come

51:44 out to Australia, so people got together and like and brought

51:47 him out here. It was funded by an Adelaide

51:50 businessman. Yeah, yeah.

51:52 Which in the end he did. He ended up taking no payment

51:55 for coming out. Yeah.

51:56 I think I would have paid for his airfare or something like

51:58 that. But he he, he was very like, I

52:00 mean, good on him. Like he believes that.

52:02 He thinks he knew stuff, but yeah, so.

52:04 And he didn't take payment for being here at the time.

52:06 Can I just, can I just interject just real quick.

52:10 So when he arrived in Adelaide, so the The Beatles had been in

52:13 Adelaide 2 years prior. When he arrived in Adelaide,

52:17 there were more people to greet him at the airport than they

52:21 were to greet The Beatles. For God's sake, that's.

52:23 A joke. I'm sorry that can't.

52:26 I think it goes to show just how impactful this bonus.

52:30 Public interest in this case was huge and I do get that, but.

52:37 The Beatles, guys, come on, The Beatles.

52:40 Okay, anyway, sorry, no, no going very important.

52:45 Yeah, so he came out and he when he got here, he just sort of

52:51 following different avenues and switching and changing and oh,

52:54 now I need to be taken to here and now I need to be taken to

52:57 there. And the whole time he was being,

52:59 you know, taking these places, he had a slew of people in tow

53:02 of like, you know, just onlookers, but also media,

53:05 etcetera. And look, the Beaumont's, the

53:07 Beaumont's weren't, they didn't buy into this a whole lot, but

53:10 they certainly were grateful for anyone, you know, trying to help

53:13 them out. So they were very much like,

53:15 we'll see what comes with this. But he, he became very 'cause it

53:19 became very fixed on a particular factory where he

53:22 believed that the children had not come to harm from another

53:25 person. He believed that there was an

53:26 accident and that that had caused their deaths.

53:29 And so he ended up becoming very fixated on a particular factory

53:31 where he felt that they had passed away.

53:34 But that factory had recently just had some upgrades to it and

53:38 some new concrete laid. And so the the building owners

53:41 weren't too keen to demolish the works they had had done, which I

53:46 can understand that too just based on a clairvoyant sort of

53:49 absolutely guy coming in. Think that the company like it

53:52 was a brick mill or something and they had these long shoots

53:55 that went sort of underground or something like.

53:58 That. Yeah.

53:59 And they, those shoots had been filled in with concrete for

54:02 this, whatever they were doing to the to the factory.

54:04 Yeah. And what the owners of the

54:07 factory said was we thoroughly, thoroughly checked each thing

54:12 before we filled it with concrete.

54:14 Yeah, they were. They were very confident that

54:17 there wasn't anything there to be, that whatever they works

54:19 they had done had done that There was not nothing untoward

54:23 in there. So yeah.

54:26 But anyway, locals all got together and they ended up

54:28 raising $40,000, which would have been a lot of money.

54:31 But in that time, I just, that seems, yeah, like a hell of a

54:34 lot to have raised to be able to demolish this area.

54:40 And so it was done And, and, and lo and behold, nothing was

54:44 found. And also to back that up again,

54:46 I mean, and real credit to the owners of the building, when the

54:49 building then in, I think it was, oh gosh, 19, I want to say,

54:54 oh gosh, what year was it? It was quite a bit later.

54:57 The building was actually flagged for being demolished

55:01 entirely. I think it was in like 96 or.

55:04 Something like it was a yeah, it was a long time later, but yeah,

55:06 so like, yeah, around that time that they, the building was

55:09 flagged to be demolished. And so when that happened, they

55:12 they basically said, well, let's do a really, really thorough

55:14 check of everything when that occurred.

55:17 And again, nothing was found. So in that process as well.

55:20 So it was very clear that there was nothing that unfortunately,

55:25 I don't think Mr. Mr. Closet was on to anything, unfortunately,

55:30 in the that factory. So he went home having not found

55:35 really what was wanted at that point.

55:38 Yeah, so once again, I guess the Beaumont family had been, you

55:43 know, led to nothing. But the next one was this one

55:47 really killed me. Was that two years after the

55:50 children's disappearance? February of 1968.

55:54 Yeah, some letters arrived at the Beaumont's house, 1 written

56:00 from Jane and one written by the man who had abducted them.

56:06 The point of these letters was so convincing of that the police

56:11 actually looked at them and checked because obviously, as we

56:14 spoke earlier, Jane liked to write letters and she often did

56:16 that for her parents. They so they had evidence of her

56:19 handwriting. And so looking at the

56:21 handwriting of Jane's that they knew was Jane's, and looking at

56:25 these letters, they really couldn't rule out that this

56:28 wasn't Jane writing the letters. There was enough similarities to

56:30 say that this could be Jane, especially with our guests

56:34 considering that she's two years older.

56:37 There was one little hint in there that this cost possibly

56:39 couldn't be real, in that they had spelt Anna's name wrong and

56:43 put and spelt Anna with 1 N instead of two.

56:47 So that was a little bit of a red flag of like.

56:48 I think to me, I think that's a massive.

56:51 Red flag. I think so too.

56:52 Knowing Jane's personality type, the fact that she was a letter

56:56 writer and obviously writing was a really strong point for her.

57:00 Writing and reading was very much her thing.

57:02 I don't think she would have misspelt her.

57:04 Neither do I. Name.

57:05 And I think to me that that is enough.

57:09 My only thing with it with that I then go you can't just go with

57:12 that and go, Oh, this isn't it is a trauma base.

57:15 Sure. This.

57:17 You don't know what that child's been through to kind of go.

57:21 She spelled her sister's name wrong.

57:22 Is that enough to go? We're not even going to follow

57:24 this. Up Oh, even if she'd spelled,

57:26 even if she they'd given completely different names, I

57:29 think he would have still held out hope and tried for it.

57:32 Absolutely as a. Parent.

57:34 So in these letters, Jane spoke that the fact that the man had

57:38 taken them and had been nice to them, but, and he was ready to

57:42 give them back to their parents. And to do that, that the parents

57:46 would need to come to Victoria, to Dandenong and, and they,

57:51 yeah, to pick the children up. They could come and meet the the

57:54 man there and pick the children up.

57:56 So, but the catch was that they were not to involve the police.

58:01 So obviously they, the parents did speak to the police and

58:05 showed them these letters. And that's where they looked at

58:06 them and said, yeah, well, let's follow this up.

58:09 So they wrote back and organized a pickup of the children and the

58:15 detective, detective from from Adelaide who was heading up the

58:19 the investigation went over with them.

58:22 Now he made a little bit of a slight mistake.

58:24 Unfortunately, this police officer because he booked into a

58:27 hotel in Dandenong in Victoria under his real name.

58:32 So his name was Detective Sergeant Stan Swain.

58:35 Yes. So he used that full name, or

58:38 not detective, but Stan Swain. Now, because this case was so

58:42 widely known, the locals knew that name and knew that he was

58:46 connected to the Beaumont. No, you know what happened.

58:49 So this, this bit got me the, the hotel, the apparently they'd

58:55 had a spate of yes, like robberies and that kind of

58:59 thing. So the hotel manager, yeah,

59:02 would call the police to do a background check on anyone who

59:05 booked in. That's right.

59:06 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and so,

59:07 yeah. That blows my mind.

59:09 Like he's a you're a hotel. Yeah.

59:11 Like you've just got to take who comes.

59:13 Are you literally doing a background check on everyone who

59:15 comes in? But he was, Yeah.

59:16 And he? Didn't know them already he was

59:18 doing background checks on them yes.

59:20 So they will. So the cops were like, Oh no, we

59:23 that's Detective Swain. Like, you know that he's.

59:25 From the homicide, the homicide squad, but.

59:27 It was then connected up, but hang on, that's the Beaumont

59:30 kids like he was in charge. He's he heads up that because

59:33 he'd been known he'd been out in the media.

59:35 So unfortunately, this guy let it slip.

59:38 That's who was staying at the hotel.

59:40 He. Contacted a reporter from the

59:42 Herald's son. What an asshole.

59:44 Yeah. I mean, you don't know why he

59:46 was there, whether it was just, you know, pleasure or for work,

59:50 but he'd made an assumption that he was in town on the Beaumont

59:52 case. Unfortunately, he was true.

59:54 It was true that that's what that was linked to.

59:57 So anyway, the day come, the day comes where Jim is out there

1:00:00 waiting to hopefully have his kids be delivered.

1:00:03 To him, yeah, at the Dandenong Post Office, he's told to wait

1:00:06 out there at 8:50 AM on the 26th of February, and he waited.

1:00:12 Waited. He stood.

1:00:13 Out there and waited. He was told to wear white pants

1:00:15 and a dark shirt so that he could be identified by the man.

1:00:18 Yeah, again, he's done that. The local post office received a

1:00:24 telephone call from a man with a deep voice.

1:00:27 Yeah, at about 9:00 AM And the person was asked to relay a

1:00:31 message to Jim saying we're just running a bit late.

1:00:35 Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on. Throughout the course of the

1:00:39 day, several other businesses surrounding the post office's

1:00:43 post office received similar calls.

1:00:45 And Jim just kept getting in. These random people coming up to

1:00:48 him going, oh, just hold on. The person who you're meeting

1:00:50 won't be much longer. They're on their way.

1:00:52 They're on the way. Jim stood out the front of that

1:00:55 post office for three days. That just breaks my heart.

1:01:03 It's horrible, it's horrible. So in the end the guy called it

1:01:06 off because he had contacted the police.

1:01:09 They left Melbourne, went back to Adelaide and found another

1:01:13 letter from the man explaining that unfortunately you had got

1:01:17 the police involved and therefore I couldn't bring the

1:01:20 children to you, which just would have, I mean, that would

1:01:24 have just killed me. Like, absolutely horrible.

1:01:26 But he also said in that letter, yeah, like he basically said

1:01:30 it's too late now because you've contacted the police.

1:01:32 But don't worry, I'll put them on a train to Adelaide, have

1:01:35 their bedrooms ready. Oh God, how disgusting.

1:01:40 Because then they're hanging on to that awful.

1:01:44 But then he also said this bit creeped me out.

1:01:46 Oh yeah, I'm taking extra good care of the kiddies.

1:01:51 Oh, kiddies, sorry, no, but it so to rule out that guy took a

1:01:58 very long time. So it wasn't until 1992 when

1:02:01 forensics increased their technology ability to be able to

1:02:05 like look at fingerprints that were on the letters.

1:02:08 And unfortunately, it confirmed that, yes, this man, that with

1:02:11 the fingerprints on the letters, they were able to track him down

1:02:15 and spoke to him. And at this point, the man was

1:02:17 41 years of age, so making him only 17 at the time of writing.

1:02:21 The letters confirmed that this guy had nothing to do with the

1:02:24 Beaumont children and that unfortunately, he thought at 17

1:02:27 years of age that that was something funny to do.

1:02:30 He wasn't charged in any way. It was.

1:02:32 Something that he expressed deep regret and remorse for.

1:02:35 He, I couldn't believe he'd done it.

1:02:38 And I guess once he'd gotten into it and it just sort of

1:02:40 snowballed and he just kept it going.

1:02:43 Yeah. Shame on him.

1:02:44 I mean at 17 years old you should absolutely know better

1:02:47 than I would hate. That a 17 year old in this day

1:02:49 and age would know better than that, let alone back then.

1:02:51 Yeah. I mean, at 17 years, probably

1:02:52 working full time out in the, you know, out in a job

1:02:55 somewhere. But oh, yeah.

1:02:56 Awful. So, yeah, not until 1992 because

1:02:59 they ruled that out, that that was where the kids were.

1:03:01 You know, it's pretty sickening, but unfortunately we go on then

1:03:06 to look at where, what other suspects they, they looked at

1:03:10 throughout this. So because there were quite a

1:03:13 few that came up, I know we were talking about earlier about this

1:03:16 sort of looking at this case really opened up quite a few

1:03:18 other cases within Adelaide. Yeah.

1:03:20 That we've looked at that, yeah, far more than we realized that

1:03:23 we're there. There's a couple here that I'm

1:03:25 adding to our list of, of cases that we want to look at because

1:03:28 there's some interesting characters that got looked at

1:03:31 through this process, some that were categorically ruled out.

1:03:34 Yep. And Yep, worked out that yes,

1:03:36 no, that person had nothing to do with this.

1:03:37 But others to this day are still on that list of possibility of

1:03:41 being culprits of this this horrible, horrible incident.

1:03:48 Which one would you like to start with?

1:03:50 I was actually. Do you think we should talk

1:03:51 about Joanne and Kirsty first? Well.

1:03:54 Oh yeah. OK, yeah.

1:03:55 And yeah. And sort of like form, form

1:03:57 around that. Yeah, for sure.

1:03:59 On the 25th of August in 1973, there was a similar abduction

1:04:02 that occurred at Adelaide Oval, 11 year old Joanne and four year

1:04:06 old Christy who were friends. They were known to their

1:04:09 parents, were known to one another.

1:04:10 Family. They didn't really know each

1:04:11 other though, The two kids, not more parents, Yeah.

1:04:15 They were at a footy match and Kirsty the little 4 year old

1:04:19 needed to go to the toilet and Joanne was like oh I'll take

1:04:21 her, no worries. They went to the toilet and

1:04:25 about, you know, they, the parents expected them to be back

1:04:28 within 5 odd minutes. 20 minutes later the girls still hadn't

1:04:32 come back so they raised the alarm.

1:04:34 There were police on site at the at the Oval.

1:04:36 Well, it took them a couple of times to get people on board to

1:04:39 start looking. Yeah.

1:04:40 Because again, it was the time was like, oh, they'll turn up.

1:04:43 Although do you think at the back of their mind, like

1:04:45 obviously the fact that the Beaumont case had happened, I

1:04:48 know it was many, many years before or eight years before.

1:04:51 Yeah, they probably acted in a slightly different way to what

1:04:55 they would have had the Beaumont case not happened.

1:04:58 Oh. I think so, yeah.

1:04:59 There were witnesses that who saw the girls being taken out of

1:05:02 the southern gate of the of the Oval and they were struggling.

1:05:07 Why didn't those witnesses step in and do something?

1:05:09 Well, they assumed it was apparent, you know, struggling

1:05:12 with a young kid like it. And I, I, it's, yeah, blows your

1:05:16 mind. But yeah, a lot of people saw

1:05:17 this father like as they thought he was with two young kids and

1:05:22 yeah, the younger one was, you know, being being a pain.

1:05:25 And so he picked her, picked that one up and had him and had

1:05:28 her under his arm, right. And the older 1 so.

1:05:31 People assumed he was a parent. Assumed it was the have you?

1:05:33 Seen the identity sketch of him, of this yeah person.

1:05:38 It is so similar, yeah, to the one that was done of the

1:05:42 Beaumont's captor. Yeah.

1:05:44 So are they linked? Are they not?

1:05:46 He was described as average height, stooped posture.

1:05:49 He was wearing a wide brimmed Acoubra hat when you actually

1:05:51 put the identicate photos side by side.

1:05:54 Yes, one, the only difference is the hat.

1:05:57 Yeah, yeah, like it's. So similar, yes, so so similar,

1:06:01 absolutely. And the, the identicate sketch

1:06:04 of the of the Adelaide Oval man was a lot better informed

1:06:11 because they had so many witnesses.

1:06:13 There were four or five people, I think, who put together, who

1:06:17 helped put together the sketch. Yeah.

1:06:19 So the fact that they were able to get such a likeness to the

1:06:23 Beaumont sketch, which I think was informed by one or two

1:06:26 people, yeah. Interest.

1:06:28 It's very interesting, very interesting.

1:06:30 So there's sort of, yeah, this idea that these two cases are

1:06:34 linked. Yeah, we can't confirm that at

1:06:36 all, but that's just the idea. Is that quite possibly the

1:06:40 person who who took Joanne and Kirstie also took the three

1:06:46 Beaumont children? Yeah.

1:06:47 So let's now go through the list of who that person could

1:06:50 potentially be. Let's let's do that.

1:06:53 Should we start with maybe the most evil man on earth?

1:06:55 Oh yeah, that's probably a good idea.

1:06:57 Yeah, Bev and Spencer von Inem. Oh my God.

1:07:02 Oh my freaking God. OK, so the biggest thing with

1:07:07 with Von Inam, I got his name right.

1:07:11 He oh God, I don't even know where to start with this.

1:07:15 I don't I didn't do a massive deep dive into him because I was

1:07:18 like, oh God, this is a whole case on its own.

1:07:19 It it absolutely is. I've never heard of him until

1:07:22 this point. Like, so I have to admit that

1:07:24 this is not someone who was on my radar at all.

1:07:25 But Oh, my God, I'm now like he's on the list for later on.

1:07:29 So he was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1984 for

1:07:33 murdering a a boy mate named the name of Richard Kelvin.

1:07:37 He was a teenage boy of a news reader, actually, Rob Kelvin in

1:07:43 Adelaide. So he he was, you know, had a

1:07:44 bit of notoriety, you know, in that sense.

1:07:46 But yeah, so, yeah, awful, absolutely awful.

1:07:49 And what he did to poor Richard was horrific.

1:07:54 So whilst he was in jail, I believe he spoke to a man who

1:07:58 has only been identified as Mr. B.

1:08:01 Mr. B has related quite a few of of Von Ayman's confessions, so

1:08:07 they believe that he has committed far more murders than

1:08:10 just the one that he's been linked to quite a few different

1:08:13 cases. I read somewhere that it's

1:08:14 potentially over 20. Yeah. 20, yeah.

1:08:18 Crazy, but in particular he apparently claims to have been

1:08:24 He claims, according to Mr. B, he claimed to having taken the

1:08:28 Beaumont children's children and conducting experiments on them.

1:08:35 Now according to Mr. B von Eimann says that he joined the

1:08:40 three children together and that in that process he was

1:08:44 successful, and that one of the children though did pass away,

1:08:50 which meant that he then killed the other two children.

1:08:53 Had two cat 2. Which was disappointing to him,

1:08:58 and then he disposed of their bodies like that just is utterly

1:09:04 one of the most revolting things I've ever heard.

1:09:05 He is. You're right, he's absolutely a

1:09:09 piece of shit. God.

1:09:11 So yes, von Einman is a disgusting piece of shirt, but

1:09:17 the biggest thing that links him in terms of this case, sorry, he

1:09:22 also does claim that he took the Adelaide Oval children as well.

1:09:26 So he also has claims to that. Now The thing is he resembles

1:09:30 the description of the Adelaide Oval and then obviously the

1:09:33 Beaumont children's kidnapping like very much so to AT he is

1:09:40 very much looks like this person.

1:09:43 So there's that. The only thing is that they

1:09:45 believe is that he was a little bit too young for the age he

1:09:49 would have been, early 20s at this time of the Beaumont

1:09:52 children. I, I, I've read that, yeah.

1:09:55 But if the witnesses say, the witnesses say he's in his 30s,

1:10:01 and if he had this tanned, leathery skin that can age you.

1:10:05 So to me that doesn't really rule him out.

1:10:08 I don't know that I would necessarily like to.

1:10:10 I wouldn't like to be asked how old do I think someone is, even

1:10:13 in under the pressure of like, you know, this, you're

1:10:15 identifying someone who's kidnapped three children in

1:10:19 their 20s and their 30s. Yeah.

1:10:21 Like, because some people look older than they should and other

1:10:23 people look younger than they do.

1:10:24 Like, Yep, I don't. I doesn't.

1:10:27 That doesn't rule him out to me. Yep.

1:10:30 The other thing was he was known to frequent Glenelg Beach and

1:10:34 perv on the changing rooms. Yeah.

1:10:38 He was described as preoccupied with children, so the the look

1:10:45 the Beaumont children, though the other thing they do sort of

1:10:47 say is that their Beaumont children were younger than his

1:10:49 typical. Yeah, because he normally went

1:10:52 for like teenage boys didn't. He yeah, yeah.

1:10:54 So that doesn't quite fit. And again as well, with the

1:10:57 Adelaide Oval being two young girls.

1:10:59 Yeah. But who knows?

1:11:01 I mean, serial killers are known to branch out.

1:11:04 It doesn't seem too far from other of things he's done.

1:11:09 So to me he's pretty up there as a possibility and he certainly

1:11:14 has not been ruled out to this day.

1:11:16 Or that's the other thing. There's footage of Channel 7

1:11:20 news now, I believe. Oh, it was archival footage, but

1:11:26 I couldn't, I couldn't pinpoint what year the actual footage was

1:11:29 from that in the background of the news reporter comment

1:11:34 talking about the Beaumont children.

1:11:37 He is potentially being identified in the background of

1:11:40 that. So they've ruled that out.

1:11:41 Oh, have they? That has since yes.

1:11:43 So they, at the time, they thought that it was him.

1:11:46 Yes. And the police really went went

1:11:48 for it yeah. That really pushed them to

1:11:50 investigate. Yeah, right.

1:11:52 A lot more because again, it's known that often murderers will

1:11:56 revisit the scene of their crime.

1:12:00 They that it was many, many years later that it was actually

1:12:05 found that wasn't him. OK, All right.

1:12:07 They were able to use some kind of facial recognition software.

1:12:10 OK, so it was much further down later.

1:12:13 Yeah. To actually show that the bone

1:12:14 structure wasn't right. And it wasn't.

1:12:16 It wasn't. Him.

1:12:17 OK, cool. Still doesn't really mount.

1:12:19 Though no, no, he's still actively on their suspect list.

1:12:22 Yes, oh God, so he's, we are definitely following up and

1:12:26 doing more on him, 'cause that is just touching the surface.

1:12:28 Oh, it's barely even touching the surface.

1:12:31 I know, but I'm the same as you. I hadn't heard of him, but.

1:12:33 Never heard of him, no, but I do know.

1:12:36 And all of Adelaide being like a centre for some freaking well

1:12:40 shit. So yeah, we'll get in there.

1:12:44 We'll get there. We'll get there.

1:12:46 All right. Next suspect?

1:12:47 All right, who do you want to go to next?

1:12:49 Do we want to do so? Arthur Stanley Brown?

1:12:52 Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:53 So he was convicted of murdering 2 two sisters in Townsville.

1:12:58 I believe he was also a sexual perpetrator, but they ended up

1:13:02 ruling him out because at the time of the Beaumont abduction

1:13:05 he would have been 53 years of age and it was just too old.

1:13:09 He was too old. That's right, he was the other

1:13:11 end of the spectrum. Yeah, he and it was just not.

1:13:14 There were certain other things that they also used to rule it,

1:13:16 but I think his age was a really big one because he looked every

1:13:20 bit of his 53 years and potentially beyond.

1:13:22 But other than that, he did bear quite a resemblance to the

1:13:25 picture. And he was also in the area at

1:13:28 the time. He was known to be in South

1:13:30 Australia at that time. Whether it was in Glenelg or

1:13:32 not, I don't know. Yeah.

1:13:33 But so he there were there was enough there to legitimately and

1:13:37 quite, you know, to have him on the suspect.

1:13:40 List. Yeah, yeah.

1:13:41 We've got James Ryan O'Neal. Yep, he murdered a nine year old

1:13:45 boy in Tasmania. He told acquaintances that he

1:13:51 was involved with the Beaumont children's disappearance.

1:13:54 This gets me these guys that just claim all these different

1:13:56 cases. So how many?

1:13:57 Of them have. Yeah, there's the.

1:13:59 Police. The police discounted him, but

1:14:01 why do you? Know, Oh my gosh, I'd have to

1:14:03 have a little look because I oh, that's right, because they

1:14:05 couldn't actually prove he was even in Adelaide.

1:14:07 So he'd actually, he's actually never been to Adelaide.

1:14:11 So he's only been to like his work brought him to like Cooper,

1:14:13 Pedie and SA in that sense, but not as far down as to get into

1:14:18 Glenelg, right. So they could not place him.

1:14:20 There at OK. No.

1:14:23 So he was, yeah, he was. He was the one who claimed to

1:14:25 have done it, but when they looked into it they were like

1:14:27 Nah, he's never even been in Glenelg.

1:14:29 OK. Yeah, I wasn't sure.

1:14:30 I actually couldn't find that. Yeah, that's good.

1:14:32 The next suspect I've got on my list is Derek Ernest Percy.

1:14:36 He was a child murderer, Yes. Convicted.

1:14:41 His psychiatrist was interviewed as well during the course of

1:14:46 this and basically said that even if even if Percy had have

1:14:49 done it, he probably wouldn't remember it due to his

1:14:52 psychosis. That's right.

1:14:53 So he's actually still. 'Cause he was never I don't

1:14:56 think he's actually convicted or he's convicted.

1:14:58 No, he is he the one that due to his he didn't he didn't get put

1:15:02 to trial for certain cases though, because because of that

1:15:05 Alzheimer's and dementia that he was diagnosed with in the end,

1:15:08 yeah, they ended up not trying him for a certain case or a

1:15:11 couple of cases. I.

1:15:12 Think you're right. I think he was also the police

1:15:16 thought he was probably too young at the time of the I think

1:15:18 he would. Have been only like 17 or 17 or

1:15:20 something, which was, yeah, again, I think you could tell

1:15:22 the difference between like a guy between their 20s, thirties

1:15:25 and then teenagers. Yeah.

1:15:27 Yeah, it brings him that a little bit too young, yeah.

1:15:31 We then have Ellen Anthony Munroe.

1:15:32 Do you remember how all these bloody bastards have middle

1:15:35 names that are notable? Yes, yes.

1:15:37 OK, so we've got Ellen Anthony Munroe.

1:15:40 He was a former Scout master and he had been charged with ten

1:15:44 child sex offences, the first of which occurred in 1962.

1:15:49 So he wasn't convicted until after the Beaumont children

1:15:52 disappeared, but he was certainly perpetrating sex

1:15:55 offences against children from, you know, a few years before.

1:16:00 He wrote in his own diary on the day of the disappearance of the

1:16:06 Beaumont children that he was actually on Glen Hag at Glen Hag

1:16:08 beach that day. Yeah.

1:16:10 And obviously the police have found that diary and put him.

1:16:13 So he's at the site now. If all of these things come to

1:16:18 be true, there were a number of sex offenders just on Glenelg

1:16:22 Beach. Just on Glenelg beach which just

1:16:25 randomly shit. That's creepy as when you sort

1:16:28 of do that. And there's a.

1:16:29 How many public things have you been at with your kids that you

1:16:33 don't know? How many of these people are

1:16:35 flirting around? Oh, it makes you sick?

1:16:38 You can't think about it because you literally never leave the.

1:16:40 House. No.

1:16:41 No. Oh God, I'm just telling her

1:16:44 right now my sister-in-law cannot listen to this episode

1:16:46 because she's already paranoid about my niece being kid.

1:16:51 All right, you might need to give her the heads up on this

1:16:53 one. Do this episode, Catherine.

1:16:57 Or or tune out an hour ago now. This brings us to my front

1:17:04 runner. Yes, yeah, yeah, I think he's

1:17:07 Harry. Easy.

1:17:08 Yeah, I think Harry Phipps. Harry Phipps Now what a

1:17:12 character he is, what an. Absolute character.

1:17:14 He is known as the Satin man. He has a sexual response to

1:17:21 satin fabric. I think I just vomited my mouth,

1:17:26 yuck. Yup.

1:17:30 Sorry would wear satin and people like would see him

1:17:35 escalate. That's a good way to put it.

1:17:39 Like people knew this about him. Yeah, like a disgusting human

1:17:44 being. Gross.

1:17:46 He was a really wealthy man. He owned several businesses in

1:17:51 and around Glenelg. His son Hayden, on the day of

1:17:59 the disappearance of the Beaumont children, saw three

1:18:03 kids walk into the house with his dad.

1:18:06 He then so sees three kids going to the house.

1:18:10 He was a teenager at the time. He was outside smoking and you

1:18:13 know, doing his own thing. A little while later Now does

1:18:18 did he hear the four bangs? Yes.

1:18:21 Yep, 4 bangs heard at some. Point.

1:18:24 During the afternoon, yeah, which which were gun he thought

1:18:28 were gunshots. Yeah.

1:18:29 Four large bags were taken out of the house by Harry.

1:18:33 They. Were like and put him to the

1:18:36 surfboard. Bags.

1:18:37 Yeah, like nylon? Yeah, like polyester type.

1:18:41 Yeah, tough bags. Yep.

1:18:43 With loading. Heavy in them.

1:18:45 Yep, loaded into the boot of his car.

1:18:47 When Hayden went inside shortly thereafter, the kids were

1:18:51 nowhere to be seen and he hadn't seen them exiting them again.

1:18:54 No. On the day on the 26th of of

1:19:00 January 1966, Harry hired two brothers.

1:19:04 Two young brothers paid them a 1 LB note each to dig a hole at

1:19:10 the site of his business. The hole was to be two meters by

1:19:15 1m by 2m deep. What size is that?

1:19:20 Do you think? What would fit?

1:19:22 What would fit in a hole of that size?

1:19:27 When some publicity came out about the Beaumont children, so

1:19:31 they the boys who dug the hole, I think they were 16.

1:19:34 The brothers were 16 and 17 at the time.

1:19:36 They don't this money went on their merry way, thought nothing

1:19:39 else of it. They were then watching a there

1:19:42 was a 7 news did an investigation.

1:19:45 I think this was in the 90s and it was on TV and it prompted one

1:19:49 of the brothers to go, Oh my God.

1:19:51 I think that was the day that we worked for Harry and, and

1:19:54 certain things just really started falling into place for

1:19:57 him. And he contacted the police and

1:20:01 they decided to do a search of Harry's.

1:20:07 What was it? It was like a building.

1:20:09 It was a factory, yeah, but what did they?

1:20:11 Do there do you know? Oh God.

1:20:12 I can't remember now off the top of my head.

1:20:14 I think it had something to do with like concrete or something.

1:20:20 No, I've lost I've. No, it might.

1:20:22 It might come. Is it in my notes?

1:20:24 But anyway, they've they've used Graham penetrating radar to have

1:20:27 a look because the site looked very, very different to the when

1:20:30 the boys were there digging the hole.

1:20:32 Many like. Whatever they were like,

1:20:34 whatever they made at this factory, they had these sand

1:20:37 pits, yes, but they maybe. He was like.

1:20:39 Smelting, smelting. That sounds really, really yes.

1:20:42 And but these sand pits would kind of like it would get filled

1:20:45 and so therefore they'd move and do another spot and then they'd

1:20:48 do another spot. So it wasn't because that was

1:20:51 thing where like they were trying to pinpoint they over the

1:20:53 phone where this spot was that they need to dig.

1:20:57 And it was assumed that the where they needed to dig.

1:20:59 And later, the boys have thought what they're now men.

1:21:02 They said that the spot was not. That's not the spot.

1:21:05 The sandpit wasn't there when we dug.

1:21:06 It's been moved. Yep.

1:21:08 So yeah, it was something to do with sand pits that they would

1:21:11 fill. Yeah.

1:21:12 Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, when they used

1:21:16 the ground penetrating radar and did some digs of the site,

1:21:19 nothing was ever. Found.

1:21:20 Nothing's been found. There's been a dig in 2018 that

1:21:23 was pretty extensive, not huge, but that's where they said that

1:21:26 they reckon they dug in the wrong spot.

1:21:28 But yeah, nothing has been found at the factory.

1:21:31 But it's not to say that he didn't move them at some point

1:21:34 either or. Just put it out there like.

1:21:35 Absolutely. I wouldn't be shocked.

1:21:37 I mean, it was such a huge, well publicized case, particularly

1:21:40 for that time too. Yeah, that I wouldn't be

1:21:42 surprised if he had paid someone else a 1 LB note to go and dig

1:21:45 that up and move it somewhere else.

1:21:47 Absolutely. So yeah, that's that'd be that's

1:21:50 interesting. Yeah, so he, so Harry

1:21:53 perpetrated sexual crimes against his own child as well

1:21:56 against his son Hayden. Yeah, which is very much

1:21:58 believed in corroborate. Like I said, it's not

1:22:00 corroborated, but like he's, he's very convincing that this

1:22:02 is absolute truth that that's who he.

1:22:04 And he confessed to certain people throughout his life who

1:22:07 were able to back that up as well at it's not like, you know,

1:22:10 this came out at a time that was just going to put his dad in the

1:22:12 shit or anything like that. This was well and truly known

1:22:15 that that had happened. Yeah.

1:22:17 So the. Sorry, no, you're correct.

1:22:19 The police went and conducted a search of the house.

1:22:22 So Harry, I believe, had passed away at this point.

1:22:26 He passed away in 2004. Yeah.

1:22:28 The book The Satin Man was released in 2013.

1:22:31 OK. So yeah, we're sort of looking

1:22:32 like quite a long time through it all happened and.

1:22:35 And the fact that he's well and truly dead by the time they're

1:22:37 looking into him. Yeah, so.

1:22:39 They went, the police went and searched his home because they'd

1:22:43 had, you know, all of this evidence that sort of, you know,

1:22:45 spoke to needing to investigate him again and investigate

1:22:49 further. Yeah, and his second wife still

1:22:52 lived in that house. Mm hmm.

1:22:54 The house that the well that Hayden saw these three children

1:22:57 go into and no children come out of.

1:22:59 Yeah, 4 bags and all that stuff. When the detective walked into

1:23:04 the house, he noted that there was a white.

1:23:06 Person, the detective was the author of the book.

1:23:09 Oh, was. It yes, sorry, yes, no, sorry,

1:23:11 sorry. So the author of the book had

1:23:12 gone to visit his second wife and have and have a chat with

1:23:15 her about the situation. And he was looking around and he

1:23:18 went down, I think it was in the basement or something and he

1:23:21 spotted this and it was actually beige.

1:23:23 It was never white. It was a so he knew that, but in

1:23:27 the public they had spoken about this white purse, but he knew it

1:23:30 was actually beige. And so he spotted it on the

1:23:34 shelf and he asked her about it, to which she said, oh, I just

1:23:38 bought that at the op shop yesterday.

1:23:39 Like, well, then how come it's down here like buried in like,

1:23:42 you know, what would you something you bought yesterday

1:23:44 is just down here like you know. It'd be on the kitchen.

1:23:46 Anyway, yeah, and he and so she sort of snatched it off him and

1:23:52 he then went away knowing what he had seen.

1:23:54 He knew that it was the make of it.

1:23:56 It was the age of it, everything was it was Jane's purse that she

1:24:01 had on the day that it very much resembled that.

1:24:04 Obviously can't prove that, but that's what he he very clearly.

1:24:08 Is very that I know he noted he's like, well, you've got

1:24:11 millions and millions and millions of dollars.

1:24:15 Mm hmm why are you going to the op shop and in a cheap old

1:24:18 shitty? Purse Yeah.

1:24:20 So he then contacted the police and was like, sorry, you need to

1:24:24 go in there and like, you know, look OK then the police have

1:24:27 arrived, OK to do a search and lo and behold, Purse is gone.

1:24:31 Purse is gone. She got rid of it.

1:24:34 Where did she put it? Oh, I don't know.

1:24:36 Don't know where it is. Oh, I don't know where it is.

1:24:37 I don't know what you're talking about.

1:24:39 No, no, she got. Yeah, threw it out.

1:24:43 Yeah. So apparently Hayden, who has

1:24:47 been interviewed extensively, like not in public, but the

1:24:51 author of the book has spoken to him very much and also have

1:24:54 place. But from all accounts, like the

1:24:58 second wife particularly knew who Harry Phipps was and

1:25:03 potentially would have protected him.

1:25:04 Yeah. I don't know what she had to

1:25:07 gain from protecting him. He was well and truly deceased

1:25:09 by this time. It sounds like he wasn't a very

1:25:12 nice husband. He certainly wasn't an obviously

1:25:15 wasn't a nice father. He wasn't a good human being.

1:25:18 What was she protecting? Who knows?

1:25:21 Who knows? People work in very mysterious

1:25:23 ways. They.

1:25:24 Look, the impacts of, of the Beaumont children's

1:25:27 disappearance, you know, it had a significant impact on Jim and

1:25:31 Nancy's marriage in the early 1970s.

1:25:34 They divorced. Their marriage just couldn't

1:25:37 survive the, the trauma and everything that they'd been

1:25:41 through. I, my heart breaks for them.

1:25:44 They remained in contact though, because obviously they had this

1:25:47 shared trauma and although they lived apart, I believe they

1:25:51 remained in contact for, you know, for, for the rest of their

1:25:55 lives. Yeah, and unfortunately 2018

1:26:00 Nancy passed away in the September.

1:26:03 She was aged 92. And then in April of just 2023,

1:26:08 Grant passed away at the age of 97.

1:26:10 And so they've both passed away never knowing what's happened to

1:26:14 their children. No, all I can think is that

1:26:17 they're wherever they are, they're back with their kids now

1:26:19 because that's the only thing I the only positive that I can

1:26:22 think of that. I thought I'd leave it on a note

1:26:24 of describing what the kids were like and what what people had

1:26:28 described them as. And it sounds like, you know,

1:26:30 the world lost three really amazing people that day.

1:26:34 Or we don't know when, But at some point, Jane was described

1:26:39 as academic. She wanted to be a teacher when

1:26:41 she grew up. Oh, silly.

1:26:43 Girl. She was really bright.

1:26:46 She was mature. Her dad described her as more

1:26:49 like a 15 year old than a nine year old.

1:26:51 And you can tell by the the responsibility she was given

1:26:54 that she relished in that. Yeah, she was maternal and she

1:26:59 loved writing letters to people which they've kept, you know,

1:27:02 they were able to keep a lot of the letters that Jane had

1:27:04 written them. And I know that brought her mum

1:27:06 and dad a lot of comfort over the years.

1:27:08 Yeah, Anna was 7 and she was a real extrovert, outgoing, I

1:27:13 think typical middle child. She was really affectionate and

1:27:18 loved her brother and sister and her mum and dad so very much.

1:27:22 And she was a wonderful performer.

1:27:24 She loved putting on plays and dancing and really, you can

1:27:28 imagine the the bright and vibrant spirit that she was.

1:27:32 And then there was Grant. He was four years old, so he

1:27:34 hadn't had a lot of time on this earth, but he certainly was

1:27:37 developing his own little personality.

1:27:39 He wanted to be just like his dad.

1:27:41 And he had a little red car that he'd drive around the back of

1:27:44 the back of their house with because, you know, his dad used

1:27:47 to be a taxi driver. Yeah, apparently he was a little

1:27:50 gentleman and just really loving and kind and he was a really

1:27:55 sweet and friendly young boy. So, you know, the the world has

1:27:59 has missed out on having these three people.

1:28:02 I know it's really easy when people die or go missing to sort

1:28:07 of cast these, you know, positive lights on them and not

1:28:11 really looking at at any other aspects.

1:28:12 But these were three innocent, beautiful children.

1:28:16 They had the world as their oyster.

1:28:17 Really. Like, you know, their, their

1:28:19 potential was endless. Yeah.

1:28:22 Heartbreaking. So heartbreaking.

1:28:24 Can't even imagine being Jim and Nancy at that, you know, dealing

1:28:27 with that at all. No.

1:28:28 Hopefully we never, ever will have to no and stay tuned.

1:28:33 I mean, you know, this remains a cold case.

1:28:37 It's, you know, reviewed. However, often cold cases are

1:28:41 reviewed obviously if new information comes to light.

1:28:44 Technologies get better and, you know, things like that and

1:28:46 people's people's memories on these sorts of things, they're

1:28:49 usually pretty accurate still, you know, like, even though we

1:28:52 we lose a few more every now and then, you know, linked to this

1:28:55 case, but who knows? Something might come up.

1:28:57 Yeah, yeah. And we might get AI mean we've

1:29:00 never thought we'd find a solution to the easy street

1:29:02 murders, but it looks like we're getting closer to that one, you

1:29:05 know, so it's it's yeah. Interesting if we can get an

1:29:08 answer. Yeah, I just also wanted to make

1:29:10 a note about ambiguous loss because I think that's really

1:29:14 relevant in this case. Ambiguous loss is when you don't

1:29:19 actually know what's happened to the person.

1:29:20 So this is the case for families of missing people all around the

1:29:24 world. And it's the not knowing that is

1:29:27 so difficult. There's no, I'm not saying that

1:29:30 had they known that the kids had been murdered or again, we don't

1:29:35 know. It's the not knowing that is

1:29:37 just that. Already away the thought of

1:29:41 that. You know you're going on.

1:29:42 You know you've got to carry on somehow and to not know whether

1:29:47 that your children are still alive or dead and what's

1:29:50 happening to them, if they're still alive or what did happen

1:29:52 to them if they're dead. That stuff would really, really

1:29:55 eat you up and really not. Oh, that's awful.

1:29:59 And they, you know, Nancy and Jim died, both died not knowing

1:30:02 what happened to their children. I couldn't even.

1:30:05 Horrible. Yeah, horrible, horrible.

1:30:09 I think we'll end on that note. For sure.

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