Bonus Episode: Q & A

0:16 Happy New Year to crime besties. Yes, Happy New Year.

0:20 I can't believe it. 2025 here we are.

0:22 Fuck. That's scary, isn't?

0:24 It we thought we would just drop into your feed and release a

0:28 little bonus Q&A episode today. So we didn't want to leave you

0:32 hanging for the whole three-week break that we had planned.

0:35 No, we did have to. Have a break from having

0:37 cocktails? Oh, I guess.

0:39 Oh, just. Just for a quick moment or two.

0:41 Otherwise known as hanging out with their kids.

0:45 And getting through the day with a cocktail or two.

0:49 I wonder if wine consumption goes up.

0:51 Oh, I'm. It would have to, Yeah.

0:54 I mean all the celebrations as well.

0:56 Some. Some you've got to, you know,

0:58 have a beverage. Yeah, yeah, sure.

1:00 Yeah. Coffee can only do so.

1:02 Much. Yeah.

1:03 That's it. That's it.

1:04 Yeah. So we thought we'd release a bit

1:07 of AQ and a episode because we have had some really lovely

1:10 feedback about the banter that we sort of have before our

1:12 episodes. Yeah.

1:14 And also like maybe to get to know us a little bit better as,

1:17 as people and not just, you know, delving into the world of

1:20 true crime and all of that. Just all the stuff.

1:23 I mean, we're we love it, yeah, which is why we host a true

1:27 crime podcast. But you know, there's a lot more

1:30 to us as well. So we put out, so last year we

1:33 put out on our socials a bit of an Ask Me Anything box and we've

1:36 had a few responses through there.

1:38 I've also had a few people face to face ask me questions and

1:42 want to know things. And I'm like, well, if you want

1:45 to know it, then I'm sure other people want to know it as well.

1:47 So I have got all of the questions in front of me.

1:51 You haven't seen them yet? No, I, I'm coming to this

1:55 completely cold. Yeah, I have no idea what's

1:57 going on. To be fair, I haven't.

1:59 Drafted like pretty much every other episode yet that.

2:01 Is not true at all. That is not true at all.

2:05 We tend to be able to, like, figure out between us.

2:08 Somebody always knows a little bit more about what's going on.

2:11 Yeah, we'd hope sometimes. Depends.

2:16 All right. Should we get straight into it?

2:18 Sure should. Although I have to say sometimes

2:22 we'll answer honestly today. Absolutely.

2:24 Because I love when we leave the school grounds or quite often

2:27 someone will say to us on a Friday, oh, what are you guys

2:29 doing today? Because I know it's our day off,

2:30 whatever. And we go just on our way to the

2:32 studio with the actual answer to that question.

2:35 Probably should be Emma's front room.

2:37 Yeah, So I've got like a little. I don't know the home theatre

2:41 type of room and every Friday morning I get the trestle table

2:46 from behind the couch. Open that up, set up the banners

2:52 that are behind us if you're watching us, and then we plug

2:55 everything in and then we record our episode and then we pack

2:59 everything down so that this room is usable once again in the

3:02 afternoon, the dream would be to have a studio set up.

3:07 Wouldn't it? God, that would be amazing.

3:09 One day, one day, 'cause then we can have like we've, we've

3:12 talked about the aesthetics of that and how that should look.

3:15 And I, I love we're both on the same page.

3:17 They will have some, like, really comfy couches and some

3:19 really, like, gorgeous, calming, you know, plants and stuff.

3:23 Yeah. Just nice.

3:25 Yeah. Yeah.

3:26 To, you know, contradict the murder and mayhem that we're

3:29 discussing on the day. The dream, yeah.

3:32 But you know like this will do for now for sure.

3:34 Yeah, it works. It totally works.

3:36 Yeah, we have moved through a few different stages of what our

3:38 setup is, but that's what we are now.

3:40 Yeah, I feel like when we first started, we were doing it at my

3:44 kitchen bench, but. Or in separate places or in.

3:46 Or in different places, yeah. But now the way that we've got

3:49 it set up, we really kind of have to be together ideally,

3:52 yeah, to get the best sound quality.

3:55 Yes, yeah. So yeah, we're always coming

3:58 together on usually on a Friday, yeah.

4:00 To to record, Yeah, neither have kids all work that day, provided

4:05 the kids are well in at school that that happens.

4:08 Yeah. Yeah.

4:09 All right. Do you want to maybe give us

4:11 first of all, like a little bit of background about you, like

4:14 who you are, what you do? I'm sure we've mentioned over

4:17 our episodes a little bit like that, but you're gonna start

4:20 with that, OK. Yep.

4:21 All right. Cool.

4:23 So me first. Yeah, Yeah.

4:24 All right. OK, so.

4:27 Oh God, I don't know who I am. I'm still working that out.

4:30 I'm 43 years old, yeah, and I'm still working out who I am

4:35 because I have had life changes. I was divorced 2 1/2 years ago,

4:42 roughly. Yeah.

4:43 So I'm working out who I am. I've been a teacher of primary

4:48 and early childhood. I work in the sector out of the

4:53 classroom these days, but yeah, I'm still working out who I am

4:58 and what my life goal is. I think it's yeah, changing as

5:02 we speak. Yeah, yeah, I've got 2 beautiful

5:04 boys. Yeah, I have two incredibly

5:06 awesome, good kids. They are the best.

5:09 I love them dearly. The 7:00 and 9:00 about to go

5:12 into grade 2 and grade four this year, which I'm sorry, that's

5:18 not allowed. I mean, as a teacher, I've, I've

5:22 really taught the lower level levels, you know, like prep was

5:25 my absolute love and then an early childhood teaching like 4

5:29 year old kinder kids. So I I was hoping that I'd keep

5:33 that age child for the rest of my life.

5:34 Yeah, because you know how to deal with that.

5:36 Age well, it's Even so much like how to deal with that?

5:38 It's what I love, like, I love like the like there's a quote of

5:42 the four year old child asks 468 questions a day.

5:46 And for most people that's their worst nightmare and it and it

5:49 can be on its day. But I absolutely adore that

5:52 innocence and that, you know, curiosity.

5:54 And I just don't want them to grow up and become, I don't

5:57 know, not so curious. Yeah.

5:59 And yeah. And jaded.

6:01 Yeah. Yeah, so and angsty.

6:04 Yeah, I mean, look, coming up to a 10 year old, I'm enjoying them

6:07 as they grow up, like absolutely.

6:08 And I'm loving like seeing that maturity and everything in them.

6:11 But at the same time, I'd kill just have.

6:13 I was doing my elders yesterday actually about that.

6:15 We haven't done much Christmas craft and he's like, yeah, why

6:18 haven't we done that? And yeah, because life's got

6:20 busy. We just don't do those things

6:22 now because they're older. They've got other things and

6:24 they don't they don't want to sit with their mom and do

6:25 crafting anymore. I was like, kill to still do

6:29 that with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:33 I think that's. That's you in a nutshell.

6:35 I think so. Well, I'm married to Peter,

6:40 producer Pete and we also have two boys.

6:44 My eldest is 10 and my youngest is 8 by the time this comes out.

6:52 So his birthday is very, very early January.

6:56 Yeah, I'm a medical scientist by trade, but I actually manage a

7:01 division at work. So I work for one of the big

7:04 pathology private pathology companies and, and I manage sort

7:08 of like a, a subdivision of, of that, of that company now, which

7:13 I, you know, I absolutely adore the people I work with.

7:16 I think I've been there for a really long time and it is the

7:19 people I work with that make the job.

7:21 I just, I thrive in that sort of that environment where you're

7:26 working with a team and there's lots of different people and

7:30 it's just fun. Like I, I really enjoy going

7:33 into the office. Like I know a lot of people like

7:35 working from home if they can, but I love going in.

7:39 I would much prefer to go into the office.

7:41 I don't really work from home very often.

7:45 And yeah, just, yeah, I guess hobbies and that kind of thing.

7:51 Podcasting and going to the gym that they're my two things that

7:57 I do just for me yeah yeah. And I think you're right.

8:00 Like I think I'm, I'm about to turn 40 this year and I think

8:05 that it's a, I don't, I feel the same.

8:08 I don't really know who I am as a almost 40 year old woman.

8:11 Because we've had, we've had kids like.

8:12 Yeah, like things change and you've got to figure out, like,

8:15 each life stage where you fit and what you want.

8:18 And yeah, I think that's actually a really exciting place

8:20 to be. Yeah, No, I I'd say that not as

8:22 a negative thing. I think that I don't know who I

8:24 am. Yeah, that's great.

8:26 It's. Nice to discover these things.

8:27 And excited to see what that thing is now because, yeah, it's

8:30 starting to sort of like the podcasting thing.

8:31 I'm absolutely loving this and I'm really hoping that, yeah, is

8:34 that going to take me down a path, you know, or, or is there

8:37 something else that will distract me 'cause I may have

8:40 some ADHD tendencies sometimes? No, you don't say.

8:46 All right. Should we get into like the the

8:47 official question? Yeah, that's.

8:49 Good. I'm gonna start with a really

8:51 easy one. OK, OK.

8:52 What's your favorite colour? Oh, you'll notice from every

8:55 time we record, probably, I reckon most people that watch

8:58 this, we'll probably scream at them, say what colour is.

9:01 It's green, green, green. I'm very particular about my

9:04 shades of green. Yeah, I'm not any any green, but

9:08 I do love green. And green does look good on you.

9:10 Like in terms of like wearing it, it's your colour.

9:12 Yeah. And I definitely, when I think

9:15 of you, I think green or blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:18 But yeah, green. I've always, yeah, I love the

9:20 colour green, yeah. I'm pink and yellow, yeah, and I

9:24 do like a really bright neon orange as well.

9:27 You like you're very bright. I like bright.

9:29 I'm wearing black today, but I do like bright colours.

9:32 Yeah, yeah. But see, normally I'd see you in

9:34 that black though with a pop of colour.

9:36 Usually, yeah, yeah, I would go like a necklace or something.

9:40 But yeah, I'm not today, of course, when we're actually

9:44 talking about it. All right, a slightly deeper

9:46 question next. OK, what was one of the happier

9:50 moments of your life? Oh, I mean my kids being born

9:55 like just the cliche, I guess. But it is, it's I was only

9:59 talking about this with a friend recently about having kids and

10:01 how that that feels to love. Like she hasn't got kids of her

10:04 own. And she was like, but I love the

10:05 kids that I work with and I'm like, it's different.

10:08 Yeah, it's yeah, that's that's yeah, ultimate.

10:12 It's something I wanted all my life I think too.

10:14 Yeah. When you, yeah, when you were a

10:16 kid, did you always want to be a mum?

10:18 No. OK.

10:19 No, I wouldn't say that. Yeah.

10:20 But once I was older, it was kind of like, yeah, that's what

10:24 I want in my life. It wasn't something I was, I

10:26 mean, as a kid I had like, Cabbage Patch dolls, all that

10:30 sort of stuff, you know? But I was a bit tomboyish.

10:32 Like all my dolls were all boys. But I think it came from like I

10:36 was the only girl in amongst many, many boys.

10:39 So yeah, I wasn't like that typical, I guess, you know,

10:43 like, yeah, I want to be a mum. That's the only thing I want to

10:45 do. I wanted to be a mum, but also a

10:47 career thing. It was like a, you know, that

10:49 that's part of me. It was always just part of what

10:51 I wanted to do. Yeah, not everything I wanted

10:53 to. Do.

10:54 Yeah. I think I always wanted to be a

10:55 mum. Like even I remember from a

10:57 really little girl, just. I just knew that I would.

11:01 I wanted to be a mum right from. Yeah, a really early age.

11:06 I'm the same as you. I grew up surrounded by boys.

11:08 So in my immediate family I've got a brother.

11:11 Yeah. But then all of my cousins on

11:14 both sides of my family are all boys.

11:16 Yeah, until I was 17, I think I was.

11:21 And my beautiful first ever female cousin Layla was born.

11:25 Yeah. So I had to wait a very, very

11:27 long time for her. But oh, my God, I love her so

11:30 much. Yeah.

11:31 And we're really good friends now.

11:32 She's in her 20s and I just love her.

11:35 I I love her to pieces. I love my male cousins, too.

11:38 They're great. Yeah, but it's different.

11:41 It's different. I just I I would literally do

11:43 anything for. You and I have spoken about this

11:45 because neither of us have got sisters.

11:47 Yeah, and I've always, I'm intrigued by a.

11:49 Sister. Relationship, yeah, and I mean,

11:51 I've got beautiful sister in laws.

11:53 Yeah, and I don't we don't use the in law.

11:54 We always talk about that was like, you know, we're just we're

11:56 just sisters. But it's different again to

11:58 growing up with someone and having that relationship.

12:01 But I often like I hear from people who've got sisters that's

12:04 either one way or the other of like, you know, that amazing

12:07 relationship or nut shit. And but yeah, I've always been

12:11 jealous of that, to have that sister friendship relationship,

12:15 you know that. Yeah.

12:16 Do your brothers have the friendship?

12:17 That's like, like, more so than no, because you're like really

12:23 close, like close with your family.

12:26 So it's not like there's like, you know?

12:28 My brothers, my two, my brothers get along really well, but I get

12:31 along really well. We have we have individual

12:33 relationships. The fact that you're a girl

12:35 hasn't meant that you've been left out of any of that.

12:37 Yeah, I I think my brother and I are pretty close as well.

12:41 Yeah, I was a mate. What what was it called?

12:45 A groom. Groom's maid or something when

12:47 he got married. So I was in his bridal party.

12:50 I love that which was. Gorgeous.

12:51 I loved that that was a a highlight and I felt so

12:55 privileged to be a part of that. Yeah, he was part of Peter's

12:59 wedding party when we got married, so.

13:02 But yeah, yeah, I love that. Nice.

13:05 And I guess in terms of my happiest moments, yeah, it's all

13:08 related to family. Like definitely the kids being

13:12 born, of course, that goes without saying.

13:14 Absolutely. But then, you know, those big

13:17 milestone events in life as well, like getting married and

13:23 buying a house and all of those kind of things like it.

13:25 Just, yeah, getting to where we are today in those big milestone

13:29 moments. Yeah, when I reflect on it, I

13:31 think, oh, you know, we've actually done really well for

13:33 us. Yeah, you've got beautiful

13:36 family. Yeah, yeah.

13:39 What is your favorite late night snack?

13:43 I'm a savory like a chip is my go to has been.

13:47 Honey Sweet chicken chips. Yeah, they've got Meg's name

13:50 written all over them. Red Rock Deli.

13:52 Obviously Red Rock. Deli Yeah.

13:54 Honey Soy chicken. Yeah, is.

13:56 I know. Anytime we're having like a

13:57 movie night or something at my place, that's what I get.

14:00 I like them too. Don't get me.

14:01 Wrong. They're fucking expensive so I

14:03 don't buy them. Very often at all.

14:05 Like if they go on special, they're in the car.

14:07 Don't get me. But yeah, it's if they're not on

14:11 special, no way like. Treatment is definitely applied

14:14 to them too, I feel like. Like they've got smaller, more

14:17 expensive, yeah. Party pack thing like that,

14:20 that'll last me a good few weeks.

14:22 If that goes on special at a reasonable price, it's all good.

14:25 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, my, well, if I'm

14:30 like watching a movie or something, I like a pod.

14:34 You know those pods? I've known them in years.

14:36 They used to do and they don't make them anymore.

14:38 The Dove. Oh yeah, they definitely.

14:40 I've never had those. They would.

14:42 I like the Snickers and the the Twix version of those.

14:46 Yeah, I'm not a massive chip person, but I don't mind a

14:51 chicken crimpy chicken. No, sorry.

14:53 A chicken crinkle cut chip. Yep.

14:56 Like a sample. Got to have the crinkle cut.

14:57 Yeah, it is. It's about the texture.

14:59 Totally. And the crunch, yeah.

15:02 And like in terms of savory stuff, I mean, I do like a bit

15:05 of cheese, a bit of blue cheese with crinkle cut whole.

15:08 Thing Do you remember Ruffles? No.

15:11 Were they in a white and blue packet?

15:13 No. OK then.

15:14 No, no. I feel like you might have been

15:16 too young. There was only a small period of

15:18 time. No, but it was a small period of

15:20 time when? And then they disappeared.

15:22 Oh, OK. And you could still get them

15:24 from America. Oh, right, yeah.

15:26 But there was they were a crinkle cut.

15:28 But here's the ADHD shit, yeah? Here we go.

15:32 Here we go. The way they felt on your tongue

15:34 was better, like real texture thing, but they were really a

15:39 real fine crinkle. OK.

15:42 I can still feel it. And did they come?

15:45 Did they come in like all the good?

15:47 Flavours. Yeah, yeah, all the.

15:48 Good. Are you a salt and vinegar fan?

15:50 No, I freaking love salt and vinegar.

15:52 I love vinegar though. Yeah, I know.

15:54 I could drink vinegar straight from the bottle.

15:57 I love it. That's just wrong.

15:59 There's probably something wrong with me.

16:00 I don't know, but I love vinegar.

16:03 Like, Peter, I'll make a salad dressing, you know, from

16:06 scratch. Yeah.

16:07 And I put so much vinegar in it. And Peter's like, oh, I need

16:12 more oil, more other flavour. You.

16:14 Know the flavour. No, no, no balsamic vinegar or

16:17 something or you know, like Yum I love it, but not white vinegar

16:20 or something. It's I can do it in small doses.

16:23 Yeah, no. Love me a snack.

16:25 Can't do something a chip No it like fully makes my face go

16:28 funny it's. Part of its charm.

16:30 Oh, it's it. Oh, yeah.

16:32 Oh no, it makes you. Yeah, yeah.

16:36 If you could stay any age for the rest of your life, or 26,

16:39 why 26? I don't even know.

16:41 I don't even know you, just I always if someone says to me how

16:43 old are you, it's my brain just immediately goes 26.

16:46 OK, I get that sentiment because I you know, when you think about

16:50 yourself. Yeah.

16:52 And you think so. For a long time I felt like I

16:55 was 18. Yep.

16:57 And even when I was like 26 or 28 or something, I felt like I

17:02 was 18 still. And then you see an 18 year old

17:04 and you're like, Oh no, I actually have matured.

17:06 Cool, cool, cool. For me, I don't know if I have

17:09 for me, for me, I think 27 is my age.

17:12 Yeah, right. But if I look back on me at 27,

17:17 which is I got married that year, like lots of great things

17:21 happened, but I'm thinking, and I'm not there yet, but I'm

17:26 thinking 40 will be my age that I would want to be forever

17:29 because I have become, I've changed.

17:31 Yeah. I've become a lot more mellow.

17:33 You probably don't see that, but I was a very intense younger

17:37 person or just very like, I don't know, I've always been

17:41 that sort of Type A maybe bordering on anxious, you know,

17:45 that sort of personality. I feel like I have mellowed a

17:49 lot in the last in the last few I have.

17:53 No, I no, I can totally say that.

17:55 Yeah, I've mellowed in the last few years and I like the way

17:58 that feels. Yeah, I also feel like I've I'm

18:01 making different choices in the way I deal with things.

18:04 Like I'm choosing to be more calm about things.

18:07 I'm choosing to be kind and not just be reactive.

18:10 You don't have to choose to be kind.

18:11 You don't know how to be any other way.

18:13 I don't know about that. I'm a big.

18:15 Tweet You know, behind closed doors when we chat.

18:19 But you are an incredibly kind person, very generous.

18:22 That's not overly generous. I think sometimes you, it's like

18:25 you don't need to like kind of thing.

18:26 Like you've got to like look after yourself, you know, like

18:29 and say no to. Something I think that's what

18:30 I'm getting there. As I get older, yeah, I also

18:33 give way less shits about what people think.

18:36 Oh the the. Fuck.

18:37 JAR has deployed. There is nothing left.

18:39 Yeah, yeah. I think if we tried to start

18:42 this podcast even five years ago, I don't know that I would

18:44 have been able to do it because I concentrated.

18:46 But I would have been so worried about what people thought of me.

18:49 And now I just could not care less.

18:51 Yeah, no, I get that totally. Did you feel like that changed

18:54 for you like around that 40 mark?

18:56 Or there was so much going on for me around that 40 mark.

18:58 Yeah, that also made me go not paying attention to any of this

19:02 shit anymore. Like, so definitely.

19:04 But whether that was turning 40 and look, a lot of it I think is

19:07 about the maturity of yourself. But I think all of that

19:10 happening was at this at that age for a reason.

19:12 Yeah. Because I was kind of confused.

19:14 Is not who I am. And I don't want this anymore.

19:18 Yeah. And I think that all of that is

19:20 bumping up in that whole thing of like, you've become a certain

19:22 age where you're like, I'm not going to give a fuck anymore.

19:25 I need to be who I am. Yeah.

19:27 Not what someone else wants me to be or.

19:29 Yeah. Yeah.

19:30 That. That's not working.

19:31 Like, we've got to make changes. Yeah.

19:33 Yeah. Yeah, put on you.

19:35 Which now reflects. So proud of you for all of that.

19:37 6 was actually when I met someone, so yeah, interesting.

19:41 Interesting. Psychologically is there?

19:43 Something going on there. Hold on.

19:45 Do I need to go see my therapist?

19:47 You can wait. She's in the room with me now.

19:49 We'll. Delve into that later Mega over

19:53 a glass of wine. Next question.

19:59 Yeah, yeah. What's your go to board game?

20:03 Ah well, Monopoly has been lately with the kids, but it's

20:09 doing my head in and Monopoly takes.

20:12 So fucking long, especially with kids because they're just.

20:15 And the argument that ensues. Yeah.

20:19 So actually I have We've invested in a game of Cluedo.

20:22 Cool. Over Christmas?

20:24 Yep, I'm excited to see where that goes.

20:26 OK, it's a game where I used to love that playing it when I was

20:29 younger than I'm like, I'm hoping I can get the kids on

20:31 board. Yeah, I reckon they love it.

20:32 Yeah, I reckon they love it. But I do have like Tenzi is

20:35 actually a big one for my family that we that's my, that's my go

20:38 to. Like I want to play that.

20:40 Trying to get the kids sometimes is a bit harder.

20:42 Yeah, all of those games which you introduced me to, like

20:44 Slapsy Tenzi, Yeah, Buildsy on Buildsy.

20:47 I freaking love Buildsy. It's so much fun.

20:50 But so just when you were saying that, it reminded me of my

20:54 brother and I when we were growing up and we used to play

20:56 Uno. Yeah.

20:58 And he'd cheat. He was a cheater.

20:59 He's gonna, he's gonna be like, oh, I never played.

21:01 He cheated. It was always, you know, it

21:03 wasn't. I would never cheat.

21:04 I am not a cheater. Yeah, but he would, I don't

21:07 know, whatever. And we would end up like

21:09 punching each other. So yeah, yeah, we played

21:12 bullshit. If you ever played bullshit.

21:13 No. Oh, such a good guy.

21:15 I just had this flashback of it was we were like kids playing

21:17 that and camping and that. Yeah.

21:19 And it's a game where you literally have a stack of cards

21:21 and you, you say what you're putting, what you're putting

21:24 down. And you might say I'm putting

21:25 down to twos and you put them face down.

21:28 But you might like pile those cards nice and neatly and

21:30 actually put 4 cards down because the idea is to get rid

21:32 of all your cards 1st and then, then everyone around you've got

21:35 to like either go nut. I reckon you've put something

21:37 else down down like you know that calling it's bullshit and

21:40 then you turn them over to see if they're if if they've called

21:42 bullshit and they're right, you have to take your cards back or

21:45 if not, you didn't, you didn't bullshit.

21:47 You were spot on. You've put down what you said.

21:49 They've they take the pile of cards.

21:50 Love it. It's it's such a good game that

21:52 used to cause lots of fights I bet.

21:54 Yeah, I bet. Yeah.

21:56 These days, I really like these. Peter actually got me this.

21:59 It was a really good present for, I can't remember.

22:02 It was like birthday or Christmas, not that a few years

22:04 ago. And now we sort of tend to buy

22:06 them, but these are escape rooms in a, in the, in the form of a

22:10 board game. So they're single use because

22:12 generally you might have to cut things or whatever.

22:15 And you've got a, you've got an hour usually.

22:17 So love that there's a time limit on it.

22:19 Yeah. And you've got to figure out all

22:20 of the clues to get yourself out of the situation.

22:22 They are so much fun. And have a glass of wine and do

22:25 that with a friend or a partner. Great fun.

22:28 Really, really great fun. I want.

22:30 To do an escape room. Oh yeah, we should definitely do

22:32 an escape room the. Kids want to do one too, but I

22:34 don't know if I could handle that.

22:35 Oh. No, I don't know, but they do

22:36 have kid friendly ones. OK, maybe we could handle that

22:40 over the holidays and. Send them in and hope they don't

22:42 come, I hope. They get looked in for at least

22:45 long enough we. Could have another wine before

22:46 they come out free. Lunch or something?

22:48 That sounds nice. Yeah, what was the make and

22:51 model of your first car? I had a Ford Laser.

22:55 God, it's such a story with this car.

22:56 Oh my God. OK, greatest car ever because it

22:59 was the shittest car, because it's all I could afford.

23:02 I paid $600.00 for that car. Wow.

23:05 And we lived on a street that had quite a nice hill on it.

23:09 And so as I would drive down the hill, the seat wouldn't quite

23:12 click in properly. And as I would go down the hill,

23:15 I'd end up on the steering wheel and without fail, the other one

23:21 was the, the visor like that wouldn't stay up.

23:23 I had Velcro on it to keep it up, you know, but the Velcro

23:27 would come off and stuff because the, the glue wouldn't stick in

23:30 a hot hot and it would. But every time I'd go in it, the

23:33 visor would pull down in front of me as you're driving and he

23:35 couldn't see where you're going. It's like trying to put the

23:37 visor back up. I used to always there was a

23:40 shit stereo in it. And so I put in the freaking

23:44 stereo and it would have been worth more than the entire

23:46 fucking car. I had one of those plate things

23:48 that you'd pop off. And then you'd take that with

23:50 you. That way no one would just steal

23:52 it. But.

23:52 The thing is like, it was just the stereo bit the speakers were

23:55 shit at. So like people would get in my

23:58 car and I'd have the best music because I made all my own CDs,

24:01 you know, great. But then so I'd be like, oh,

24:04 awesome song, pump, pump it up, turn it up.

24:06 And I'd be like sweet, open up the glove box so that the

24:09 speaker was in there that it would be a bit louder.

24:13 Oh, that's. Greatest car ever.

24:14 But there's there's more to the story of that car.

24:16 Holy crap. So it got stolen.

24:19 And I wonder if I could put this on air.

24:21 Actually, yeah, because it got stolen and I reported it to the

24:28 police. No sign of the car.

24:30 Time goes on. Time goes on, time goes on.

24:33 My friend happened to work at a McDonald's at the time and was

24:36 like, we've got this car in our car park.

24:38 It's been there for months. Keep ringing the cops.

24:41 No one comes and gets this car. Like oh God, that's shit.

24:44 Like my car is missing. Like haven't no ones found it

24:47 anywhere? Like I'd be so annoyed like if

24:49 that was my car. Turns out it was my car.

24:53 She's like yeah, I was like what kind of car is it?

24:55 Also red Ford laser. You freaking kidding me?

24:57 What's the number plate? Yeah, wow.

24:59 My car. So yeah, anyway, got this phone

25:02 call like eventually saying, you know, yeah, that you need to

25:05 come and pick your car up. I'm like, well, they've been

25:07 sitting there getting destroyed the whole time.

25:08 So the cops had to pay me out for it like because it got more

25:12 beat up whilst. Sitting.

25:13 Yeah, at the McDonald's. Yeah, yeah.

25:15 Oh God, yeah. That car, I loved it, but I

25:17 hated it all in. One, yeah, I had a 1990 Holden

25:21 Barina beat the Barina, Yeah. And so I was born in 1985.

25:25 My car was born in 19. 99 my car was a year.

25:28 Young and I got it when I was 18.

25:29 Yeah. And it had the hardest clutch

25:34 known to man. I paid $1300.00 for the car the

25:38 clutch knowing that the clutch would need to be replaced at

25:42 some point. But it like I, I was walking in

25:45 circles. My left leg was so strong from

25:48 pushing this thing in. And I, I used to live near the

25:55 police Academy in Victoria and it's on the top of a hill.

25:58 Yeah. And my car would not make it up

26:00 the hill. So I used to have to go through

26:02 the back streets and weave my way up slowly got slowly go up

26:05 the hill because I couldn't go up the big hill on a time.

26:10 That's cool. It was such a it was I I loved

26:15 the same. I loved that car, but I hated

26:17 that car. It had no air conditioning, no

26:18 power steering, nothing like. That steering, at least my power

26:21 steering I was until I got into it.

26:22 I didn't understand what no power steering meant because I

26:25 got mine did, which was the weirdest thing of how shit this

26:28 car was. But then my friend got a car and

26:30 she asked me one day to drive it for her.

26:32 And I'm like, well, hers was automatic.

26:33 So like, where's mine was? Manual.

26:35 Yeah. Piece of piece to drive.

26:36 Yeah. Got to a corner and tried to

26:38 turn. I'm like, wait, hang on.

26:39 Wait, what? We're not turning.

26:41 Turn the wheel like 20 times just to go around the corner and

26:44 yet get heaving it. Suddenly crashed into a fence

26:46 like because I was like what the It's not turning the corner.

26:49 Yeah. Yeah, that was.

26:51 That's bizarre. Yeah.

26:52 The no power steering people do not know how good.

26:54 They're and it also had a manual choke.

26:57 Oh. Yeah, yeah, I had days.

26:58 No, they don't know days. I don't even know how to drive a

27:00 manual. Like I could literally get a

27:02 manual tomorrow and drive it. I know it.

27:04 I, when I bought my new car, which was certainly like 323, I

27:08 don't even know, two or three years old, when we were looking

27:12 for them, the guy was like, oh, So what model do you want?

27:15 And yeah, going through that and he's like, oh, your options are

27:19 the automatic whatever, however many liter, and the manual,

27:22 however many liter. I don't know.

27:23 They made them. They do $5000 more expensive.

27:25 Yeah. Yeah, because they mustn't make

27:27 many of them. But why would they even have the

27:29 option? Even though I didn't, I'm sure

27:30 they don't even have the option many Times Now.

27:32 See that? See that diesel or petrol's have

27:34 your options. Not, yeah, not or like,

27:36 dramatic. Yeah, that's it.

27:37 Yeah. What sports did you play when

27:40 you were growing up? I played many, many, many

27:42 sports. Literally, if you named a sport,

27:45 I would have had a go at it. Like I was very just into having

27:49 a go at sports. What?

27:50 Were your favorites. So I played a lot of netball.

27:54 I played hockey like they were probably the main one.

28:00 You're a good rower. Not rowing, Kayaking.

28:03 So I kayaked pretty extensively throughout secondary school.

28:06 Yeah. Through school and stuff, yeah.

28:08 But volleyball was another one. We did diving at one stage.

28:14 Yeah. Like anything and everything.

28:16 Yeah. Yeah.

28:16 I had to go to a lot of sports, but yeah, netball was my.

28:19 I love playing netball. Yeah, yeah.

28:21 I loved playing netball too, but I wrecked my knees playing it,

28:25 so I it's not like I continued on.

28:27 But the other day I went and watched our friend's daughter's

28:31 grand final, netball, grand final and fuck, I'm like, I just

28:35 want to get back out there and play netball.

28:36 That's yeah, we'll see. I love watching the kids play

28:38 basketball. Like I played basketball as

28:40 well, but I love watching the basketball.

28:42 But I'm kind of like, I don't know how I'd go watching netbook

28:44 'cause I think the white line fever.

28:45 Be even worse it was bad it was bad yeah I'm like I just wanna

28:49 get out there yeah I. Played right up until like we

28:52 had like a mixed team and stuff like, you know, in 20s and that

28:55 sort of stuff I loved. Playing.

28:57 Yeah, I played through my knees machine.

28:58 That was it. Yeah, 'cause my knees were so

29:00 bad and. Then I fucked my shoulders doing

29:02 the kayaking so just ruined from head to toe.

29:04 Aren't you though? My real My favorite sport that I

29:09 ever played though, was tennis. Yeah, I.

29:11 Bloody love tennis. We used to just play Giants

29:14 tennis. What's Giant tennis?

29:17 So year 12 you had to do sport. Like it wasn't like a subject.

29:19 You just in your timetable, you know, at our school you had to

29:22 include sport. It was just part of the

29:24 school's, you know, yeah, moral stuff, like anyway, so you just

29:28 rock up and they, the PA teacher wouldn't even like really watch

29:30 what you're doing. But you had to pick one of the

29:32 sports that was on offer and go and do it.

29:33 Like, and so we would always grab tennis rackets and we'd

29:36 head to the tennis court instead of like playing on one court,

29:39 'cause there were four courts, right?

29:40 We'd play over the fence between the the 2 girls, 2 courts and

29:44 two courts. And you play over the the fence

29:46 and play giants tennis. So you're just lobbing the.

29:49 Ball. Oh, totally.

29:50 Yeah, that's the best one. We used to love playing that.

29:53 Past the time, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:55 We had exercise for the week. Yeah, that's it.

29:58 That's all it really that is. Yeah.

29:59 What position do you sleep in? I was only talking about this

30:03 recently with someone that I do a real weird one and that

30:06 apparently it's maybe ADHD linked.

30:08 Here we go again. Go on.

30:10 OK, so I have what? And I've only just learned this.

30:12 What's called is a Flamingo, but it's it's like so that so one

30:18 leg down, one leg length, like length, weight long.

30:20 Yep. Long one leg bent.

30:21 Yep, up. And then my but my stomach is

30:24 like on the mattress. Yeah, yeah.

30:27 And so on the side and turned and twisted.

30:29 Yep. But Flamingo.

30:30 And there's a particular name for the whole thing does.

30:32 Your does your arm. Where are your arms?

30:34 Or do the little T Rex arms. OK, OK, I get that.

30:43 I've. I think that sometimes I sleep

30:45 like that. When I was in high school, I

30:48 broke my collarbone. Yeah.

30:49 And so I could only sleep on my back.

30:52 And now I actually sleep on my back, like almost all the time.

30:56 Weird. I know.

30:57 I know it's weird. And I know, like, does it.

31:00 I think like makes me a psycho or something.

31:02 Yeah, if you Google. It it does, yeah.

31:04 Serial killer? Absolutely.

31:06 Yeah. But more often than not, I sleep

31:08 on my back. Right, I did not notice about

31:11 you. I know you don't come across as

31:13 someone you're not outwardly fuck wit.

31:18 No, but in terms about in the in the comfort of my own bed, yeah,

31:24 I am. Psychopath.

31:26 Yeah. In our midst, do you know?

31:28 What's your favorite wine? Wet.

31:41 I'm into a Pinot Grigio at the moment.

31:43 Yeah, you are not a Pinot Grigio.

31:45 Yeah, yeah. If I was buying something for

31:47 you, I'd buy a Pinot Grigio. Yeah, that's probably where I'm

31:49 at at the moment. Yeah, I'm leaning like I'm I'm.

31:52 Trying so hard to get you into a car tonight.

31:55 Yeah, but it's not happening. I'm feeling like though by

32:00 winter I might be into red. Yeah, we've got to start with a

32:03 Pinot A. Lot yeah, yeah.

32:04 I, I, I've always I have previously really liked red

32:07 wine. Yeah.

32:08 And then not, not never not didn't like it.

32:11 It just wasn't my choice. Yeah, but I'm really kind of

32:14 enjoying a good red. Yeah, so last Friday we went to

32:17 a winery. Yeah, for lunch with a really

32:19 great group. Of people.

32:20 Awesome, I love that. A great group of mums from

32:23 school and one of the mums in our group bought a substantial

32:27 amount of wine. From her mum?

32:30 Pardon from her mum was it? She just kept saying she

32:34 reminded her of her mom. From her You mean the tasting

32:37 lady Heather or whatever her name was?

32:40 Yes, Okay, sorry I missed what you were saying there.

32:43 And anyway, we then had lunch at this winery and it was

32:46 absolutely like the best lunch I've had in a really long.

32:50 So we named the winery because they were very generous.

32:52 They were Levantine Hills in the Yarra Valley in Victoria.

32:56 They were awesome. Anyway, so we've had our lunch.

32:59 A few people bought a few bottles of wine, but one of our

33:02 friends bought plenty. Anyway, we're sitting outside

33:05 having a cheese platter and the last glass of wine before we

33:07 were due to leave. You know, it's a hard life,

33:10 guys. It's a really hard life.

33:11 Yeah. And the our friend who'd bought

33:15 all the wine, she was like, oh, come in.

33:16 The lady wanted to see us all. And we're like, OK, go.

33:20 So we walk inside and she's like, the chairman wanted to

33:23 gift you all a bottle of wine. And we were like, oh, chairman,

33:27 it's my new best friend. Yeah.

33:30 And I think you've got a bottle of peanut wine.

33:32 Right. So I'll come and help you.

33:35 Well, I may have actually given that away, but to someone who

33:37 deserved it. OK, Very much so.

33:39 OK, good. Yeah, Yeah.

33:40 That's. Good.

33:41 It's gone to good. It has.

33:42 Well, you can. Come in because.

33:44 It was a very nice bottle and I was like, I feel like very nice.

33:47 Was it? Yeah.

33:47 And the thing was I was kind of like, I mean, I could sit at

33:49 home and drink that. No, no worries.

33:50 That's fine. But is that really fine?

33:52 Yeah. Well I appreciate it to the

33:54 point this needs to be worth. Also said like it's because it's

33:57 such a good quality you can sell it for up to 25.

34:00 Years which I didn't tell that to that person that I gave it

34:02 to, which I showed. Anyway, so yes, we will get you

34:07 into Pinot Noir, yeah, and I will at some point get you into

34:10 Chardonnay. The Chardonnay we had at

34:13 Levantine was. Nice.

34:15 That was I could. Drink very that was.

34:16 Also $200 a bottle so. Yeah, that's true.

34:19 Anyway, I don't like anything. That's expensive.

34:22 Yeah. My my favorite is like a French

34:25 champagne. Come at me any day.

34:27 Yeah. I love a rose.

34:29 Yeah. On a hot summer's day.

34:31 An ice cold Rosie. Yeah.

34:33 Dry rose. Yeah.

34:35 I cannot stand anything with any sweetness.

34:38 No. So like, we've got a Yeah, we've

34:41 got. I cannot even the smell of them

34:43 turn nice. To make the smell.

34:45 Yeah. Yeah, I know.

34:47 I went out to dinner with that person on that same day and

34:51 there's a lot of drinking in that day.

34:52 And I convinced her to get a bottle of actually, I convinced

34:55 her on a Semyon Sav to try. And it's still.

34:58 No, no, not at all. It's not my favorite either.

35:00 But because we're gonna share a bottle, I wasn't going Moscato.

35:03 Oh, no. And I don't think.

35:04 And I couldn't get her as far over as a, a pedigree or even a,

35:07 you know, that sort of thing. That was OK Well, if we can go

35:09 in the middle. Yeah.

35:10 This will be a little bit sweet for you.

35:11 And she, she was OK with that. Yeah.

35:13 Yeah. Good.

35:15 OK, We're, we're we're we're slowly moving things.

35:19 What are your favorite podcasts to listen to?

35:22 This was a This was a question from a fan.

35:26 Oh OK, Favorite podcasts? Well, top of the list has got to

35:29 be the podcast Gods Christie and Lauren over at True Crime

35:34 Cocktails. I bloody love them.

35:36 So Lauren Ash was on Superstore. She played Dina funniest all get

35:42 out. She's great.

35:43 Her she and her cousin Christie started true crime and

35:47 cocktails, I think in 2020. Yeah and I that's what I found

35:50 them during lockdown for sure. And I think it was pretty early

35:53 on in in their run when I found them and I'm like they are so

35:57 funny and their rapport is amazing and I love the way they.

36:01 So generally speaking, Christie researchers and presents the

36:05 cases and and Lauren will like comment on it, but I love

36:10 they're all on the same wavelength.

36:12 Yeah, funny and totally worth a a listen.

36:15 And, like, their banter actually is like, I think half their

36:18 show, basically, and I'll just listen to that.

36:20 Yeah. Like, the crime stuff's great,

36:22 really good. But they're banters.

36:24 Other people I know, like, complain about it because their

36:26 crime stuff's so good, too. Yeah, that they're like, I'll

36:28 just get past that. I wanna get the crime.

36:29 But I can listen to all of it. Love it.

36:31 I piss myself when I listen. To them the episodes like.

36:34 Three hours long. Yeah.

36:35 Because they're banter, Yeah, it's so good.

36:38 You're right, they're they're awesome.

36:39 Yeah, to me, it brings a whole lot of stuff that I love

36:42 together. Like, yeah, yeah.

36:43 So because I mean, I love a variety of podcasts, not just

36:46 true crimes, but like for me that is not just true crime.

36:50 Yeah, agreed. Agreed.

36:51 I also love No Filter. Yeah, Mamma Mia.

36:54 They it's a interview style podcast and I love the way she

36:58 interviews. So Mia Friedman's the

37:00 interviewer and she's amazing. Like she just rolls with things

37:04 and she's usually so well prepared.

37:06 I love the question questions that she asks.

37:07 I'm like, Oh yeah, that's what I would want to know.

37:09 Yeah, that's the question I had in my head for that.

37:11 Person. Yeah, she's very good at that.

37:14 And also another Mamma Mia podcast that I love if you want

37:16 something really light to listen to is cancelled.

37:20 Yes, so twin sisters host the podcast and they choose somebody

37:25 to cancel each week and it is so fucking funny.

37:27 But there was one about they cancelled Ariana Grande in one

37:30 of the episodes and they cancelled because because she

37:33 thinks she's little. Like it was just so it's really

37:36 funny. It's very lighthearted and great

37:39 because. Anyway, because Ariana Grande

37:41 think she's little. Because the host think she's

37:43 little. No, because she thinks Ariana

37:45 Grande thinks she's. Yeah, right.

37:46 And she makes herself little and she loves being carried around

37:50 like a little baby. And it's just very funny the way

37:52 they talk about it. Yeah.

37:55 And then I also love like, podcasts, like, like ABC's

37:58 conversations. Yeah, I, you know, there's

38:00 always really interesting topics and things on that.

38:02 Yeah, I love a good like quick like rundown of like Daily News.

38:05 Yep. Like there's a a squeeze one of

38:08 that that I love a daily squeeze one that's really good just to

38:10 get the the headlines. Yeah, in like 10 minutes.

38:13 That's great. Yeah, Yeah.

38:15 Cool, no, I wish I had more time to listen to podcasts honestly.

38:19 Have you told though, that since we've started doing this, you

38:21 can listen to less podcasts because we're you're generally

38:24 researching in the time that you used to listen?

38:26 Definitely. Yeah, I'm kind of, I miss some

38:28 of my, yes, regular ones that does it.

38:30 Literally just going, God, what do I normally listen to now?

38:32 Because yeah, I'm not listening to as many anymore.

38:35 I've listened. To we don't have time.

38:36 No, no. Yeah, but it's, it's a, a

38:39 positive shift, Yeah, so. That kind of leads into a

38:43 question I have a little bit down the down the track, yeah,

38:46 but so I'll ask it now, but how do you go about researching for

38:50 our podcast? Yeah, OK.

38:52 Mine keeps changing. Like I think I've worked, worked

38:55 out how I'm going to do things, but then I keep changing.

38:57 Is it case dependent? No, I think it's like mood

38:59 depends, right? So I like to think I'm

39:04 organized, but I'm really actually, really not deep down,

39:08 but. You are.

39:09 I look like I am. It's like a duck on water.

39:12 The whole thing's going on down the bottom.

39:15 Yeah. So it's messy.

39:16 It's getting. And I'm actually finding what

39:18 stupid is. The messier I am about it, the

39:22 better I am. Maybe that's how your brain

39:24 retains the information. Just have to lean into that.

39:26 I don't want to, I want to be, I want to be neat and tidy about

39:29 it, but the messier I am, it's actually working and I just have

39:32 to roll with it because originally, like I bought the

39:34 notebook and I was going to keep all my notes in the book and

39:38 that's just doesn't happen. I write notes on my phone.

39:42 I. Got my notebook but it.

39:44 Is pages just random pages because I type things or I cut

39:48 and paste things or I because I'm someone who just if I read

39:51 it, I know it? I'm the same.

39:54 So I don't actually need the notes, but if I don't have them

39:56 then I don't know it anymore. Like it's weird when that works,

39:59 I don't know. I'm I try so at the start of the

40:03 week, so we record on a Friday and then literally whatever

40:06 we've just recorded goes straight out of my mind.

40:09 So much so that sometimes I will listen to our podcast, which

40:13 might come out two or three weeks later and be like, oh, I

40:15 forgot that detail. I didn't know that.

40:17 Yeah, I knew it obviously, because I said it.

40:19 It's. Like listening to two completely

40:21 different people. It is telling us the story

40:23 because yeah, I don't remember it then.

40:24 Yeah. I don't know how we do it, but

40:26 we complete like both of us empty our minds of it.

40:29 And then usually I'll give myself the Saturday to not do

40:33 anything. Yeah.

40:34 And then I start researching on the Sunday.

40:35 That's the next case, start my weekly, like if I'm doing like

40:39 my housework, usually I do, that's usually a Sunday job and

40:42 so that's fine. But if it's a Saturday, I will.

40:44 So I'll pop a podcast in. Like that's sometimes how I'll

40:47 start depending on the case of what I already know about it.

40:50 Sure. Sometimes I like to orientate

40:52 myself with a podcast on the topic just to kind of go, Oh

40:56 yeah, they're the main points. And then I'll research from

40:58 there. Yeah, yeah.

41:00 Other other times, if I know the case a little bit already, I'll

41:03 I'll have already a point I want to enter from.

41:05 Yeah. And I'll research first.

41:06 So it just depends. It's sort.

41:07 Of a bit like that too yeah usually I'll start with a

41:09 podcast same to get to re familiarize myself with the case

41:13 yeah or to familiarize myself with the case if I don't know

41:18 much about it and then I'm a note taker so I write and write

41:24 and write so some of our cases I will have 10 or 15 pages of

41:28 handwritten notes but I'm the same once I've written it down I

41:31 can remember it yeah so if I didn't write it down and just

41:34 listen to it I actually wouldn't remember it I.

41:37 Did write the audio will go in like that which I'm learning,

41:39 yeah. That it does, yeah.

41:42 Yeah. Anyway.

41:43 And then, I mean, we try not, we don't script anything.

41:46 So we talk from memory most of the time.

41:50 Like normally when it comes to recording, I will compress my

41:53 notes into dot points and it'll just be like dates and names and

41:59 things that I don't necessarily remember on the fly.

42:03 And then, yeah, that's where things together.

42:05 It works well with you and I that we've worked out that

42:07 you're the dates person. Yeah, you remember that stuff.

42:11 And I'm just like the I'm the bits in between.

42:13 Yeah. And you've always got really

42:14 interesting stuff that you've found.

42:16 Like I love the tact that you take and I like it that we've

42:20 generally got something different to bring to the table.

42:23 Like there are often recordings where I'm like, oh, I didn't

42:25 know that. Like we, you know, we recorded

42:27 an episode today and there was a bit at the end where I was like,

42:30 oh, there you go. I didn't actually know that

42:32 piece of information. And I'm sure same happens.

42:34 Yeah. Other way around, Yeah, yeah,

42:35 definitely. You pull out stuff that I'm

42:37 like, Oh my God, what the hell Did you find that?

42:38 Because I feel like I I looked everywhere.

42:42 All right, next question. What TV series could you watch

42:45 several times? I know yours.

42:47 Yeah, you know mine. Yeah, Soprano is for sure, and

42:49 I'm trying to watch it again myself actually, but I'm

42:52 struggling. This is a time thing.

42:54 Yeah, yeah. Oh, I could watch it again and

42:58 again. I can't because I remember them

43:03 like too well. And I think that's my issue.

43:04 I kind of like get through, get to episodes and kind of go, I've

43:08 I've seen this, I already know this.

43:09 Yeah, I do like to watch things once.

43:12 OK. Unless, yeah, I don't know, I

43:16 can recite shows, I think, after I've watched it once.

43:19 And therefore, like, I've realized how bad I am with The

43:22 Simpsons, with that. Yeah.

43:23 Like, I haven't watched them since I was a kid in the 90s.

43:27 And the boys have just got into it.

43:28 And I hear in the background and I hear myself, you know, like,

43:31 my head and my shoulder. Yeah.

43:34 And I'll say it before the show says it.

43:36 Like, you know, them and their boys are like constantly.

43:38 Like, how did I was going to say that?

43:40 Like, because I watched it in 1993.

43:42 Yeah. Last century.

43:44 Yeah, as I keep reminding me, yeah.

43:47 Yeah, I love that. What an amazing yeah.

43:50 What was your favorite subject in school?

43:54 Psychology. OK, yeah.

43:57 Wished I'd pursued that more. Really.

43:59 Yeah, you would have been great actually.

44:00 Yeah, really good like that. Yeah, I should have probably,

44:03 but yeah, didn't have the balls too.

44:05 Yeah, it's, I mean, it's hard, isn't?

44:07 It. Well, I didn't think I'd get the

44:08 scores to do it. Yeah, I was convinced I was

44:11 stupid. Lots of reasons.

44:14 Yeah, No, I genuinely thought that I was.

44:16 I would have got a very pathetic score and wouldn't have got.

44:19 I didn't think I was going to get to university.

44:20 I didn't think I was smart at all.

44:23 Yeah. So smart.

44:24 No, because there'd been some tests done.

44:28 Like there are some assessments I'd had that had indicated that

44:31 I couldn't comprehend information and things.

44:34 Yeah, it all comes together later in life when you come to

44:37 go. Oh, that's why.

44:38 So I have dyslexia, you know, so reading's not my favorite thing

44:41 to do, like, honestly, but it, it actually is when I know how

44:44 to do it. Now that I've learnt things

44:46 about myself over time, and I know how to do it in a way that

44:48 works, I actually am a very good reader and I can read things

44:52 very well. But it's.

44:54 Yeah. And then comprehending it, it's

44:55 expressing it sometimes, Yeah. I don't know what the goal is.

44:58 My brain works in a very different level.

45:01 Yeah. But yeah, I was convinced I was

45:03 very unintelligent and not going to get a score that would get me

45:05 into any university course. So then I yes, so I didn't.

45:10 Apply for Yeah. Those sorts of courses which I

45:12 should have because the score. Would you ever, would you ever

45:14 go back and study now as a mature age?

45:16 Student, if I had them, all the money in the world to be able to

45:18 do that, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'd go back and do

45:20 psychology in a second. Yeah.

45:22 Amazing. Yeah.

45:23 Yeah, that would be, yeah. Child psychology, I think.

45:26 Yeah, Yeah. Actually, yeah, you would be.

45:27 That would combine the two things.

45:30 Yeah, I think so. But then again, psychopaths get

45:33 me too. Yeah, you know.

45:37 How about you? Mine science for sure high

45:40 school was science yeah and I liked I I actually loved school

45:47 yeah, I was What were you like at school?

45:49 I was a total nerd and I was so such a strady 180 like I never

45:57 did anything bad never. I was such a goody 2 shoes.

46:01 I like always applied myself. I was like, you know, my, my

46:07 school reports always said Emory's such a conscientious

46:10 student or, you know, all that stuff.

46:13 And yeah, I just love school. I loved going to school.

46:18 I loved being with my friends, but I also loved like the

46:21 academic side of things. Yeah.

46:25 Yeah, I just love school and then uni.

46:27 For me though, like I studied biomedical science at university

46:33 and I didn't love it. Like I I loved my course,

46:36 actually, I loved doing the course, but I didn't love the

46:39 university experience that I loved.

46:42 Yeah, like there was some fun things and I met some lovely

46:45 people, but I was really sort of keen, I think to get out into

46:49 the workforce. Like, I was really eager to just

46:51 be done with study. Right and just.

46:55 Going to do something? Like I just felt.

46:57 Like I don't. Know the social aspect of of

46:59 university I loved like yeah, it wasn't it certainly wasn't an

47:03 academic thing that I loved about uni like yeah I enjoyed it

47:06 but yeah it wasn't my jam really.

47:10 I think I annoyed people because as much as I thought I was

47:13 really unintelligent, I could just get marks without really

47:17 trying much. Not I didn't have to do the hard

47:20 studying, like madly to get a pass, you know?

47:23 Yeah, So like, I didn't do it. He's.

47:25 Get degree. He gets degree with my my

47:28 absolute theory the entire way through.

47:30 Yeah, yeah. It's the same piece of paper.

47:33 Yeah. Yeah.

47:35 So yeah, people. Yeah.

47:37 But I loved uni and the lifestyle it was.

47:39 I could have done that forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:44 What is your most used emoji on your phone?

47:47 Laughing emoji thing. I think I got told recently.

47:50 Yeah, I think I got told by my niece, though apparently that

47:52 doesn't mean that and that I. Shouldn't.

47:53 What does it mean? I don't know.

47:55 Do you know what? The thumbs up can actually mean

47:57 like the rude thing. Yeah, OK, I know.

48:00 I'm just gonna go into my phone and check mine.

48:01 I got told because it comes. Yeah, I got told how to use the

48:04 dead emoji instead of my laughing one.

48:08 Oh, OK, so my most used or my most recent ones, you know how

48:11 it comes up is the :) with the love hearts around it.

48:16 Oh yeah. I think if you looked in my

48:19 brother's phone, it'd be the eggplant, because he seems to

48:22 send that to me. Well, that's weird all the time.

48:25 It's weird that your brother's sending of that.

48:30 And I'm also quite partial to the hands up like the oh praise

48:33 you sort of emoji isn't a high. 5 like.

48:36 A no, no, the high 5's a different 1.

48:38 And I also like the the clapping hands emoji, like, you know.

48:41 Oh yeah, well done, you and the fire.

48:43 I thought that was like praise. Thank you.

48:45 No. No, no, not the praying one.

48:48 The one that's like, ah, like 2 hands up.

48:51 Yeah. Oh yeah.

48:51 Go you. Oh no, I thought it was a hype.

48:53 Like hands up, No, that's not. No, there is a high 5-1, isn't

48:56 there? I don't know, I misunderstand

48:58 emojis. Like we are not we are not in

49:00 the right generation for this question.

49:02 I don't. Think no.

49:03 Well, I mean are emojis dead or what?

49:06 Oh are they? I don't know.

49:07 I use this the hand slap one in my face a lot too.

49:09 Oh. OK, I don't really use that one.

49:11 Yeah, well, it's probably just the life I lead the.

49:17 I should have known that. Yeah, that one's up there.

49:19 Oh, and the champagne glasses. Oh, yeah.

49:23 Oh, I do use that a fair. Bit we do actually in between

49:25 us, that's probably our most used in our group conversation.

49:28 Yeah, in our one. Yeah.

49:30 All right. Next one, what gives you the

49:32 ick? Wait, how long have we got?

49:39 This is actually going way longer than I thought it was

49:41 going to go so. Oh, God, it has to.

49:43 Yeah. Oh, God, what's OK?

49:45 There's so many things. So many, it depends on the it's

49:50 person specific, I think. Yeah, in a lot of ways.

49:55 Are we talking Ick just don't want to be your friend or ick

49:58 don't want to be? Like would just like.

50:01 It could even be, I don't know, a thing that gives you the ick.

50:06 People eating with their mouth open gets me.

50:09 Yeah, every time. Yeah, but I mean a guy on an

50:14 elliptical, of course that gives me the ick.

50:17 That whole action. Oh yeah, yeah.

50:20 Yeah, why that one's? Really.

50:21 What about like blokes in bike shorts?

50:24 Totally. You need to wear a modesty short

50:27 over the top. Modesty.

50:28 Short. Does Peter wear a modesty short?

50:31 Of course he does. I would not let him go out

50:33 wearing his Knicks. He's quite partial to a cycle.

50:39 But yeah, I know he absolutely wears like a courtesy short over

50:44 the top of his bike shorts. Thank you.

50:48 You're welcome. Oh, no.

50:49 But he, I he wouldn't go out without it either.

50:52 No. You know how there are just

50:55 certain people that kind of give you the ick, like I was telling

50:57 you before about somebody who, like this guy walks past my

51:01 house like a lot of times in a day, and there's just something

51:04 about him that gives me the ick. Like it just.

51:06 Yeah. Yeah.

51:07 I don't know specifically what it is, but yeah.

51:12 Yeah, that's the thing. It's always, it can be very

51:14 specific to that person. Yeah, that someone else doing

51:18 that wouldn't bother me. But yeah, the elliptical 1 gets

51:21 me. I cannot.

51:22 Write one. I'm with you on that one.

51:25 Yeah. All right.

51:26 This one's a little more podcast related.

51:28 Yeah. So what made us want to start a

51:30 podcast? OK.

51:33 Are we just. Yeah, we just sort of like we're

51:35 all into podcasts individually. I'm sharing ones we're listening

51:39 to. Yeah.

51:39 And then it was just kind of like, we should do that.

51:42 But we'd be good at that. We'd be good at that.

51:44 Yeah, we've got lots to say. We certainly have a lot of

51:46 opinions on everything. Lots of things.

51:50 And the other thing is, like, I feel like our opinions mostly

51:52 align. Like we, we chat when we were

51:56 chatting about things, like we'd feel the same way, but then we'd

51:59 also sometimes have things where we're like, oh, no, we're like

52:01 totally discrepant in terms of like what we were thinking.

52:05 And we're like, oh, that could actually be interesting to

52:07 listen to. Yeah.

52:09 And we also felt like we had like a bit of a a fresh take on

52:14 how we would approach it too. So do an unscripted, yeah, do

52:17 the back and forth banter and just try and be like natural, I

52:22 don't know, a bit more natural with it.

52:23 Yeah. Which is what we like listening

52:26 to. Yeah.

52:27 And I mean, we've got ideas of maybe others that we could.

52:30 Yeah, we do. Yeah.

52:31 Yeah, we, we had, when we first started, we, we actually weren't

52:36 going to do a true crime podcast.

52:38 So we've actually got an idea for another type of podcast

52:41 which we may bring to people at some point if we can find the

52:45 time to produce 2 podcasts. In a week.

52:47 Well, that's the thing, yeah. That would be a lot of work.

52:50 It would be. It would have to mean that we're

52:52 at a point where. This was our job.

52:53 That's. What we did, yeah.

52:55 So if anyone wants to sponsor us any.

52:58 Fun that. Yeah, please.

53:00 We'd be up for that. We're happy to negotiate

53:02 salaries. Yeah, the workload for this

53:05 alone is enough at the moment. Yeah, I couldn't fit in another

53:09 one. No, even sometimes with this,

53:11 I'm like, even last night I was up until so late just finishing

53:15 off the research and yeah. Yeah, I know.

53:20 It's yeah. If I can't space space it out

53:22 over the week, that Thursday night before a Friday record can

53:25 be very late night. Very late night, Yeah.

53:28 Yeah, yeah, to try and find all of that.

53:30 Absolutely. Final question for today's

53:33 episode comes from producer Pete.

53:36 And it's. Actually, not even a question.

53:38 Oh, I'm intrigued. His favorite part of our

53:41 episode, Oh God, is that in pretty much every episode.

53:45 Clap. It's the clap.

53:46 Oh, he does like the clap, but the favorite, his favorite part

53:50 of the episode is that pretty much every week we call someone

53:53 a piece of shit and he's like, can you, can you guys please

53:57 give me your best piece of shit? Then we need to put on AT shirt.

54:01 Yeah, go. OK, what a piece of shit.

54:05 And Peter also likes someone to go Oh.

54:10 You're good at your disgust total.

54:12 Disgust. Yeah, what a total piece of

54:15 shit. You're welcome, Peter.

54:19 That the other one that we say a lot is love.

54:22 That love. That love that.

54:24 We do say that a lot. Someone actually I noticed in

54:26 one of our comments on, I think it was on Spotify, someone

54:30 actually wrote love that. And I'm like, Oh yeah, they've

54:33 totally picked up on this. Yeah.

54:35 But we, I love that. Yeah, take the piss.

54:38 You do that, yes. We bring on the trolls.

54:41 I'm a bit disappointed we don't have enough.

54:43 We've had a few, but nothing spicy.

54:47 Bring it, bring it, love it. Yeah, keep, keep going with the

54:50 nice comments. Really.

54:51 No, no. We love those.

54:52 So much joy. Love that.

54:54 Love that it, it really is motivating and keeps us like

54:59 wanting to wanting to keep going with us for.

55:01 Sure it makes it worthwhile like those late Thursday nights yeah

55:04 stuff yeah that you kinda go OK well people are listening and

55:07 people are enjoying this then I can do that yeah yeah cuz I mean

55:09 I enjoy research don't get me wrong like it's it is like we do

55:13 it because we love. It I mean, if we didn't.

55:15 Want to do it? We just wouldn't do it.

55:16 Action. Project.

55:18 Yeah, yeah. Oh, trust me, my brain can turn

55:20 off and not do it if I don't want to do it.

55:21 Yeah, sometimes when I don't want it to do that.

55:24 Yeah, I. Hear, I hear.

55:26 All right. Did you have any burning

55:28 questions that you wanted to ask?

55:29 I'm putting you on the spot now. Putting me on the spot, no.

55:34 No, all done. Yeah, I think the brain's fried.

55:36 Do you know what I need? Coffee a.

55:38 Wine A. Mimosa Mimosa at our favorite

55:42 cafe after we record. Yeah, every Friday after we

55:44 record, we go up to the local cafe and they have $8 mimosas

55:48 all day, every day. They know us now.

55:50 They know us. They're like so wine and we're

55:52 like, I literally order the same thing pretty much and they know

55:58 my order. Yeah, you mix it up a bit.

56:01 I'm. Just wondering now if they've

56:01 got that, those focaccias happening now that he was

56:04 talking about last week. Oh.

56:05 Yeah, that was OK that. Yeah, totally.

56:08 You know what, Let's go it, let's do it.

56:10 Sorry guys, but. Welcome to join.

56:13 Cheers, you can join us. Fridays.

56:17 All right. Thanks everybody for listening.

56:20 Our regular scheduled programming will be back next

56:23 week and yeah, we'll be releasing weekly episodes again

56:27 from there on out, so. Plan.

56:29 Keep an eye out on our socials and you can see what we're about

56:32 to drop, which episodes we're about to drop, and contact us if

56:36 there's anything else you want to know because we will be doing

56:38 QA episodes, I think sporadically throughout the year

56:41 as well. Cool.

56:42 And yeah, like let us know what else you want.

56:44 What do you, what do you want from us?

56:45 Yeah. Which cases give us cases?

56:47 I love it when people give us case suggestions.

56:49 Oh God, yeah. Now they go straight on that

56:51 list and we, and The thing is, we don't just like work down the

56:53 list. We we hunting down the list and

56:55 pick and choose our stuff. So what?

56:57 Are we feeling like next week? Oh, no, There was too much

56:59 murder. We might do like, something

57:01 else. Yeah.

57:04 Do I feel mentally able to cover?

57:06 Yeah. You know, something more?

57:08 Heavy something someone asked me of like why hadn't we done a

57:10 certain case yet? But you know, I was like, we

57:13 wanted to do that one, but it was too similar in some ways of

57:16 like. And that was a really, if we've

57:18 had a really full on mental load case, yeah, doing 1 again,

57:22 following it up can be a bit hard.

57:24 So we do try and mix it up for our own mental health.

57:27 Yeah. As well as.

57:28 Because I know this come off the back of some recording some

57:31 episodes, and you really do feel it, Yeah.

57:33 There's a couple that hit pretty hard.

57:35 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

57:38 All right. All good.

57:39 Thanks everybody for listening and yeah, we'll see you next

57:42 week. See ya.

57:43 Stay curious, CRAN besties.