Bonus Episode: Q & A

0:16 Happy New Year to crime besties. Yes, Happy New Year. I can't believe it. 2025 here we are. Fuck. That's scary, isn't? It we thought we would just drop into your feed and release a little bonus Q&A episode today. So we didn't want to leave you hanging for the whole three-week break that we had planned. No, we did have to. Have a break from having cocktails? Oh, I guess. Oh, just. Just for a quick moment or two. Otherwise known as hanging out with their kids. And getting through the day with a cocktail or two.

0:49 I wonder if wine consumption goes up. Oh, I'm. It would have to, Yeah. I mean all the celebrations as well. Some. Some you've got to, you know, have a beverage. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Coffee can only do so. Much. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah. So we thought we'd release a bit of AQ and a episode because we have had some really lovely feedback about the banter that we sort of have before our episodes. Yeah. And also like maybe to get to know us a little bit better as, as people and not just, you know, delving into the world of true crime and all of that.

1:22 Just all the stuff. I mean, we're we love it, yeah, which is why we host a true crime podcast. But you know, there's a lot more to us as well. So we put out, so last year we put out on our socials a bit of an Ask Me Anything box and we've had a few responses through there. I've also had a few people face to face ask me questions and want to know things. And I'm like, well, if you want to know it, then I'm sure other people want to know it as well. So I have got all of the questions in front of me.

1:51 You haven't seen them yet? No, I, I'm coming to this completely cold. Yeah, I have no idea what's going on. To be fair, I haven't. Drafted like pretty much every other episode yet that. Is not true at all. That is not true at all. We tend to be able to, like, figure out between us. Somebody always knows a little bit more about what's going on. Yeah, we'd hope sometimes. Depends.

2:16 All right. Should we get straight into it? Sure should. Although I have to say sometimes we'll answer honestly today. Absolutely. Because I love when we leave the school grounds or quite often someone will say to us on a Friday, oh, what are you guys doing today? Because I know it's our day off, whatever. And we go just on our way to the studio with the actual answer to that question. Probably should be Emma's front room. Yeah, So I've got like a little. I don't know the home theatre type of room and every Friday morning I get the trestle table from behind the couch.

2:49 Open that up, set up the banners that are behind us if you're watching us, and then we plug everything in and then we record our episode and then we pack everything down so that this room is usable once again in the afternoon, the dream would be to have a studio set up. Wouldn't it? God, that would be amazing. One day, one day, 'cause then we can have like we've, we've talked about the aesthetics of that and how that should look. And I, I love we're both on the same page. They will have some, like, really comfy couches and some really, like, gorgeous, calming, you know, plants and stuff.

3:23 Yeah. Just nice. Yeah. Yeah. To, you know, contradict the murder and mayhem that we're discussing on the day. The dream, yeah. But you know like this will do for now for sure. Yeah, it works. It totally works. Yeah, we have moved through a few different stages of what our setup is, but that's what we are now. Yeah, I feel like when we first started, we were doing it at my kitchen bench, but. Or in separate places or in. Or in different places, yeah. But now the way that we've got it set up, we really kind of have to be together ideally, yeah, to get the best sound quality.

3:55 Yes, yeah. So yeah, we're always coming together on usually on a Friday, yeah. To to record, Yeah, neither have kids all work that day, provided the kids are well in at school that that happens. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do you want to maybe give us first of all, like a little bit of background about you, like who you are, what you do? I'm sure we've mentioned over our episodes a little bit like that, but you're gonna start with that, OK. Yep. All right. Cool. So me first. Yeah, Yeah. All right. OK, so.

4:27 Oh God, I don't know who I am. I'm still working that out. I'm 43 years old, yeah, and I'm still working out who I am because I have had life changes. I was divorced 2 1/2 years ago, roughly. Yeah. So I'm working out who I am. I've been a teacher of primary and early childhood. I work in the sector out of the classroom these days, but yeah, I'm still working out who I am and what my life goal is. I think it's yeah, changing as we speak. Yeah, yeah, I've got 2 beautiful boys. Yeah, I have two incredibly awesome, good kids.

5:07 They are the best. I love them dearly. The 7:00 and 9:00 about to go into grade 2 and grade four this year, which I'm sorry, that's not allowed. I mean, as a teacher, I've, I've really taught the lower level levels, you know, like prep was my absolute love and then an early childhood teaching like 4 year old kinder kids. So I I was hoping that I'd keep that age child for the rest of my life. Yeah, because you know how to deal with that. Age well, it's Even so much like how to deal with that? It's what I love, like, I love like the like there's a quote of the four year old child asks 468 questions a day.

5:46 And for most people that's their worst nightmare and it and it can be on its day. But I absolutely adore that innocence and that, you know, curiosity. And I just don't want them to grow up and become, I don't know, not so curious. Yeah. And yeah. And jaded. Yeah. Yeah, so and angsty. Yeah, I mean, look, coming up to a 10 year old, I'm enjoying them as they grow up, like absolutely. And I'm loving like seeing that maturity and everything in them. But at the same time, I'd kill just have. I was doing my elders yesterday actually about that.

6:15 We haven't done much Christmas craft and he's like, yeah, why haven't we done that? And yeah, because life's got busy. We just don't do those things now because they're older. They've got other things and they don't they don't want to sit with their mom and do crafting anymore. I was like, kill to still do that with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's. That's you in a nutshell. I think so. Well, I'm married to Peter, producer Pete and we also have two boys. My eldest is 10 and my youngest is 8 by the time this comes out.

6:52 So his birthday is very, very early January.

6:56 Yeah, I'm a medical scientist by trade, but I actually manage a division at work. So I work for one of the big pathology private pathology companies and, and I manage sort of like a, a subdivision of, of that, of that company now, which I, you know, I absolutely adore the people I work with. I think I've been there for a really long time and it is the people I work with that make the job. I just, I thrive in that sort of that environment where you're working with a team and there's lots of different people and it's just fun.

7:31 Like I, I really enjoy going into the office. Like I know a lot of people like working from home if they can, but I love going in. I would much prefer to go into the office. I don't really work from home very often. And yeah, just, yeah, I guess hobbies and that kind of thing. Podcasting and going to the gym that they're my two things that I do just for me yeah yeah. And I think you're right. Like I think I'm, I'm about to turn 40 this year and I think that it's a, I don't, I feel the same. I don't really know who I am as a almost 40 year old woman.

8:11 Because we've had, we've had kids like. Yeah, like things change and you've got to figure out, like, each life stage where you fit and what you want. And yeah, I think that's actually a really exciting place to be. Yeah, No, I I'd say that not as a negative thing. I think that I don't know who I am. Yeah, that's great. It's. Nice to discover these things. And excited to see what that thing is now because, yeah, it's starting to sort of like the podcasting thing. I'm absolutely loving this and I'm really hoping that, yeah, is that going to take me down a path, you know, or, or is there something else that will distract me 'cause I may have some ADHD tendencies sometimes?

8:42 No, you don't say. All right. Should we get into like the the official question? Yeah, that's. Good. I'm gonna start with a really easy one. OK, OK. What's your favorite colour? Oh, you'll notice from every time we record, probably, I reckon most people that watch this, we'll probably scream at them, say what colour is. It's green, green, green. I'm very particular about my shades of green. Yeah, I'm not any any green, but I do love green. And green does look good on you. Like in terms of like wearing it, it's your colour.

9:12 Yeah. And I definitely, when I think of you, I think green or blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, green. I've always, yeah, I love the colour green, yeah. I'm pink and yellow, yeah, and I do like a really bright neon orange as well. You like you're very bright. I like bright. I'm wearing black today, but I do like bright colours. Yeah, yeah. But see, normally I'd see you in that black though with a pop of colour. Usually, yeah, yeah, I would go like a necklace or something. But yeah, I'm not today, of course, when we're actually talking about it.

9:45 All right, a slightly deeper question next. OK, what was one of the happier moments of your life? Oh, I mean my kids being born like just the cliche, I guess. But it is, it's I was only talking about this with a friend recently about having kids and how that that feels to love. Like she hasn't got kids of her own. And she was like, but I love the kids that I work with and I'm like, it's different. Yeah, it's yeah, that's that's yeah, ultimate. It's something I wanted all my life I think too. Yeah.

10:14 When you, yeah, when you were a kid, did you always want to be a mum? No. OK. No, I wouldn't say that. Yeah. But once I was older, it was kind of like, yeah, that's what I want in my life. It wasn't something I was, I mean, as a kid I had like, Cabbage Patch dolls, all that sort of stuff, you know? But I was a bit tomboyish. Like all my dolls were all boys. But I think it came from like I was the only girl in amongst many, many boys. So yeah, I wasn't like that typical, I guess, you know, like, yeah, I want to be a mum.

10:44 That's the only thing I want to do. I wanted to be a mum, but also a career thing. It was like a, you know, that that's part of me. It was always just part of what I wanted to do. Yeah, not everything I wanted to. Do. Yeah. I think I always wanted to be a mum. Like even I remember from a really little girl, just. I just knew that I would. I wanted to be a mum right from. Yeah, a really early age. I'm the same as you. I grew up surrounded by boys. So in my immediate family I've got a brother. Yeah.

11:11 But then all of my cousins on both sides of my family are all boys. Yeah, until I was 17, I think I was. And my beautiful first ever female cousin Layla was born. Yeah. So I had to wait a very, very long time for her. But oh, my God, I love her so much. Yeah. And we're really good friends now. She's in her 20s and I just love her. I I love her to pieces. I love my male cousins, too. They're great. Yeah, but it's different. It's different. I just I I would literally do anything for. You and I have spoken about this because neither of us have got sisters.

11:47 Yeah, and I've always, I'm intrigued by a. Sister. Relationship, yeah, and I mean, I've got beautiful sister in laws. Yeah, and I don't we don't use the in law. We always talk about that was like, you know, we're just we're just sisters. But it's different again to growing up with someone and having that relationship. But I often like I hear from people who've got sisters that's either one way or the other of like, you know, that amazing relationship or nut shit. And but yeah, I've always been jealous of that, to have that sister friendship relationship, you know that.

12:15 Yeah. Do your brothers have the friendship? That's like, like, more so than no, because you're like really close, like close with your family. So it's not like there's like, you know? My brothers, my two, my brothers get along really well, but I get along really well. We have we have individual relationships. The fact that you're a girl hasn't meant that you've been left out of any of that. Yeah, I I think my brother and I are pretty close as well. Yeah, I was a mate. What what was it called? A groom.

12:45 Groom's maid or something when he got married. So I was in his bridal party. I love that which was. Gorgeous. I loved that that was a a highlight and I felt so privileged to be a part of that. Yeah, he was part of Peter's wedding party when we got married, so. But yeah, yeah, I love that. Nice. And I guess in terms of my happiest moments, yeah, it's all related to family. Like definitely the kids being born, of course, that goes without saying. Absolutely. But then, you know, those big milestone events in life as well, like getting married and

13:23 buying a house and all of those kind of things like it. Just, yeah, getting to where we are today in those big milestone moments. Yeah, when I reflect on it, I think, oh, you know, we've actually done really well for us. Yeah, you've got beautiful family. Yeah, yeah. What is your favorite late night snack?

13:43 I'm a savory like a chip is my go to has been. Honey Sweet chicken chips. Yeah, they've got Meg's name written all over them. Red Rock Deli. Obviously Red Rock. Deli Yeah. Honey Soy chicken. Yeah, is. I know. Anytime we're having like a movie night or something at my place, that's what I get. I like them too. Don't get me. Wrong. They're fucking expensive so I don't buy them. Very often at all. Like if they go on special, they're in the car. Don't get me. But yeah, it's if they're not on special, no way like.

14:12 Treatment is definitely applied to them too, I feel like. Like they've got smaller, more expensive, yeah. Party pack thing like that, that'll last me a good few weeks. If that goes on special at a reasonable price, it's all good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, my, well, if I'm like watching a movie or something, I like a pod. You know those pods? I've known them in years. They used to do and they don't make them anymore. The Dove. Oh yeah, they definitely. I've never had those. They would. I like the Snickers and the the Twix version of those.

14:46 Yeah, I'm not a massive chip person, but I don't mind a chicken crimpy chicken. No, sorry. A chicken crinkle cut chip. Yep. Like a sample. Got to have the crinkle cut. Yeah, it is. It's about the texture. Totally. And the crunch, yeah. And like in terms of savory stuff, I mean, I do like a bit of cheese, a bit of blue cheese with crinkle cut whole. Thing Do you remember Ruffles? No. Were they in a white and blue packet? No. OK then. No, no. I feel like you might have been too young. There was only a small period of time.

15:19 No, but it was a small period of time when? And then they disappeared. Oh, OK. And you could still get them from America. Oh, right, yeah. But there was they were a crinkle cut. But here's the ADHD shit, yeah? Here we go. Here we go. The way they felt on your tongue was better, like real texture thing, but they were really a real fine crinkle. OK. I can still feel it. And did they come? Did they come in like all the good? Flavours. Yeah, yeah, all the. Good. Are you a salt and vinegar fan? No, I freaking love salt and vinegar.

15:52 I love vinegar though. Yeah, I know. I could drink vinegar straight from the bottle. I love it. That's just wrong. There's probably something wrong with me. I don't know, but I love vinegar. Like, Peter, I'll make a salad dressing, you know, from scratch. Yeah. And I put so much vinegar in it. And Peter's like, oh, I need more oil, more other flavour. You. Know the flavour. No, no, no balsamic vinegar or something or you know, like Yum I love it, but not white vinegar or something. It's I can do it in small doses.

16:23 Yeah, no. Love me a snack. Can't do something a chip No it like fully makes my face go funny it's. Part of its charm. Oh, it's it. Oh, yeah. Oh no, it makes you. Yeah, yeah. If you could stay any age for the rest of your life, or 26, why 26? I don't even know. I don't even know you, just I always if someone says to me how old are you, it's my brain just immediately goes 26. OK, I get that sentiment because I you know, when you think about yourself. Yeah. And you think so. For a long time I felt like I was 18.

16:56 Yep. And even when I was like 26 or 28 or something, I felt like I was 18 still. And then you see an 18 year old and you're like, Oh no, I actually have matured. Cool, cool, cool. For me, I don't know if I have for me, for me, I think 27 is my age. Yeah, right. But if I look back on me at 27, which is I got married that year, like lots of great things happened, but I'm thinking, and I'm not there yet, but I'm thinking 40 will be my age that I would want to be forever because I have become, I've changed.

17:31 Yeah. I've become a lot more mellow. You probably don't see that, but I was a very intense younger person or just very like, I don't know, I've always been that sort of Type A maybe bordering on anxious, you know, that sort of personality. I feel like I have mellowed a lot in the last in the last few I have. No, I no, I can totally say that. Yeah, I've mellowed in the last few years and I like the way that feels. Yeah, I also feel like I've I'm making different choices in the way I deal with things.

18:04 Like I'm choosing to be more calm about things. I'm choosing to be kind and not just be reactive. You don't have to choose to be kind. You don't know how to be any other way. I don't know about that. I'm a big. Tweet You know, behind closed doors when we chat.

18:19 But you are an incredibly kind person, very generous. That's not overly generous. I think sometimes you, it's like you don't need to like kind of thing. Like you've got to like look after yourself, you know, like and say no to. Something I think that's what I'm getting there. As I get older, yeah, I also give way less shits about what people think. Oh the the. Fuck. JAR has deployed. There is nothing left. Yeah, yeah. I think if we tried to start this podcast even five years ago, I don't know that I would have been able to do it because I concentrated.

18:46 But I would have been so worried about what people thought of me. And now I just could not care less. Yeah, no, I get that totally. Did you feel like that changed for you like around that 40 mark? Or there was so much going on for me around that 40 mark. Yeah, that also made me go not paying attention to any of this shit anymore. Like, so definitely. But whether that was turning 40 and look, a lot of it I think is about the maturity of yourself. But I think all of that happening was at this at that age for a reason.

19:12 Yeah. Because I was kind of confused. Is not who I am. And I don't want this anymore. Yeah. And I think that all of that is bumping up in that whole thing of like, you've become a certain age where you're like, I'm not going to give a fuck anymore. I need to be who I am. Yeah. Not what someone else wants me to be or. Yeah. Yeah. That. That's not working. Like, we've got to make changes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, put on you. Which now reflects. So proud of you for all of that. 6 was actually when I met someone, so yeah, interesting.

19:41 Interesting. Psychologically is there? Something going on there. Hold on. Do I need to go see my therapist? You can wait. She's in the room with me now. We'll. Delve into that later Mega over a glass of wine. Next question. Yeah, yeah. What's your go to board game? Ah well, Monopoly has been lately with the kids, but it's doing my head in and Monopoly takes. So fucking long, especially with kids because they're just. And the argument that ensues. Yeah. So actually I have We've invested in a game of Cluedo.

20:22 Cool. Over Christmas? Yep, I'm excited to see where that goes. OK, it's a game where I used to love that playing it when I was younger than I'm like, I'm hoping I can get the kids on board. Yeah, I reckon they love it. Yeah, I reckon they love it. But I do have like Tenzi is actually a big one for my family that we that's my, that's my go to. Like I want to play that. Trying to get the kids sometimes is a bit harder. Yeah, all of those games which you introduced me to, like Slapsy Tenzi, Yeah, Buildsy on Buildsy.

20:47 I freaking love Buildsy. It's so much fun. But so just when you were saying that, it reminded me of my brother and I when we were growing up and we used to play Uno. Yeah. And he'd cheat. He was a cheater. He's gonna, he's gonna be like, oh, I never played. He cheated. It was always, you know, it wasn't. I would never cheat. I am not a cheater. Yeah, but he would, I don't know, whatever. And we would end up like punching each other. So yeah, yeah, we played bullshit. If you ever played bullshit.

21:13 No. Oh, such a good guy. I just had this flashback of it was we were like kids playing that and camping and that. Yeah. And it's a game where you literally have a stack of cards and you, you say what you're putting, what you're putting down. And you might say I'm putting down to twos and you put them face down. But you might like pile those cards nice and neatly and actually put 4 cards down because the idea is to get rid of all your cards 1st and then, then everyone around you've got to like either go nut.

21:36 I reckon you've put something else down down like you know that calling it's bullshit and then you turn them over to see if they're if if they've called bullshit and they're right, you have to take your cards back or if not, you didn't, you didn't bullshit. You were spot on. You've put down what you said. They've they take the pile of cards. Love it. It's it's such a good game that used to cause lots of fights I bet. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. These days, I really like these. Peter actually got me this.

21:59 It was a really good present for, I can't remember. It was like birthday or Christmas, not that a few years ago. And now we sort of tend to buy them, but these are escape rooms in a, in the, in the form of a board game. So they're single use because generally you might have to cut things or whatever. And you've got a, you've got an hour usually. So love that there's a time limit on it. Yeah. And you've got to figure out all of the clues to get yourself out of the situation. They are so much fun.

22:23 And have a glass of wine and do that with a friend or a partner. Great fun. Really, really great fun. I want. To do an escape room. Oh yeah, we should definitely do an escape room the. Kids want to do one too, but I don't know if I could handle that. Oh. No, I don't know, but they do have kid friendly ones. OK, maybe we could handle that over the holidays and. Send them in and hope they don't come, I hope. They get looked in for at least long enough we. Could have another wine before they come out free.

22:47 Lunch or something? That sounds nice. Yeah, what was the make and model of your first car? I had a Ford Laser. God, it's such a story with this car. Oh my God. OK, greatest car ever because it was the shittest car, because it's all I could afford. I paid $600.00 for that car. Wow. And we lived on a street that had quite a nice hill on it. And so as I would drive down the hill, the seat wouldn't quite click in properly. And as I would go down the hill, I'd end up on the steering wheel and without fail, the other one was the, the visor like that wouldn't stay up.

23:23 I had Velcro on it to keep it up, you know, but the Velcro would come off and stuff because the, the glue wouldn't stick in a hot hot and it would. But every time I'd go in it, the visor would pull down in front of me as you're driving and he couldn't see where you're going. It's like trying to put the visor back up. I used to always there was a shit stereo in it. And so I put in the freaking stereo and it would have been worth more than the entire fucking car. I had one of those plate things that you'd pop off.

23:49 And then you'd take that with you. That way no one would just steal it. But. The thing is like, it was just the stereo bit the speakers were shit at. So like people would get in my car and I'd have the best music because I made all my own CDs, you know, great. But then so I'd be like, oh, awesome song, pump, pump it up, turn it up. And I'd be like sweet, open up the glove box so that the speaker was in there that it would be a bit louder. Oh, that's. Greatest car ever. But there's there's more to the story of that car.

24:16 Holy crap. So it got stolen. And I wonder if I could put this on air. Actually, yeah, because it got stolen and I reported it to the police. No sign of the car. Time goes on. Time goes on, time goes on. My friend happened to work at a McDonald's at the time and was like, we've got this car in our car park. It's been there for months. Keep ringing the cops. No one comes and gets this car. Like oh God, that's shit. Like my car is missing. Like haven't no ones found it anywhere? Like I'd be so annoyed like if that was my car.

24:50 Turns out it was my car. She's like yeah, I was like what kind of car is it? Also red Ford laser. You freaking kidding me? What's the number plate? Yeah, wow. My car. So yeah, anyway, got this phone call like eventually saying, you know, yeah, that you need to come and pick your car up. I'm like, well, they've been sitting there getting destroyed the whole time. So the cops had to pay me out for it like because it got more beat up whilst. Sitting. Yeah, at the McDonald's. Yeah, yeah. Oh God, yeah.

25:16 That car, I loved it, but I hated it all in. One, yeah, I had a 1990 Holden Barina beat the Barina, Yeah. And so I was born in 1985. My car was born in 19. 99 my car was a year. Young and I got it when I was 18. Yeah. And it had the hardest clutch known to man. I paid $1300.00 for the car the clutch knowing that the clutch would need to be replaced at some point. But it like I, I was walking in circles. My left leg was so strong from pushing this thing in. And I, I used to live near the police Academy in Victoria and it's on the top of a hill.

25:58 Yeah. And my car would not make it up the hill. So I used to have to go through the back streets and weave my way up slowly got slowly go up the hill because I couldn't go up the big hill on a time.

26:10 That's cool. It was such a it was I I loved the same. I loved that car, but I hated that car. It had no air conditioning, no power steering, nothing like. That steering, at least my power steering I was until I got into it. I didn't understand what no power steering meant because I got mine did, which was the weirdest thing of how shit this car was. But then my friend got a car and she asked me one day to drive it for her. And I'm like, well, hers was automatic. So like, where's mine was? Manual.

26:35 Yeah. Piece of piece to drive. Yeah. Got to a corner and tried to turn. I'm like, wait, hang on. Wait, what? We're not turning. Turn the wheel like 20 times just to go around the corner and yet get heaving it. Suddenly crashed into a fence like because I was like what the It's not turning the corner. Yeah. Yeah, that was. That's bizarre. Yeah. The no power steering people do not know how good. They're and it also had a manual choke. Oh. Yeah, yeah, I had days. No, they don't know days. I don't even know how to drive a manual.

27:00 Like I could literally get a manual tomorrow and drive it. I know it. I, when I bought my new car, which was certainly like 323, I don't even know, two or three years old, when we were looking for them, the guy was like, oh, So what model do you want? And yeah, going through that and he's like, oh, your options are the automatic whatever, however many liter, and the manual, however many liter. I don't know. They made them. They do $5000 more expensive. Yeah. Yeah, because they mustn't make many of them.

27:27 But why would they even have the option? Even though I didn't, I'm sure they don't even have the option many Times Now. See that? See that diesel or petrol's have your options. Not, yeah, not or like, dramatic. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. What sports did you play when you were growing up? I played many, many, many sports. Literally, if you named a sport, I would have had a go at it. Like I was very just into having a go at sports. What? Were your favorites. So I played a lot of netball. I played hockey like they were probably the main one.

28:00 You're a good rower. Not rowing, Kayaking. So I kayaked pretty extensively throughout secondary school. Yeah. Through school and stuff, yeah. But volleyball was another one. We did diving at one stage.

28:14 Yeah. Like anything and everything. Yeah. Yeah. I had to go to a lot of sports, but yeah, netball was my. I love playing netball. Yeah, yeah. I loved playing netball too, but I wrecked my knees playing it, so I it's not like I continued on. But the other day I went and watched our friend's daughter's grand final, netball, grand final and fuck, I'm like, I just want to get back out there and play netball. That's yeah, we'll see. I love watching the kids play basketball. Like I played basketball as well, but I love watching the basketball.

28:42 But I'm kind of like, I don't know how I'd go watching netbook 'cause I think the white line fever. Be even worse it was bad it was bad yeah I'm like I just wanna get out there yeah I. Played right up until like we had like a mixed team and stuff like, you know, in 20s and that sort of stuff I loved. Playing. Yeah, I played through my knees machine. That was it. Yeah, 'cause my knees were so bad and. Then I fucked my shoulders doing the kayaking so just ruined from head to toe. Aren't you though?

29:06 My real My favorite sport that I ever played though, was tennis. Yeah, I. Bloody love tennis. We used to just play Giants tennis. What's Giant tennis? So year 12 you had to do sport. Like it wasn't like a subject. You just in your timetable, you know, at our school you had to include sport. It was just part of the school's, you know, yeah, moral stuff, like anyway, so you just rock up and they, the PA teacher wouldn't even like really watch what you're doing. But you had to pick one of the sports that was on offer and go and do it.

29:33 Like, and so we would always grab tennis rackets and we'd head to the tennis court instead of like playing on one court, 'cause there were four courts, right? We'd play over the fence between the the 2 girls, 2 courts and two courts. And you play over the the fence and play giants tennis. So you're just lobbing the. Ball. Oh, totally. Yeah, that's the best one. We used to love playing that. Past the time, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had exercise for the week. Yeah, that's it. That's all it really that is.

29:59 Yeah. What position do you sleep in? I was only talking about this recently with someone that I do a real weird one and that apparently it's maybe ADHD linked. Here we go again. Go on. OK, so I have what? And I've only just learned this. What's called is a Flamingo, but it's it's like so that so one leg down, one leg length, like length, weight long. Yep. Long one leg bent. Yep, up. And then my but my stomach is like on the mattress. Yeah, yeah. And so on the side and turned and twisted. Yep. But Flamingo.

30:30 And there's a particular name for the whole thing does. Your does your arm. Where are your arms? Or do the little T Rex arms. OK, OK, I get that. I've. I think that sometimes I sleep like that. When I was in high school, I broke my collarbone. Yeah. And so I could only sleep on my back. And now I actually sleep on my back, like almost all the time. Weird. I know. I know it's weird. And I know, like, does it. I think like makes me a psycho or something. Yeah, if you Google. It it does, yeah. Serial killer?

31:04 Absolutely. Yeah. But more often than not, I sleep on my back. Right, I did not notice about you. I know you don't come across as someone you're not outwardly fuck wit. No, but in terms about in the in the comfort of my own bed, yeah, I am. Psychopath. Yeah. In our midst, do you know? What's your favorite wine? Wet.

31:41 I'm into a Pinot Grigio at the moment. Yeah, you are not a Pinot Grigio. Yeah, yeah. If I was buying something for you, I'd buy a Pinot Grigio. Yeah, that's probably where I'm at at the moment. Yeah, I'm leaning like I'm I'm. Trying so hard to get you into a car tonight. Yeah, but it's not happening. I'm feeling like though by winter I might be into red. Yeah, we've got to start with a Pinot A. Lot yeah, yeah. I, I, I've always I have previously really liked red wine. Yeah. And then not, not never not didn't like it.

32:11 It just wasn't my choice. Yeah, but I'm really kind of enjoying a good red. Yeah, so last Friday we went to a winery. Yeah, for lunch with a really great group. Of people. Awesome, I love that. A great group of mums from school and one of the mums in our group bought a substantial amount of wine. From her mum? Pardon from her mum was it? She just kept saying she reminded her of her mom. From her You mean the tasting lady Heather or whatever her name was? Yes, Okay, sorry I missed what you were saying there.

32:43 And anyway, we then had lunch at this winery and it was absolutely like the best lunch I've had in a really long. So we named the winery because they were very generous. They were Levantine Hills in the Yarra Valley in Victoria. They were awesome. Anyway, so we've had our lunch. A few people bought a few bottles of wine, but one of our friends bought plenty. Anyway, we're sitting outside having a cheese platter and the last glass of wine before we were due to leave. You know, it's a hard life, guys.

33:10 It's a really hard life. Yeah. And the our friend who'd bought all the wine, she was like, oh, come in. The lady wanted to see us all. And we're like, OK, go. So we walk inside and she's like, the chairman wanted to gift you all a bottle of wine. And we were like, oh, chairman, it's my new best friend. Yeah. And I think you've got a bottle of peanut wine. Right. So I'll come and help you. Well, I may have actually given that away, but to someone who deserved it. OK, Very much so. OK, good. Yeah, Yeah.

33:40 That's. Good. It's gone to good. It has. Well, you can. Come in because. It was a very nice bottle and I was like, I feel like very nice. Was it? Yeah. And the thing was I was kind of like, I mean, I could sit at home and drink that. No, no worries. That's fine. But is that really fine? Yeah. Well I appreciate it to the point this needs to be worth. Also said like it's because it's such a good quality you can sell it for up to 25. Years which I didn't tell that to that person that I gave it to, which I showed.

34:04 Anyway, so yes, we will get you into Pinot Noir, yeah, and I will at some point get you into Chardonnay. The Chardonnay we had at Levantine was. Nice. That was I could. Drink very that was. Also $200 a bottle so. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, I don't like anything. That's expensive. Yeah. My my favorite is like a French champagne. Come at me any day. Yeah. I love a rose. Yeah. On a hot summer's day. An ice cold Rosie. Yeah. Dry rose. Yeah. I cannot stand anything with any sweetness. No. So like, we've got a Yeah, we've got.

34:41 I cannot even the smell of them turn nice. To make the smell. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I went out to dinner with that person on that same day and there's a lot of drinking in that day. And I convinced her to get a bottle of actually, I convinced her on a Semyon Sav to try. And it's still. No, no, not at all. It's not my favorite either. But because we're gonna share a bottle, I wasn't going Moscato. Oh, no. And I don't think. And I couldn't get her as far over as a, a pedigree or even a, you know, that sort of thing.

35:08 That was OK Well, if we can go in the middle. Yeah. This will be a little bit sweet for you. And she, she was OK with that. Yeah. Yeah. Good. OK, We're, we're we're we're slowly moving things.

35:19 What are your favorite podcasts to listen to? This was a This was a question from a fan. Oh OK, Favorite podcasts? Well, top of the list has got to be the podcast Gods Christie and Lauren over at True Crime Cocktails. I bloody love them. So Lauren Ash was on Superstore. She played Dina funniest all get out. She's great. Her she and her cousin Christie started true crime and cocktails, I think in 2020. Yeah and I that's what I found them during lockdown for sure. And I think it was pretty early on in in their run when I found them and I'm like they are so funny and their rapport is amazing and I love the way they.

36:01 So generally speaking, Christie researchers and presents the cases and and Lauren will like comment on it, but I love they're all on the same wavelength. Yeah, funny and totally worth a a listen. And, like, their banter actually is like, I think half their show, basically, and I'll just listen to that. Yeah. Like, the crime stuff's great, really good. But they're banters. Other people I know, like, complain about it because their crime stuff's so good, too. Yeah, that they're like, I'll just get past that.

36:29 I wanna get the crime. But I can listen to all of it. Love it. I piss myself when I listen. To them the episodes like. Three hours long. Yeah. Because they're banter, Yeah, it's so good. You're right, they're they're awesome. Yeah, to me, it brings a whole lot of stuff that I love together. Like, yeah, yeah. So because I mean, I love a variety of podcasts, not just true crimes, but like for me that is not just true crime. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. I also love No Filter. Yeah, Mamma Mia. They it's a interview style podcast and I love the way she interviews.

36:59 So Mia Friedman's the interviewer and she's amazing. Like she just rolls with things and she's usually so well prepared. I love the question questions that she asks. I'm like, Oh yeah, that's what I would want to know. Yeah, that's the question I had in my head for that. Person. Yeah, she's very good at that. And also another Mamma Mia podcast that I love if you want something really light to listen to is cancelled. Yes, so twin sisters host the podcast and they choose somebody to cancel each week and it is so fucking funny.

37:27 But there was one about they cancelled Ariana Grande in one of the episodes and they cancelled because because she thinks she's little. Like it was just so it's really funny. It's very lighthearted and great because. Anyway, because Ariana Grande think she's little. Because the host think she's little. No, because she thinks Ariana Grande thinks she's. Yeah, right. And she makes herself little and she loves being carried around like a little baby. And it's just very funny the way they talk about it.

37:53 Yeah. And then I also love like, podcasts, like, like ABC's conversations. Yeah, I, you know, there's always really interesting topics and things on that. Yeah, I love a good like quick like rundown of like Daily News. Yep. Like there's a a squeeze one of that that I love a daily squeeze one that's really good just to get the the headlines. Yeah, in like 10 minutes. That's great. Yeah, Yeah. Cool, no, I wish I had more time to listen to podcasts honestly. Have you told though, that since we've started doing this, you can listen to less podcasts because we're you're generally researching in the time that you used to listen?

38:26 Definitely. Yeah, I'm kind of, I miss some of my, yes, regular ones that does it. Literally just going, God, what do I normally listen to now? Because yeah, I'm not listening to as many anymore. I've listened. To we don't have time. No, no. Yeah, but it's, it's a, a positive shift, Yeah, so. That kind of leads into a question I have a little bit down the down the track, yeah, but so I'll ask it now, but how do you go about researching for our podcast? Yeah, OK. Mine keeps changing. Like I think I've worked, worked out how I'm going to do things, but then I keep changing.

38:57 Is it case dependent? No, I think it's like mood depends, right? So I like to think I'm organized, but I'm really actually, really not deep down, but. You are. I look like I am. It's like a duck on water. The whole thing's going on down the bottom. Yeah. So it's messy. It's getting. And I'm actually finding what stupid is. The messier I am about it, the better I am. Maybe that's how your brain retains the information. Just have to lean into that. I don't want to, I want to be, I want to be neat and tidy about it, but the messier I am, it's actually working and I just have to roll with it because originally, like I bought the notebook and I was going to keep all my notes in the book and that's just doesn't happen.

39:40 I write notes on my phone. I. Got my notebook but it. Is pages just random pages because I type things or I cut and paste things or I because I'm someone who just if I read it, I know it? I'm the same. So I don't actually need the notes, but if I don't have them then I don't know it anymore. Like it's weird when that works, I don't know. I'm I try so at the start of the week, so we record on a Friday and then literally whatever we've just recorded goes straight out of my mind. So much so that sometimes I will listen to our podcast, which might come out two or three weeks later and be like, oh, I forgot that detail.

40:16 I didn't know that. Yeah, I knew it obviously, because I said it. It's. Like listening to two completely different people. It is telling us the story because yeah, I don't remember it then. Yeah. I don't know how we do it, but we complete like both of us empty our minds of it. And then usually I'll give myself the Saturday to not do anything. Yeah. And then I start researching on the Sunday. That's the next case, start my weekly, like if I'm doing like my housework, usually I do, that's usually a Sunday job and so that's fine.

40:43 But if it's a Saturday, I will. So I'll pop a podcast in. Like that's sometimes how I'll start depending on the case of what I already know about it. Sure. Sometimes I like to orientate myself with a podcast on the topic just to kind of go, Oh yeah, they're the main points. And then I'll research from there. Yeah, yeah. Other other times, if I know the case a little bit already, I'll I'll have already a point I want to enter from. Yeah. And I'll research first. So it just depends. It's sort. Of a bit like that too yeah usually I'll start with a podcast same to get to re familiarize myself with the case yeah or to familiarize myself with the case if I don't know much about it and then I'm a note taker so I write and write and write so some of our cases I will have 10 or 15 pages of handwritten notes but I'm the same once I've written it down I can remember it yeah so if I didn't write it down and just listen to it I actually wouldn't remember it I. Did write the audio will go in like that which I'm learning, yeah.

41:39 That it does, yeah. Yeah. Anyway. And then, I mean, we try not, we don't script anything. So we talk from memory most of the time. Like normally when it comes to recording, I will compress my notes into dot points and it'll just be like dates and names and things that I don't necessarily remember on the fly. And then, yeah, that's where things together. It works well with you and I that we've worked out that you're the dates person. Yeah, you remember that stuff. And I'm just like the I'm the bits in between.

42:13 Yeah. And you've always got really interesting stuff that you've found. Like I love the tact that you take and I like it that we've generally got something different to bring to the table. Like there are often recordings where I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. Like we, you know, we recorded an episode today and there was a bit at the end where I was like, oh, there you go. I didn't actually know that piece of information. And I'm sure same happens. Yeah. Other way around, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

42:36 You pull out stuff that I'm like, Oh my God, what the hell Did you find that? Because I feel like I I looked everywhere.

42:42 All right, next question. What TV series could you watch several times? I know yours. Yeah, you know mine. Yeah, Soprano is for sure, and I'm trying to watch it again myself actually, but I'm struggling. This is a time thing. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I could watch it again and again. I can't because I remember them like too well. And I think that's my issue. I kind of like get through, get to episodes and kind of go, I've I've seen this, I already know this. Yeah, I do like to watch things once. OK. Unless, yeah, I don't know, I can recite shows, I think, after I've watched it once.

43:19 And therefore, like, I've realized how bad I am with The Simpsons, with that. Yeah. Like, I haven't watched them since I was a kid in the 90s. And the boys have just got into it. And I hear in the background and I hear myself, you know, like, my head and my shoulder. Yeah.

43:34 And I'll say it before the show says it. Like, you know, them and their boys are like constantly. Like, how did I was going to say that? Like, because I watched it in 1993. Yeah. Last century. Yeah, as I keep reminding me, yeah. Yeah, I love that. What an amazing yeah. What was your favorite subject in school?

43:54 Psychology. OK, yeah. Wished I'd pursued that more. Really. Yeah, you would have been great actually. Yeah, really good like that. Yeah, I should have probably, but yeah, didn't have the balls too. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's hard, isn't? It. Well, I didn't think I'd get the scores to do it. Yeah, I was convinced I was stupid. Lots of reasons. Yeah, No, I genuinely thought that I was. I would have got a very pathetic score and wouldn't have got. I didn't think I was going to get to university. I didn't think I was smart at all.

44:23 Yeah. So smart. No, because there'd been some tests done. Like there are some assessments I'd had that had indicated that I couldn't comprehend information and things. Yeah, it all comes together later in life when you come to go. Oh, that's why. So I have dyslexia, you know, so reading's not my favorite thing to do, like, honestly, but it, it actually is when I know how to do it. Now that I've learnt things about myself over time, and I know how to do it in a way that works, I actually am a very good reader and I can read things very well.

44:53 But it's. Yeah. And then comprehending it, it's expressing it sometimes, Yeah. I don't know what the goal is. My brain works in a very different level. Yeah. But yeah, I was convinced I was very unintelligent and not going to get a score that would get me into any university course. So then I yes, so I didn't. Apply for Yeah. Those sorts of courses which I should have because the score. Would you ever, would you ever go back and study now as a mature age? Student, if I had them, all the money in the world to be able to do that, yeah, absolutely.

45:19 Yeah, I'd go back and do psychology in a second. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that would be, yeah. Child psychology, I think. Yeah, Yeah. Actually, yeah, you would be. That would combine the two things. Yeah, I think so. But then again, psychopaths get me too. Yeah, you know. How about you? Mine science for sure high school was science yeah and I liked I I actually loved school yeah, I was What were you like at school? I was a total nerd and I was so such a strady 180 like I never did anything bad never.

45:58 I was such a goody 2 shoes. I like always applied myself. I was like, you know, my, my school reports always said Emory's such a conscientious student or, you know, all that stuff. And yeah, I just love school. I loved going to school. I loved being with my friends, but I also loved like the academic side of things. Yeah. Yeah, I just love school and then uni. For me though, like I studied biomedical science at university and I didn't love it. Like I I loved my course, actually, I loved doing the course, but I didn't love the university experience that I loved.

46:42 Yeah, like there was some fun things and I met some lovely people, but I was really sort of keen, I think to get out into the workforce. Like, I was really eager to just be done with study. Right and just. Going to do something? Like I just felt. Like I don't. Know the social aspect of of university I loved like yeah, it wasn't it certainly wasn't an academic thing that I loved about uni like yeah I enjoyed it but yeah it wasn't my jam really. I think I annoyed people because as much as I thought I was really unintelligent, I could just get marks without really trying much.

47:17 Not I didn't have to do the hard studying, like madly to get a pass, you know? Yeah, So like, I didn't do it. He's. Get degree. He gets degree with my my absolute theory the entire way through. Yeah, yeah. It's the same piece of paper. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, people. Yeah. But I loved uni and the lifestyle it was. I could have done that forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is your most used emoji on your phone? Laughing emoji thing. I think I got told recently. Yeah, I think I got told by my niece, though apparently that doesn't mean that and that I. Shouldn't.

47:53 What does it mean? I don't know. Do you know what? The thumbs up can actually mean like the rude thing. Yeah, OK, I know. I'm just gonna go into my phone and check mine. I got told because it comes. Yeah, I got told how to use the dead emoji instead of my laughing one. Oh, OK, so my most used or my most recent ones, you know how it comes up is the :) with the love hearts around it. Oh yeah. I think if you looked in my brother's phone, it'd be the eggplant, because he seems to send that to me. Well, that's weird all the time.

48:25 It's weird that your brother's sending of that.

48:30 And I'm also quite partial to the hands up like the oh praise you sort of emoji isn't a high. 5 like. A no, no, the high 5's a different 1. And I also like the the clapping hands emoji, like, you know. Oh yeah, well done, you and the fire. I thought that was like praise. Thank you. No. No, no, not the praying one. The one that's like, ah, like 2 hands up. Yeah. Oh yeah. Go you. Oh no, I thought it was a hype. Like hands up, No, that's not. No, there is a high 5-1, isn't there? I don't know, I misunderstand emojis.

48:58 Like we are not we are not in the right generation for this question. I don't. Think no. Well, I mean are emojis dead or what? Oh are they? I don't know. I use this the hand slap one in my face a lot too. Oh. OK, I don't really use that one. Yeah, well, it's probably just the life I lead the. I should have known that. Yeah, that one's up there. Oh, and the champagne glasses. Oh, yeah. Oh, I do use that a fair. Bit we do actually in between us, that's probably our most used in our group conversation.

49:28 Yeah, in our one. Yeah. All right. Next one, what gives you the ick? Wait, how long have we got?

49:39 This is actually going way longer than I thought it was going to go so. Oh, God, it has to. Yeah. Oh, God, what's OK? There's so many things. So many, it depends on the it's person specific, I think. Yeah, in a lot of ways. Are we talking Ick just don't want to be your friend or ick don't want to be? Like would just like. It could even be, I don't know, a thing that gives you the ick. People eating with their mouth open gets me. Yeah, every time. Yeah, but I mean a guy on an elliptical, of course that gives me the ick.

50:17 That whole action. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, why that one's? Really. What about like blokes in bike shorts? Totally. You need to wear a modesty short over the top. Modesty. Short. Does Peter wear a modesty short? Of course he does. I would not let him go out wearing his Knicks. He's quite partial to a cycle. But yeah, I know he absolutely wears like a courtesy short over the top of his bike shorts. Thank you. You're welcome. Oh, no. But he, I he wouldn't go out without it either. No. You know how there are just certain people that kind of give you the ick, like I was telling you before about somebody who, like this guy walks past my house like a lot of times in a day, and there's just something about him that gives me the ick.

51:05 Like it just. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know specifically what it is, but yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. It's always, it can be very specific to that person. Yeah, that someone else doing that wouldn't bother me. But yeah, the elliptical 1 gets me. I cannot. Write one. I'm with you on that one. Yeah. All right. This one's a little more podcast related. Yeah. So what made us want to start a podcast? OK. Are we just. Yeah, we just sort of like we're all into podcasts individually. I'm sharing ones we're listening to.

51:39 Yeah. And then it was just kind of like, we should do that. But we'd be good at that. We'd be good at that. Yeah, we've got lots to say. We certainly have a lot of opinions on everything. Lots of things. And the other thing is, like, I feel like our opinions mostly align. Like we, we chat when we were chatting about things, like we'd feel the same way, but then we'd also sometimes have things where we're like, oh, no, we're like totally discrepant in terms of like what we were thinking. And we're like, oh, that could actually be interesting to listen to.

52:08 Yeah. And we also felt like we had like a bit of a a fresh take on how we would approach it too. So do an unscripted, yeah, do the back and forth banter and just try and be like natural, I don't know, a bit more natural with it. Yeah. Which is what we like listening to. Yeah. And I mean, we've got ideas of maybe others that we could. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah, we, we had, when we first started, we, we actually weren't going to do a true crime podcast. So we've actually got an idea for another type of podcast which we may bring to people at some point if we can find the time to produce 2 podcasts.

52:46 In a week. Well, that's the thing, yeah. That would be a lot of work. It would be. It would have to mean that we're at a point where. This was our job. That's. What we did, yeah. So if anyone wants to sponsor us any. Fun that. Yeah, please. We'd be up for that. We're happy to negotiate salaries. Yeah, the workload for this alone is enough at the moment. Yeah, I couldn't fit in another one. No, even sometimes with this, I'm like, even last night I was up until so late just finishing off the research and yeah.

53:18 Yeah, I know. It's yeah. If I can't space space it out over the week, that Thursday night before a Friday record can be very late night. Very late night, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, to try and find all of that. Absolutely. Final question for today's episode comes from producer Pete. And it's. Actually, not even a question. Oh, I'm intrigued. His favorite part of our episode, Oh God, is that in pretty much every episode. Clap. It's the clap. Oh, he does like the clap, but the favorite, his favorite part of the episode is that pretty much every week we call someone a piece of shit and he's like, can you, can you guys please give me your best piece of shit?

53:59 Then we need to put on AT shirt. Yeah, go. OK, what a piece of shit. And Peter also likes someone to go Oh.

54:10 You're good at your disgust total. Disgust. Yeah, what a total piece of shit. You're welcome, Peter. That the other one that we say a lot is love. That love. That love that. We do say that a lot. Someone actually I noticed in one of our comments on, I think it was on Spotify, someone actually wrote love that. And I'm like, Oh yeah, they've totally picked up on this. Yeah. But we, I love that. Yeah, take the piss. You do that, yes. We bring on the trolls. I'm a bit disappointed we don't have enough.

54:43 We've had a few, but nothing spicy. Bring it, bring it, love it. Yeah, keep, keep going with the nice comments. Really. No, no. We love those. So much joy. Love that. Love that it, it really is motivating and keeps us like wanting to wanting to keep going with us for. Sure it makes it worthwhile like those late Thursday nights yeah stuff yeah that you kinda go OK well people are listening and people are enjoying this then I can do that yeah yeah cuz I mean I enjoy research don't get me wrong like it's it is like we do it because we love.

55:14 It I mean, if we didn't. Want to do it? We just wouldn't do it. Action. Project. Yeah, yeah. Oh, trust me, my brain can turn off and not do it if I don't want to do it. Yeah, sometimes when I don't want it to do that. Yeah, I. Hear, I hear. All right. Did you have any burning questions that you wanted to ask? I'm putting you on the spot now. Putting me on the spot, no. No, all done. Yeah, I think the brain's fried. Do you know what I need? Coffee a. Wine A. Mimosa Mimosa at our favorite cafe after we record.

55:43 Yeah, every Friday after we record, we go up to the local cafe and they have $8 mimosas all day, every day. They know us now. They know us. They're like so wine and we're like, I literally order the same thing pretty much and they know my order. Yeah, you mix it up a bit. I'm. Just wondering now if they've got that, those focaccias happening now that he was talking about last week. Oh. Yeah, that was OK that. Yeah, totally. You know what, Let's go it, let's do it. Sorry guys, but. Welcome to join.

56:13 Cheers, you can join us. Fridays.

56:17 All right. Thanks everybody for listening. Our regular scheduled programming will be back next week and yeah, we'll be releasing weekly episodes again from there on out, so. Plan. Keep an eye out on our socials and you can see what we're about to drop, which episodes we're about to drop, and contact us if there's anything else you want to know because we will be doing QA episodes, I think sporadically throughout the year as well. Cool. And yeah, like let us know what else you want. What do you, what do you want from us?

56:45 Yeah. Which cases give us cases? I love it when people give us case suggestions. Oh God, yeah. Now they go straight on that list and we, and The thing is, we don't just like work down the list. We we hunting down the list and pick and choose our stuff. So what? Are we feeling like next week? Oh, no, There was too much murder. We might do like, something else. Yeah.

57:04 Do I feel mentally able to cover? Yeah. You know, something more? Heavy something someone asked me of like why hadn't we done a certain case yet? But you know, I was like, we wanted to do that one, but it was too similar in some ways of like. And that was a really, if we've had a really full on mental load case, yeah, doing 1 again, following it up can be a bit hard. So we do try and mix it up for our own mental health. Yeah. As well as. Because I know this come off the back of some recording some episodes, and you really do feel it, Yeah.

57:33 There's a couple that hit pretty hard. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. All right. All good. Thanks everybody for listening and yeah, we'll see you next week. See ya. Stay curious, CRAN besties.