Episode 57: Gable Tostee

0:15 Welcome back to Crime Besties. Here we are for another episode.

0:18 How are you today, Meg? I'm.

0:20 Good this week, how about you? Are you feeling a bit better

0:22 than last week or last time we spoke?

0:24 Yeah, yeah. You're feeling like tired and

0:28 lethargic and all of the things. That sounds pretty standard.

0:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mum life.

0:33 Yeah, oh mum, life, work, life, all that.

0:35 Yeah, it's been a full on week. But no, we've actually had no

0:39 footy now and also one of the boys got to buy this weekend for

0:43 basketball. So our week for the sports stuff

0:45 midweek has been one training session and I cannot tell you

0:50 the. Luxury of it.

0:52 I'm actually, I'm feeling I'm coming into the weekend ahead of

0:55 schedule on the laundry. You know, like I've just managed

0:58 to get all these little jobs done in the evenings that don't

1:01 get done because we're piss fighting around everywhere doing

1:04 all the the after school sports situations.

1:07 So I'm actually feeling somewhat as much as it's been a chaotic

1:11 week and a crazy week in work life sort of more so.

1:15 But in my in this stuff, I'm like feeling quite ready for a

1:18 cruisy weekend. Nice.

1:20 I love that for you. I love that for you.

1:22 You would. Have had still at least two lots

1:24 of training sessions. Yeah, but that was OK.

1:28 It still meant we had two less than we than we normally do.

1:31 So that was lovely one. Of those being the Friday night

1:33 Which? Delighted to be done with the

1:36 Friday night. I love that even my eldest son,

1:38 he's like oh get my Fridays back.

1:41 Yeah, 'cause it's so onerous on you to go and kick the footy

1:43 with your mates while your brother.

1:44 Trains. Oh God, he's just not that kid.

1:47 He's like, oh, just get tired of sitting in the car with my iPad.

1:53 Oh. Yes, yes.

1:54 No. I'm very, very happy that the

1:56 footy season's over and we're down to 1 sport again, no.

1:59 Look, I mean I've I've loved watching the footy this season

2:01 from both the Littles and the big.

2:04 They've both been great to watch and be part of, but I'm really

2:08 ready to have a bit more time back.

2:09 Yeah, it's just a a different, a change of pace.

2:12 A change of pace, definitely. Yeah.

2:14 We're recording this episode a week later than we first

2:17 intended because we lost our dog this week or last Friday, a week

2:21 ago today. So we've had a bit of a sad week

2:24 and it's taken us all like, Oh my gosh.

2:26 I mean, it all kind of happened so quickly.

2:28 I think I mentioned in one of the.

2:31 Previous the week before. Yeah, that's, she'd received a

2:36 cancer diagnosis and it just progressed very, very quickly.

2:40 And it got beyond to the point where we were able to do

2:42 anything at all aside from what eventuated.

2:46 So yeah, it was really, we've had a really sad week.

2:50 And it's, I mean, animals are part of your family.

2:53 She's been around since before both kids were born.

2:56 And I mean, you guys have probably heard her 1000 times in

2:59 episodes with the barking. You know, she's just, she's

3:02 very, very much missed. It's it's, it's a really weird

3:07 thing coming home and not having her sort of greeting you at the

3:10 door and just, you can feel that she's not here.

3:13 She's not in the house. It's a.

3:15 I'm just feeling odd here that we won't know when the parcels

3:17 are being delivered. You know, and all those probably

3:18 not the worst. Thing no, but it is it's awful.

3:23 I just yeah, they are. There's so much they're they're

3:25 another child in your family and.

3:28 It's really hard and for for the boys, it's really the first

3:31 significant loss they've had in their lives, which you know, is

3:35 lucky in some ways, but it's also a massive life life lesson

3:39 for Lucas, who's only 8. I feel like it's taken him a lot

3:43 to sort of process and get. Yeah, they're probably still

3:46 processing it to. I fully understand it all.

3:49 Yeah. I mean, we don't.

3:51 I mean, death's so hard to comprehend.

3:53 It's so abstract. No matter what, It's so fine

3:55 when you go through it. Yeah, Yeah.

3:57 Oh, here we, he will be, he will get there.

4:00 But it's, I mean, she's always gonna be part of your life.

4:02 And that's right. I love that, you know, you've

4:03 got all those great memories and, and things that you'll

4:06 always have of her. And yeah, yeah, she's very

4:09 special. She was such a beautiful girl.

4:11 Yeah. So that's been our week, really.

4:14 It's been, yeah, just sort of getting used to what's now the

4:18 new normal at home and, and all of that sort of stuff.

4:22 So lots of tears and lots of sadness, but also, as you said,

4:27 lots of happy memories 'cause she was such an amazing dog.

4:30 Like she, you know, she was here when we brought both boys home

4:33 from hospital and we were looking at through all of the

4:36 photos of that. And she was so protective when

4:38 they were little. Yeah.

4:39 She wouldn't leave their sides. You know, we've got photos of

4:42 her like sitting next to their little rockers or sitting lying

4:45 next to their cots. So yeah, she was.

4:47 She was gorgeous. Yeah, that's the best.

4:49 I mean, you know, you gotta think of it in that way of like

4:52 how special it's been to have her as part of the family and

4:54 they know what she's meant to you all.

4:55 And you know, they're here for a reason.

4:58 And yeah, and it's sad they're not here longer with us.

5:00 Why? Can't they live a lifespan?

5:02 We do, and I was. Saying to you, that was the one

5:04 drawback of the breed of dog that I got was it really made me

5:07 hesitate in terms of getting that breed of dog, even though

5:10 it ticked all the boxes and everything, every other aspect.

5:12 But he unfortunately being such a big dog has a shorter lifespan

5:16 than the most even. And so you kind of just hope

5:18 that they outlive any of those possibilities.

5:22 So, you know, but that, that's the thing, that's the worst bit

5:24 of it all, is that they don't live as long as us.

5:27 And that's it's it. But yeah, they, they're here for

5:30 all those right reasons when they're here.

5:32 Yeah, I know all those movies, you know, they do those, there's

5:35 those movies where like, you know, the, the dog spirit will

5:37 like come into another dog spirit.

5:39 You know, they have another family and bring that family,

5:42 the joy. They've brought another family.

5:43 And I was like, those movies just bring me to tears so bad.

5:46 Like it's 'cause it really they are.

5:48 I mean, as I've said to you, every family needs a dog because

5:51 how love is not completely unconditional.

5:54 Yeah. Whereas the dog's love is.

5:56 And I mean, I remember growing up my, one of my, my brothers

5:59 particularly was drawn to the dog.

6:00 And he would, you know, get in trouble at, you know, and

6:02 everything. And then he'd be outside seeing

6:04 with the dog, telling the dog, well, it's his troubles.

6:06 You know, like so many images of him sitting on the back step

6:09 talking to the dog about. He must have been in trouble a

6:11 lot. Oh yeah.

6:14 Yeah. And you know, every kid needs

6:16 that, you know, because sometimes we are not having our

6:18 best day and that the dog becomes that person or that

6:22 thing that they can go to and and invent and have those

6:25 moments with that. You know, they they listen.

6:27 They listen every time. Yeah.

6:30 Yeah. So they are amazing to have in

6:32 your family. Yeah.

6:33 Yeah. Very much, yeah.

6:36 Yeah. Oh, gosh, it's, it's yeah.

6:39 But that's OK. It's part of all part of it.

6:42 And we were lucky to have her for the time that we did.

6:45 So yeah, she, yeah, she was great.

6:48 Absolutely. I'm gonna dedicate this episode.

6:51 Totally, yes. Yes to Luna, Yeah.

6:55 So what else has been going on for you this week?

6:57 I I had a 40th over the weekend. Now I was telling you this story

7:03 because Oh my God. OK, so I had a few drinks.

7:09 There were some shots, I mean. And let's just remember here,

7:12 you've already had your 40th. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

7:15 You've forgotten that, I think. I think, I think I did well.

7:18 I was dropping it like it was hot and.

7:22 I love someone said now that I'm over 40 I need to drop it like

7:25 it's mildly lukewarm rather than dropping it like it's hot.

7:29 Well, I've learned that lesson the hard way because we got home

7:32 and it was not a late, late night.

7:34 I think we were home by like 1. But late enough.

7:37 Yeah, late enough. I got into bed and I was, you

7:41 know, mildly inebriated. I get into bed and I fell off to

7:44 sleep. Fine.

7:45 Yeah. I woke up at like 3:30 in the

7:47 morning and my knees. As in like the drunkness, then

7:51 obviously when I'm. Obviously worn off and my knees

7:54 were absolutely killing me. Called over 40 knees Oh.

8:00 My God, I didn't realize it would change on a diet.

8:03 Totes just downhill from. Here it's all the inflammation.

8:06 I don't even know, but for days later I'm like my knees.

8:09 I just cannot do this anymore. No dropping it like it's hot.

8:13 Not anymore. It's done.

8:15 Yeah. So I'm learning these lessons

8:16 the hard way. Obviously, I don't know if I'll

8:19 actually learn my lesson. I'll let you know next time I go

8:21 to a party. But.

8:23 Yeah. Yeah, that was that was.

8:25 I mean, it was such a fun night. I love it.

8:28 Oh yeah. I bet you had a great time.

8:30 Yeah, absolutely. But poof, felt it for a few days

8:33 later those. Knees don't quite hold up no

8:34 more. And then I was, I was the

8:37 following morning I had, I was the trainer for Ollies footy

8:41 team and I reckon I had to run out onto the.

8:44 Fold like it's just. Four or five times.

8:47 Murphy's Lord every other game you don't have to do anything.

8:49 Yeah. And our runner who's one of the

8:51 dads on our team, he like a kid went down and I was like running

8:55 over there thinking I was doing really well.

8:56 Well, he's like flown past me. Like my knees.

9:00 Oh, my knees. Yeah, I can't run that.

9:02 The Voltar hasn't kicked in. Yeah, that's right.

9:05 Oh, I hadn't even smashed an anti-inflammatory at this point,

9:07 but I'm like, I'm going to need to because I'm not going to be

9:10 able to get out there or something bad happened.

9:12 Got to get on that horse gel. Yeah, I think the horse gel, oh,

9:15 that horse gel is great. It is so good.

9:17 Yeah, I. Love it.

9:21 Oh yes. Welcome.

9:22 Welcome. Cheers.

9:24 It was a trial by fire, but I'm here.

9:26 Yeah. Yeah, oh God, you know, I feel

9:30 that pretty much every day, you know, like I know the other day

9:32 I was in my office and the person had arrived.

9:34 I need to see them and and he'd gone through like as if, you

9:37 know, he didn't want to see me sort of stuff, but I need to

9:39 grab him. So I was like, I better be quick

9:40 kind of thing. Got up out of my chair and went

9:43 oh wait, oh God, wait till the body's got to unseize after

9:47 sitting down for so. Long.

9:48 Yeah, you've been sitting down. Now you can't.

9:49 Just don't just be so presumptuous as to think you can

9:52 get up and move. Move.

9:53 Move. Quickly.

9:54 Forget that. Yeah.

9:55 No, no. No, no, no, not anymore.

9:58 Join. The 40s club.

9:59 Yeah, but I'm feeling like as it gets warmer, it'll be easy.

10:02 Right. Well, sorry.

10:04 No, no, just. Give me some egg for God's sake.

10:08 No, it does get better in the warmer weather.

10:10 That's good. Thank you.

10:11 Thank you. That's all I needed.

10:12 But just don't go doing stupid shit.

10:17 Yes, ma'am. I've seen people like do the

10:19 whole like, you know, like when I, you know, before I was 40, I

10:21 could, you know, those the bench seats, you know, kind of thing.

10:23 And you'd, you'd get it. You're getting real quick and

10:25 easy. And then after 40 it's you gotta

10:26 lift your leg over the bench. Ohhh yeah, yeah.

10:33 That's where you're at. That is where we're at.

10:36 God, I've got quite a few shout outs today, so I might get going

10:40 with those. Thank you to everybody who's

10:42 commented again this week. I feel like it just happens

10:45 every week, but we've had another record week in terms of

10:47 comments on our episodes. So I'm talking on Spotify, Apple

10:52 Podcasts, and we've also had lots of comments on our Tik Toks

10:55 and Facebook groups as well. So please keep those coming

10:58 because not only do I love reading them and I think I said

11:02 this in a previous episode. Well, if I need a bit of a pick

11:04 me up, I'd just head on over to buy me a coffee and read what's

11:08 been written in there. Because.

11:09 Absolutely. You know, love it.

11:12 Real pick me up. So this week I've got to say,

11:14 we've got to say thank you to Chantelle Ellen, Theresa

11:18 McNamara, Rachel Johnson, who gave us, who bought us a couple

11:23 of coffees on Buy Me a Coffee because she won a $10 bet with

11:26 her boss. Oh yes.

11:27 And and she's like, I didn't know what to do with my $10.00,

11:32 so I decided to give it to you guys.

11:33 So I think her boss listens as well.

11:35 So, you know, thank you to Rachel and to her boss, Love.

11:39 That one, thank you too. Yes.

11:41 Good on ya to Julie Slinner, who has also given us a case

11:46 suggestion for one that we didn't have on our list yet, the

11:49 West Memphis Three. Yes, I can't believe we didn't

11:51 have that on our list. I don't believe.

11:52 That now all right. Perfect.

11:53 So thank you, Julie Katrina Jenner, who thinks that we need

11:59 to absolutely make some absolute piece of shit merch.

12:04 So I don't think she's saying the merch will be the absolute

12:06 piece of shit. I think she's saying that we

12:08 need to have. I don't know.

12:10 I'd be. Pretty crap at it.

12:13 We're looking into it. We're looking into it.

12:14 This is all very new territory for us.

12:17 Oh God. So we will not release anything

12:19 that's an absolute piece of shit, but we can release

12:20 something that says absolute piece of shit.

12:22 We'll, we'll keep you posted. We've said this before I think,

12:26 I can't remember if we said it on the actual podcast or not.

12:28 Like but no one wants to wear a T-shirt that says piece of shit.

12:31 Yeah, but they do, it turns out clearly.

12:33 So we'll do. Katrina's not the only one.

12:36 We also oh someone else I think it might have been someone else

12:41 did mention that they they. I remember reading that as well.

12:44 And then one of the mums at school.

12:46 Yes, she's down for. It she is, Kim is 100% down for

12:50 it and I can imagine her wearing it too.

12:52 Not because she's a piece of shit, but anything.

12:54 Because it. But yeah, she loves it.

12:56 She loves. It it's just and like, yeah,

12:58 we're here for that. So I think we might have to bite

13:00 the bullet. But also, guys, please let us

13:02 know for the wider community, Yeah.

13:04 Is it worth us putting out merch that says well we probably

13:08 wouldn't write the word shit we'd have?

13:10 To do POS on it, I don't know. Or or would we do like SH star

13:14 tea or something? Yeah, let's do that.

13:16 Let us know, yeah, what you want and we'll look into it a bit

13:19 further. Then we've got Claire Lombardo,

13:22 who found us by accident, and I loved that she signed off her

13:26 little thing on Buy Me Coffee. Much love.

13:28 And murder, Claire. Murder.

13:31 So thank you, Claire. And then to Lisa Porter, who

13:34 said she found us, that she was going down a mushroom lady

13:38 rabbit hole. Yeah.

13:39 And somehow stumbled upon us and.

13:43 Because we haven't done a mushroom episode yet.

13:45 We have. We've touched on it, but we've.

13:47 Spoken about her, but we haven't.

13:48 Obviously, we're still. We will get there.

13:51 And she she said at the bottom. Staying curious.

13:54 Yeah. Thank you for staying curious,

13:55 Lisa. And then we also had a lovely

13:58 message and and buy me a coffee as well from Kate, who's like at

14:06 tagline or whatever is at gather and sew.

14:08 I haven't actually looked up her Instagram but please have a look

14:11 because I think she does clothing alterations and that

14:13 kind of nice and she said she listens to us while sewing and

14:16 doing all of the mug. Things oh, I need to get on to

14:19 her. And she I'm always.

14:20 Too short for my pants. Yeah, well, yeah.

14:24 And she can sympathize with all of the mum life stuff and the

14:27 eating and all that sort of stuff.

14:29 So, yeah, you know, we're all in the same boat here, ladies.

14:33 And yeah, the odd. So I was.

14:37 Looking at our stats on that recently and I think it's

14:39 something like 9%. Yeah.

14:40 So how high and welcome all of you and thanks for joining me.

14:44 And we do get the like a lot of comments from men on TikTok

14:48 mainly I would say you probably come through that way.

14:50 But we've definitely had, I know we had a dad once he he

14:53 commented and loved our show and he loved our precision on our

14:57 swearing. Just how articulate we are.

15:01 How did you see that comment? Actually, it was great.

15:03 He's like, I just hope if my girls are gonna swear or

15:05 something, then they learn it. They let you do it like you do.

15:07 Oh. Look, I'm glad we can be a role

15:11 model for someone. I think I explained to him that

15:14 you know, well there is research to show that, that that women

15:17 who swear are more intelligence. Well, you know, I mean, we prove

15:21 that case, don't we? Totally prove that.

15:23 Oh. God, yeah.

15:26 All right, should we get into today's case?

15:28 Let's get into. Today's one it's this is a yeah,

15:31 good one. It's a total mindfuck.

15:33 It is one. It really, really is.

15:34 Yeah. So actually just really quickly

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17:37 All right, all. Right, let's get into today's

17:39 episode. Well, isn't he just.

17:41 Oh my God. So today we are talking about

17:45 the case of Gable Tosti and Warina Wright.

17:49 I think most people will have a vague idea or definitely will

17:53 have heard about it. Yeah, in the media.

17:55 It happened in 2014 and I remember at the time hearing

18:00 about it, but I didn't know any of the details.

18:03 I really want. To learn?

18:04 Not really. I knew I knew she'd fallen from

18:06 the balcony. I knew there was conjecture

18:09 around whether he was involved or not, but I didn't really know

18:11 anything else that was about it. This one got me when it

18:14 happened. I was really hooked on at the

18:16 time kind of going like, what the hell, like this Just I I

18:20 think, well, to be honest, I reckon he he's he's probably

18:23 falls in the category of almost the original Tinder swindler.

18:26 Like, I think this was really the full, the first real case

18:29 around the whole idea of like these apps that were being used

18:32 for dating and then this eventuated to someone dying that

18:38 we really sort of heard of in the media.

18:40 Yeah. But for, for me, I, I, I think

18:42 feel that that would be the case.

18:44 Yeah. And we had a little bit of a

18:46 taster of what Tinder is on a couple of weekends ago to like

18:49 to go with this case. So we, we grabbed a a young

18:54 friend who is, is on Tinder and we we don't mention it because

18:57 we've said to her not allowed to shout her out until she does

18:59 certain things for us. So yeah, that's.

19:01 Right. She still hasn't done what she

19:02 said she was gonna do, so she's not getting an actual named

19:05 shout out today, No. But we grabbed her phone.

19:09 Got it up too. Ohh, God, no 'cause I spoke to

19:12 about it actually just yesterday.

19:14 So so we were learning how to use this Tinder because I had no

19:17 idea what the hell to do. And you're like, I know you had

19:19 to swipe, but which way do you swipe Amazon it like, you know,

19:23 swipe it every. Nah, Nah Nah Nah it really.

19:26 Gets me how like it it's literally and it's kind of I can

19:30 understand the addiction of it of like looking through all

19:34 these people and going, Oh yeah, I like you.

19:35 No, I don't like you, not like you.

19:36 And but it's so subjective of like just a photo.

19:40 I mean, we're so superficial a couple where you'd go like then

19:43 you can click on and find and see more photos.

19:46 But it's again all based on photos and what people look.

19:49 Like, and they do have their little captions because I

19:51 remember when I looked at at one of them, I was like, Oh yeah, it

19:54 looks nice. And then I read something that

19:56 he wrote and I'm like, oh hell no, no.

19:59 No, no, your initial reactions are all just based on.

20:02 But then I think, I think that was the guy that I accidentally

20:05 then swiped yes on. Yeah, we.

20:07 Kind of went one way, I went the wrong way, what do I do?

20:10 And she's like. Immediately he messaged her,

20:12 Yeah. That's right.

20:14 And she was like, oh, just ignore it.

20:15 Don't. Worry, I know 'cause I yesterday

20:17 said to her, Oh, so how's, how's your Tinder profile going now?

20:20 Since we've been playing around with it and that guy's been

20:23 messaging. No, Oh my God, I'm so sorry.

20:26 She just keeps ignoring him, but he's just, he just keeps sending

20:28 her love hearts. Oh, yeah, 'cause that's what he

20:31 did. Like literally within 30 seconds

20:33 of the matching, yeah, he sent her love heart.

20:35 And I was like, oh, sorry, can you block?

20:39 Surely you can. Block.

20:40 Sure you can. I'm sure you can, I said to him.

20:42 Just maybe talk to him. Oh, maybe I'd like I

20:45 accidentally found their soulmate.

20:47 Well. This is it.

20:48 You just never know how even this you're judging off of a

20:50 photo. Quite possibly.

20:52 You're literally swiping the wrong way on your on your

20:54 soulmate. Who knows?

20:55 Yeah. Yeah, but it's a it's a really

20:58 an I I'm just the wrong generation for it.

21:01 Maybe. I don't know.

21:01 Although there's plenty of people my age on there, I guess.

21:03 Oh. Absolutely.

21:04 I can't come at it. You know, we were settled in

21:07 relationships before this became a thing, so it's not something

21:10 that you or I have ever done. But I actually looked up some

21:13 Tinder stats because I was really fascinated by the amount

21:18 of users and how people use it. Because our friend who you're

21:21 talking about, we were asking her like how much she pays and

21:25 it is expensive. Oh really?

21:27 I had no idea you even paid for it.

21:29 Oh yeah, you have to pay. Oh God, I had no idea.

21:32 In order to like you get you paid, there's different like

21:34 levels and how much you message someone and all of that.

21:37 So in 2024, which is the latest stats I could find Tinder

21:44 brought in. This is worldwide 1.94 billion

21:50 U.S. dollars in revenue. Crazy.

21:53 They're right. They're right.

21:55 Everyone but I think men have to pay more maybe?

21:59 I'm not really sure. Is it a bit like the whole

22:00 actually Madison deal like in the maybe maybe.

22:04 There's 60 million monthly users who are active.

22:08 Yeah, in it's available in 190 countries.

22:13 How many countries are there in the world, Like 193 or

22:16 something? It now back in this day.

22:20 So when this case happened in 2014, there were 1 billion

22:25 swipes per day on Tinder around the world. 1 billion swipes.

22:31 So yeah, I can see you, you you go Yep, Yep, Yep.

22:34 No, no, no, no, no, no. We.

22:36 Probably did 20 whilst we were just.

22:37 Standing there for 2 minutes, yeah, there were 12.

22:41 Million a lot with the no direction.

22:43 Yeah, there were 12 million matches in 2014 out.

22:48 Of a billion, Yep, a billion swipes to 12 million a matching

22:51 that's. Very low.

22:52 Low, it's really in terms of like, yeah, OK.

22:55 The average engagement per user per day is 90 minutes.

23:00 That's average. So the average user, this is

23:03 back in 2014, spent 90 minutes and so you can see how you get a

23:08 billion swipes before they're swiping for 90 minutes a day.

23:12 Jesus, you can probably get 1000 swipes in.

23:15 See I OK see I thought that the way Tinder worked was something

23:19 to do with your location and that too, and that you're only

23:22 OK. So I thought you only.

23:23 Patient. Got like to me, I thought you'd

23:26 open up the app and go, oh, like there's only a couple people in

23:28 my area that are on Tinder, you know what I mean?

23:31 Like. But I, I think so many people

23:33 are obviously so many people if they've got 60 million monthly

23:37 active users, yeah, that's a. Lot.

23:39 That's a lot, yeah. OK wow.

23:42 It just blows my mind. Yeah.

23:43 But I just don't understand it as a dating.

23:47 I don't know. What is it?

23:48 What don't you understand? Like I.

23:52 You would go and meet up with someone that you have no idea

23:54 who they are other than what they look like and potentially

23:56 even like, particularly back in 2014.

23:58 I know now they have protections a little bit on this.

24:00 Yeah, but you don't even know if that person who rocks up is

24:03 actually the person in the photos.

24:05 Yeah, yeah, that's changed now it's.

24:07 Changed now, but even still you could get it.

24:10 They can get around it. I think I from my understanding,

24:12 OK, but it's less it's, it's a lot more.

24:15 It's hard, difficult to get around.

24:16 Yeah. But definitely back in 2014,

24:19 100% you could have found that you walked into a situation

24:22 where it was completely not the person on their on their profile

24:25 or they used photos from 10 years ago, sort of stuff that

24:29 you go, oh crap. I thought I was dating a 30 year

24:31 old and now I'm walking in here a 60 year old.

24:33 Yeah, Yeah. So I just feel like it's.

24:39 I just think how else I was reading some commentary about

24:42 this case in particular. So Werena Wright was over in

24:46 Australia because she was attending an ex work colleagues

24:49 wedding, a friend's wedding. Yeah, and she was staying with

24:53 another friend at the time. But this other friend had other

24:57 commitments that she needed to go to.

24:59 So what was Werena to do all day?

25:02 Someone someone wrote in a in an article I was reading about

25:06 this, You don't go out to meet friends like you're not going to

25:10 go out and seek out friendship. So Tinder's a good way to meet

25:14 someone to spend time with when you're in a place like that and

25:17 but. It's just, it's just a hook up.

25:21 Well, I, I guess for some people that's what it is, but for some

25:25 people, I think, I'm sure they want genuine connection.

25:28 This is it. And I, I think that's where

25:29 there's like a different users have different expectations of

25:33 who they're walking into. Yeah, and.

25:35 Like in this situation I dare say from know what I know of

25:40 Gable Tosti, he was literally there to like meet her to have

25:43 sex. Oh 100% he was.

25:44 I mean, we, we know that from things, he's then since

25:46 admitted. Yeah, and I guess in some ways

25:49 she was too, in that she was not from here, she was from New

25:53 Zealand. She was here for a short time

25:55 for a wedding, etcetera. That she wouldn't.

25:57 I mean, look, she had had a pretty, pretty bad breakup in

26:01 New Zealand before coming to Australia.

26:03 And so she was coming here and she was getting onto the app,

26:07 you know, kind of like, you know, go, oh, someone will make

26:09 me feel good about myself and made-up with somebody that, you

26:12 know, that I can feel that I've got, I've still got it like

26:15 after having a pretty bad breakup, which I can fully

26:17 understand that. And getting yourself out there.

26:18 I think she'd also had a an encounter in New Zealand before

26:23 she came to Australia on Tinder. That was actually fine.

26:25 Yeah. Like, it was a yeah.

26:27 They hooked up and it was, but it was a pleasant and happy

26:30 experience and they just kind of moved on.

26:32 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

26:33 So she after this bad breakup, she, that's where she'd kind of

26:36 like, gone. Oh yeah.

26:37 Had had a positive experience with Tinder beforehand I guess,

26:40 yeah. Yeah, sorry, but there.

26:42 But I still think there's a difference in their expectation

26:45 of what was gonna happen on that.

26:48 But if you look at the messages they were sending to one

26:51 another, she knew. She knew that was what the his

26:53 intention was because, yeah, he wrote in one of the messages

26:58 that he sent to her that he was, what did he say?

27:02 He was a freak. A freak between the sheets or

27:04 something. And yeah.

27:05 Oh, he's so fucking gross. There's some I mean, we'll get.

27:09 To a lot of it. But he's like, he's fucking

27:12 foul. Yeah, but he of the things he

27:14 says to her are fucking foul. Yeah, but she still went along

27:18 with it and and still wanted to meet up and all of that.

27:20 So look, there's you're right in in saying that you don't know

27:25 who you're meeting up with. But then also we all make these

27:29 choices. I'm not saying she chose for

27:31 this to happen by any stretch of the imagination.

27:33 Not this, no, but they've gone back to his anyway.

27:37 Let's let's. Start from the start from the

27:38 start, yeah. So this all happened on the 8th

27:42 of August in 2014 where Rena had arrived in Australia on the 29th

27:46 of July and I think she was staying, plan had planned to

27:49 stay for a couple of weeks to obviously attend the wedding,

27:52 which had already happened. But then she was going to do

27:56 some sightseeing and she was staying in Surfers Paradise.

27:59 She was staying in Queensland. Yeah, it's a beautiful spot,

28:03 very touristy, lots going on. She was meeting up with some

28:08 other friends that she had in Australia and just having a

28:11 really lovely time and. 26, she was just, you know, living life

28:16 and, you know, getting out, getting yourself out there, you

28:18 know, I guess and having experiences because she was,

28:22 from all accounts, she was she was born in Philippines and then

28:24 moved to New Zealand when she was three.

28:26 Yeah, her family was 7th Day Adventists.

28:29 But and her family described her as being someone who was quite

28:32 strongly opinionated on things, but very caring and motherly as

28:36 well. Yeah.

28:37 So she had this real soft side that she was just someone who,

28:41 but she's also a bit of a nerd and I love that.

28:42 Yeah. So she loved her Dragon Ball Z,

28:45 but on the other extent of that, she was really adventurous.

28:48 So she did a lot of like various things in terms of adventure

28:51 things she's, you know, skydiving's and all those sorts

28:53 of things. But she she so she liked her

28:56 skydiving and did lots of things like that.

28:58 But she, what she trained in was Muay Thai, so she had a little

29:02 bit of, you know, martial arts experience background, yeah, as

29:05 well. So she had like, so many

29:07 different elements to her personality.

29:09 Yeah. And but yeah, I love the Dragon

29:11 Ball Z. She's just, she was and really

29:13 mad on it. Yeah.

29:14 Just like my brother was back in the day.

29:16 Oh. Serious.

29:17 She loved it. Oh, he loved it.

29:19 She also loved, like, anime and was into all of that sort of all

29:22 of that sort of stuff. Yeah.

29:23 So she lived with her younger sister Maretza over in in Lower

29:30 Hut in New Zealand. She worked as oh, now what did

29:36 she work as? Oh, she worked in a call centre

29:38 for a bank. And she wasn't like super into

29:41 it, but it was sort of a means to an end, I think in terms of

29:44 she had enough money to be able to do those things, live her

29:47 life. Her friends would often come

29:50 over for these. Like they would play, I'm gonna

29:53 say Nintendo, but it probably wasn't Nintendo, like

29:55 PlayStation games. And they would come for the

29:57 entire weekend, bring their consoles and all play together

30:00 and and have a really, really great time.

30:02 If that's what you're into, you go girl.

30:04 Yes. Yeah.

30:06 So she. Oh, they played Final Fantasy,

30:09 if that means anything to anyone.

30:10 But that was their game of joy. It's.

30:13 In that realm. Yeah, she liked Hello Kitty, she

30:16 liked shopping on eBay, she loved an eBay bargain and

30:20 apparently she would like, go and buy shit off eBay, try and

30:24 then like sell it for more, that kind, you know?

30:26 Yeah, right. Is a bit of a side hustle.

30:28 Love that she was into last minute Rd. trips and conspiracy

30:31 theories. Yes, I loved reading that about

30:34 it. She was into conspiracy theory.

30:35 Yeah, so cool. So she probably would have been,

30:37 in some ways, our kind of girl. Yeah, yeah.

30:40 But you're right when you when you say people said she was very

30:43 hardline. If she thought something, she

30:45 was incredibly opinionated. She would not back down.

30:48 Yeah. But if you were her friend, she

30:50 had your back. Yeah.

30:51 She was 100%, you know, all over.

30:54 All over you. Yeah.

30:56 Her dad's name was Warren, and that's actually where her name

31:00 was derived from. So Warina was derived from

31:02 Warren. Yeah.

31:03 And as you said, her mom was Filipino and her name was Mirza

31:08 Beth and they were devout 7th Day Adventists.

31:13 So when they came to New Zealand, when they immigrated to

31:16 New Zealand, they just went into the 7th Day Adventist community.

31:21 Basically, they went to the 7th Day Adventist school.

31:24 And I think her mom ended up becoming like a, is it a pastor

31:29 in that church? I'm not sure.

31:31 But she became like a missionary or something within the church.

31:34 So they were very, she was very sort of devout in that way, but

31:39 that wasn't really marinas path. No, no, she wasn't really into

31:44 it. Yeah.

31:45 She was, you know, described as being a really beautiful,

31:48 naturally beautiful girl. She had big brown eyes and high

31:52 cheekbones, lots of long hair. And when you look at photos of

31:55 her online, you can absolutely see that she was, she was very

31:58 naturally beautiful. She didn't wear a lot of makeup.

32:01 She was, yeah, just naturally, like a really, really lovely

32:05 looking, lovely looking girl. Yeah, I dare say that Gable

32:09 Tosti saw her on Tinder on photos and was like for swipe,

32:13 whichever direction that is that.

32:14 We'll say yes. Let's swipe the yes.

32:16 Way the yes way. Well, so because when Marina saw

32:22 Gabel on on Tinder, she actually immediately said that he looked

32:25 like and Australia's answer to Sam Winchester.

32:29 And for those who don't know, he's the guy off of

32:31 Supernatural. See, my original thought was

32:33 Taylor Lautner. I've heard that too, and

32:36 apparently she even says that at some point as well, in case I

32:39 think you hear it on the the recording that we'll get to.

32:42 Yeah, that she mentions that as well, so I don't kind of get

32:45 either, but maybe it's 'cause I know what I know of him that I

32:47 don't like, see. I definitely see the Lautner.

32:50 I don't see the Sam Winchester, but then maybe in some of his

32:54 photos on Yeah, he. Might have looked a bit like

32:56 that, certainly not in later years.

32:59 He looks like either of those. Yeah.

33:02 So, but I mean, in photos, this is where I kind of this is where

33:05 I go the whole like I I can't stand this whole making

33:07 judgement on people, like from a photo.

33:09 I get it. Because.

33:10 Yeah. I mean, there were photos of him

33:11 that you kind of go as he looked like a young man who was fit,

33:15 healthy, you know, I guess in some ways a typically what you'd

33:19 call a good looking bloke. Yeah.

33:20 Inside, you know, like if you're into that.

33:22 Yeah. Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't

33:24 look at his photos and go he looks like a weirdo.

33:28 Some of this smile, some of his smiles, Yeah, but then.

33:32 We're we're looking at it. That's right.

33:34 If I remove all of what I know of him, Yeah.

33:37 I feel like, yeah. If you were swiping away, you'd

33:39 kind of you'd double look. You'd look OK.

33:42 Yeah. It's interesting.

33:43 Yeah. And yeah.

33:44 He picked his photos carefully. Yeah.

33:47 Sorry. I mean, we always put our best

33:50 foot forward on social media. And if you're putting your yeah,

33:52 yourself out there to get a date, of course you're going to

33:55 put all the nice photos, the nicest photos you can find of

33:57 yourself on there. Absolutely.

33:59 But he he preyed on women. Yeah, through Tinder.

34:03 So it. Would not just through Tinder,

34:04 No no. Well, that is true not just

34:06 through Tinder. So growing up he so his mum, oh

34:10 let me find their names. So his mum was Helene and his

34:13 dad Gray and he had a younger brother I believe named Tennyson

34:17 right now that he grew up in a very sort of upper middle class

34:23 family. His dad owned a flooring company

34:26 and was it was a very successful company.

34:28 So they were able to afford a really nice life for themselves

34:32 and for their children do. Find it really interesting where

34:35 the family, and I think it's come from, the family have put

34:39 forward more so that that dad's a salesman.

34:42 Yeah, because it doesn't sound like they're wealthy.

34:45 This family were. Wealthy.

34:47 Oh, they were wealthy. Yeah.

34:48 And I mean, it's definitely out there.

34:49 People know that they're wealthy, but I think they try

34:52 and like, they like to try and make out that they're not.

34:54 It's in for this context. Yeah, because it, it makes them

34:58 look somehow better. Yeah.

35:00 Sympathetic. Yes, So that.

35:02 But they were, they're absolutely wealthy.

35:03 They live so their mum and dad, their mum and dad now live in a

35:07 gated community and in this absolutely spectacular, like on

35:13 a golf links. It is beautiful.

35:15 Carrara. Yeah.

35:16 It's West of like the Gold Coast tourist strip kind of thing.

35:19 Absolutely stunning and a beautiful part of the world to

35:23 live in. Absolutely.

35:24 They also had purchased the flat that that Gable lived in, in

35:30 Surfers Paradise, 14th floor. Yeah.

35:33 In an apartment building. Really lovely.

35:36 Like, Imagine as a. Well, he was 28 at the time.

35:39 Yeah, imagine being a 28 year old and having a bachelor pad

35:41 like that, that you didn't actually have to pay.

35:43 For but this is the thing, if we like go back to who he was as a

35:46 person and the family dynamic, Yep, that's just an expectation.

35:51 I think of like that's what he would live like.

35:53 Yeah, he did. He attended a private school in

35:56 the area. Oh.

35:58 Let's get into some of his escapades at school.

36:00 Let's, let's and after, just after.

36:03 Just after school, yeah. So when he was at high school,

36:06 he was making counterfeit ID. It was just after he finished

36:10 school. Was it just after he finished?

36:12 Sorry, Yeah. 2003 so we don't actually know his birth date.

36:15 It's been suppressed what his actual birthday is, Yeah, But we

36:18 can sort of where things these things are.

36:20 But yeah. So 2003 after he just finished.

36:22 School, yeah, so he had and a mate were making fake IDs for

36:27 schoolies essentially because for those of you who don't know,

36:30 schoolies is like a spring break type thing in Australia where at

36:35 the end of year 12:00. So at the end of your formal

36:37 education, you go and you have a week or whatever where you just

36:43 let loose, Drink, eat, drink, be merry.

36:47 And the Gold Coast is a place that attracts a lot of

36:50 schoolies. So a lot of kids who are who are

36:52 doing that, and a lot of them might not be of age yet.

36:55 In Australia, you need to be 18 to be able to go clubbing and

36:58 and drinking. Yeah.

36:59 And so he founded this, right? Like so he and his mate in I

37:05 think. Two of them there was 2 mates.

37:07 And he 02 mates was it? Yeah, but they earned $30,000.

37:10 Yeah, before they got caught within.

37:12 It was such a short amount of time.

37:14 Yeah, it was like 3 or 4 months. They was not 30 grand, making

37:18 these counterfeit IDs that were apparently spot on.

37:24 So in this like they they were arrested for it, but the judge

37:29 decided not to have any convictions linked to it.

37:33 And his words in stating that he said that he hoped that his

37:37 exceptional artistic talents would be good used for good

37:41 purposes only from this point forward.

37:43 But no, I think he had to do a little bit of community.

37:45 Service, that's all he got, but he didn't get any convictions,

37:47 no. So the other thing that he did

37:49 also do, which the police were blown away by, was his $50 note

37:53 that he counterfeit. But he never.

37:56 Actually, no, he never used it. But like, they were impressed

37:59 with his skills, even his forfeiting.

38:01 Like, yeah, yeah, the forfeiting.

38:03 Oh my God, what did I say? The forging forgery skills.

38:07 Forgery skills, I mean, yeah, apparently this banknote, this

38:10 $50 banknote was. Perfect.

38:15 Yeah, he just hadn't gotten to a point yet where he was able to

38:17 print it. Incredible artistic ability.

38:20 And as the judge comments, you know, it's like, if if only he

38:23 could have used that ability and used it for good.

38:26 Yeah, he's talented. Incredible.

38:28 Yeah, but he was using it for evil.

38:31 And he is such an evil piece of shit.

38:34 All right, so we've kind of given a bit of a background on

38:37 him now, but a. Little bit further on to that.

38:40 So with that along with that there was also a a psychiatric

38:44 report that was done on Gable at the time of this arrest etcetera

38:49 that had never, he had assessments done prior to this

38:53 as well. So they did a line, but he'd

38:56 never been fully diagnosed with anything prior to this.

38:58 But this is where he did receive a diagnosis from this

39:01 psychiatric report. So in that report, let me just

39:05 grab out what was actually. So was this the one in 2009?

39:10 No 2006. OK, so I think in 2006 they they

39:16 basically diagnosed him with autism spectrum disorder, but

39:20 Asperger's, which was which was what they were diagnosing at the

39:24 time. Yes.

39:25 And severe obsessive compulsive disorder.

39:28 Yeah. So it was stated in it that he

39:30 was considered as partially disabled.

39:33 Yeah. Was noted that he had a limited

39:35 social life or ability to socialise.

39:39 The psychiatrist noted that he didn't believe him to be

39:42 psychotic, but was he was not able to connect with other

39:46 people emotionally put and they put him at a major disadvantage

39:51 socially. Yeah.

39:53 And that is true. He didn't have many friends,

39:55 people he didn't. He was an outcast at school.

39:58 Aside from I think of these two friends who he was doing the

40:01 counterfeit. Which, yeah, I don't know what

40:03 kind of friendship they had as such.

40:04 But that's right, they were. Maybe.

40:05 Gaining something? Who knows?

40:07 Yeah, that's it. But he wasn't well liked at

40:10 school or anything like that. People found him really, really

40:13 weird. So because he was seeing a

40:16 psychiatrist after that diagnosis, which to to his

40:20 credit, I'm glad his parents sort of pushed him to do that

40:22 and ongoing with seeing this my. Question then, why that wasn't

40:27 looked at prior to 2006 where he was clearly what in his early

40:31 20s by that stage, yes, he. I think he was 19 at that.

40:35 Yeah, so it's, it blows my mind that he's gone all through

40:39 schooling and I you couldn't tell me that some educator along

40:44 the way has not raised with them, that maybe there should be

40:48 some assessments. 100% and it's taken him.

40:50 Because mom was a teacher, yeah. It's taken him a like a court

40:56 hearing and being arrested and charged, Yeah, for them to go

40:59 down that path. But at least he think, I think

41:02 in some ways at least for a couple of years he still saw

41:05 this psychiatrist. Yeah.

41:06 Who at the end of seeing him in 2009, because then Tosti decided

41:10 he didn't want to borrow of it anymore.

41:11 Yeah, He basically said that it he basically said that he had

41:17 social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and

41:21 depression in addition to to what he'd previously been

41:24 diagnosed with, and it was impossible for him to establish

41:28 a rapport with his peers. Yeah.

41:31 So. But having all said of all of

41:34 that right now, being ASD, yeah, it doesn't make you like a piece

41:41 of shit. Like, you know, God, no.

41:42 I wanted to really look at this really carefully in respect to

41:45 like what, what similarities and what differences there are to

41:50 ASD and narcissism personality disorder, like as a actual part

41:54 personality disorder. Yep.

41:56 And some interesting things I think to note are that in terms

42:00 of social skills, someone with autism can have difficulty

42:04 initiating and maintaining social interactions right due to

42:08 their neurological difference. Yep.

42:10 However, someone who presents with narcissistic personality

42:13 disorder may strategically utilize social skills to

42:18 manipulate or control others. OK.

42:22 So these are I just want to keep all those things in mind that

42:24 difference between those two potentially which can be seen as

42:27 being the same thing on the surface.

42:29 Yep, Yep. But maybe actually going on

42:32 underneath is different, right? And he's a.

42:35 Clever. He's a he's very smart.

42:37 So his IQ was he He says his IQ was 150.

42:40 Yeah. I don't, I'm not gonna I I don't

42:44 know if he's accurate in saying that when he says it because

42:45 it's he's drunk when he says it. Yeah, but I wouldn't be shocked

42:48 if that if that was the case. He's so.

42:51 And then in terms of self esteem and the way that might present

42:55 in terms of someone with autism, this their self esteem can be

42:58 impacted due to their social challenges.

43:01 OK right. Yep.

43:02 But while someone with Gnostic personality disorder has an

43:05 inflated sense of self importance and a need for

43:09 constant admiration. Yeah.

43:11 OK. So that that really resonates

43:14 with me because he lost his virginity when he was 17.

43:18 He then didn't have sex again until he was in his.

43:22 What was he, 2425? Yeah.

43:26 So he and by that stage he needed, he needed that

43:32 validation. Exactly.

43:34 From an external source, because so he did lose a lot of weight

43:39 after school, he got into the gym.

43:41 He was like, you know, muscle man.

43:44 He was on these bodybuilding webs, like forums and websites.

43:48 Oh my God, some of the fucking banter on there is disgusting.

43:52 But you know what? I actually really thought he

43:54 would write something about women on there, something really

43:57 derogatory. 9 times out of 10 someone, another man on that

44:02 forum, on these bodybuilding forums would call him out.

44:04 For yeah, yeah. And thank fucking God there are

44:07 men like that out there. I mean, I know there are.

44:09 Unfortunately, there was more people who wanted his advice on

44:13 how to also do the same. So, OK, So what you're alluding

44:16 to now is when he started to get fit and obviously he had this

44:21 absolutely inflated sense of self and he needed that

44:25 validation from women. So he decided that he would

44:27 sleep with 100 women in 12 months.

44:29 That was his goal. Yeah, because he outright said

44:32 like that he had low self esteem.

44:33 Yep, and that sleeping with women made him feel better.

44:36 Yep, literally he wrote that on, on one of these forums, so.

44:40 And yeah, there were blokes who were like, oh, let us know how

44:42 you go. Let us know how you go about

44:44 doing that. Anyway, he does that.

44:47 He hits his hundredth women and he posts about it and he's like,

44:52 you know, loving himself sick. We could just have one of the

44:56 quotes he had on there was Had a 21 year old Tinder date come

44:59 over for drinks. We're getting along fine, start

45:01 kissing, feeling each other. She's small so I go to hug and

45:04 lift her up and take her inside from the balcony.

45:07 But she totally freaks out, Mumbles something about getting

45:10 back to her parents and bolts out the door.

45:13 Deletes me off her both Tinder and Facebook.

45:15 Maybe I acted too abruptly and snapped her out of her little

45:18 lust. Trans by minute manhandling her.

45:22 Oh my God, he also, oh God, he's fucking disgusting.

45:25 He called them all young sluts, sluts, IE sluts.

45:30 What a fucking tosser. Oh, like there's.

45:33 And multiple quotes like that on there.

45:35 There's another one where he comments around that he had two

45:38 he slept with two women last night, one of them being a four

45:41 out of 10, so not even worth mentioning or.

45:45 Because normally he doesn't go below A7, he said.

45:47 He's. Just disgusting the way he

45:50 speaks about women. His absolute disrespect of women

45:53 is revolting. He also uses the word frigid a

45:56 lot and it's just I fucking hate that word.

45:59 But because they didn't want to sleep with him the first time

46:02 they met him. Yeah, you know what?

46:04 They want to get to know you as a person.

46:06 Oh, shock. Or they were creeped out by him

46:09 because the other thing is. As this girl was, I think that

46:11 young, yeah. 20 year old you would be.

46:13 The other thing is, he had actually been banned from most

46:16 of the most of the nightclubs in Surfers Paradise because he was

46:20 such a fucking creep that he made all of the other patrons

46:23 feel so uncomfortable. To the yeah but women had

46:26 complained about him to to clubs and they banned him like they

46:29 would agreed with them and had it on camera and what have you

46:32 that they went Oh yeah yeah no, you're not coming back in here

46:35 like. So he couldn't actually go to a

46:36 club, thank God. Oh, this is it, yeah.

46:40 Oh. God, so fucking disgusting.

46:42 Yeah, so fucking disgusting. Anyway, so he links up with

46:46 Warina on Tinder on it was a that the day before I think they

46:52 met up, No. They didn't meet up, they just

46:54 chatted on. Yeah, but did that, Was that the

46:56 day before that? I think it wasn't long before,

46:58 yeah. Yeah, I think it was.

46:59 So they, yeah, it's not like they've been.

47:00 Chatting well they might have even as soon as she got almost

47:02 like arrived in Australia, I think they started talking and

47:05 then over those few days they were like they were chatting and

47:08 then they seriously they followed the day before they met

47:11 up, they said well, let's get. Together, OK, I know there were

47:14 like 180 odd messages between them before they, yeah, actually

47:18 met up, but they agreed to meet at A at the front of a Tavern in

47:22 Cavill Avenue. Surfers Paradise and CCTV shows

47:26 them both sort of meeting up at about 8:45 PM on the night of

47:30 the 8th of August. Yeah, in 2014.

47:33 And well, so. Right, So what they had

47:38 originally planned on doing is going to this beer garden.

47:41 They go to the beer garden, they're there for like 2 or 3

47:43 minutes and they obviously decide to go and get beer and

47:48 take it back to his apt. I don't know if it was busy.

47:51 I I don't, I don't know. But then they go, yeah, they,

47:55 they're then seen on CCTV going to a bottle shop and buying a

47:58 six pack of two. His extra dry.

48:00 Yeah, like, come on, show her a good time.

48:02 I could have at least gone a crowning.

48:06 Oh no, Peter will have you for that, No.

48:09 He will, but this is like a throwback to my mum.

48:13 We were out one day and I don't know, the boys had ordered beers

48:16 or whatever and mum's like, oh, why aren't you getting a Crowny?

48:19 Nothing better than a Crowny. My dad.

48:23 Maybe it's a generational thing on my mum.

48:25 There's so many benefits. And the crown, the the fancy

48:28 beer, Yeah. There's nothing better than a

48:31 Crowny. Well, turns out mom.

48:32 Yes there is, but there's also worse.

48:35 So the two is extra dry. 6 Pack goes home with them to to

48:41 Tosti's 14th floor apartment in Surfers Paradise.

48:44 Yeah. So with I think they arrived

48:45 there like 9:00-ish. It's not long.

48:47 It's like after the first meeting. 15 minutes or something

48:49 after they first met up that they were in his apartment.

48:52 Yeah. And According to him, they drink

48:55 the beers, the six beers, and then he has homemade vodka.

48:59 He's like moonshine. Moonshine essentially.

49:01 Now, I looked up a little bit about this.

49:03 So I think you are allowed to still.

49:07 Did you not do that? No, we used to do it.

49:10 All, Yeah. Yeah.

49:11 When I was like, yeah, yeah, we used to always make our own

49:14 vodka. How?

49:16 God, I can't remember now. We used to make it a friend's

49:18 place. She was, she was mad on making

49:19 her own vodka. And we because we always had it

49:20 in the freezer at her place whenever we'd go there and she'd

49:22 make different, like we'd make different combinations of things

49:25 like to go with it. And yeah, we used to do a

49:27 Skittles 10. Yes, I know we used to put like

49:30 Redskins in a bottle of Absolute that was delicious back in the

49:34 day. Oh yeah, yeah, we do those like

49:36 and yeah, I just like, do different mixtures and things

49:39 with what you put in it. But yeah, we'd make her own

49:41 vodka. Not never, I've never done that.

49:43 But then what happens when you distill vodka is it comes out at

49:47 100% alcohol or 200 proof, and you've got to then dilute it to

49:52 be the right proof. And most vodkas are 40 to 50% or

49:56 Yeah, what would that be? 80 to 100 proof?

49:58 Yeah. But you don't know if you're

50:00 making moonshine, like, God only knows.

50:03 You could have it whatever concentration you want.

50:06 It's worth noting that Gable did have a binge drinking problem.

50:10 You know, like he seriously had a drinking problem.

50:13 He he knows it. Even so, he was, he was very

50:16 used to his moonshine, I guess, that he was making.

50:21 I questioned that a little bit of how much he drank, but in in

50:24 comparison to her. But we also should say he was

50:28 quite a big guy in terms he was 6 foot three, you know, well

50:32 built not he was, you know, at the time very fit but very

50:36 muscular. Yeah.

50:37 Yeah. So he was very much into his

50:38 training and stuff. But she was 5 foot 4 Bailey sort

50:42 of thing. She was she.

50:43 Made like 55 kilos or something like she's.

50:46 Tiny in comparison. She was tiny, yeah.

50:49 So very different builds in terms of for their drinking,

50:52 yeah. Of what their their ability to

50:54 be able to take this and hold their liquor basically, I think

50:58 would be very different. Yeah.

51:00 But it was, would have been very strong what he what he had made

51:03 for sure. Yeah, and she didn't know that.

51:06 Like she's drinking this moonshine.

51:09 God only knows what concentration it was.

51:11 And he was pouring them too. I mean, it's his house, I guess

51:13 that kind of. Makes sense and we and I know

51:14 they did have shots as well as some as mixers like so there was

51:18 a bit of both happening and they can individually hit you at

51:21 different ways. Yeah, yeah.

51:24 So after having quite a few drinks, they then had sex in his

51:29 bedroom. Yep.

51:30 According to him it was consensual and.

51:33 But I mean, I guess we will never truly know because.

51:36 From the video from the recording, I would assume that

51:39 was a consensual act that that one.

51:41 Yeah, the OK. Yeah, OK.

51:43 I would go with that. Yeah.

51:44 I mean, the fact that she was still around and having the

51:46 banter, I suppose. Yeah, that makes sense.

51:48 We'll say at 1:00 AM they continue drinking and he turns

51:52 on his phone to record. Now from that recording, the

51:56 beginning of it, I would say, yeah, they're very much in it

51:58 that well, it was fun. They were having fun.

52:00 It was, it was playful. It was.

52:02 It was but. You could tell she was

52:04 incredibly inebriated. Yeah, and and just getting more

52:06 and more so. Throughout it, you can hear him

52:08 pouring her drinks. Yeah, he does make comments

52:11 about, Oh my God, you're so drunk, do you want something to

52:13 eat? But then you can also hear

52:15 drink, like a pouring of a drink on the background.

52:17 So I'm like, OK, what is it? Yeah, but this recording, so

52:21 this is a three hour and 19 minute recording and you can

52:24 find it on YouTube and listen to the entire thing.

52:28 Very fascinating. Have you listened to the entire

52:30 thing? Right through I have only

52:32 because we've had this extra week.

52:34 If we had have recorded this last week, I hadn't listened to

52:36 the whole thing right? Well.

52:38 I've listened through a snippet, I've listened to the whole thing

52:40 right through. Yep.

52:42 Twice. Yep.

52:43 Oh, wow. And I've listened to some

52:45 snippets back again quite a number of times.

52:48 OK, particular spot where we'll get to.

52:50 Yeah, it's a Now he did this regularly.

52:55 Yes. He would turn his phone on to

52:56 record. This was something he did,

52:58 apparently, because because he knew he drinks, he drank so much

53:01 he would forget parts of the evening.

53:03 And so he wanted to. He would, because he would

53:05 document his escapades on this forum as well as in a diary

53:11 entry style of like who we slept with, what they like.

53:15 Yeah. And so he would then use these

53:18 recordings to go back and remind, remember what happened.

53:22 I find this really intriguing of that.

53:25 I mean, it's an OCD potential, yeah thing.

53:28 I don't know. But it's a little bit

53:31 voyeuristic. It's it's a bit stalkerish.

53:34 It's a bit odd, but yes. And he leaves this recording on

53:38 from 1:00 AM right through, as I said, three hours and 19 minutes

53:42 long recording the. A lot of the recording is

53:47 there's no one talking. This is it like.

53:49 It's it's just blank space, which, OK, that's fine, but

53:53 what? Oh my God.

53:54 It's really worth noting, though, really important, I

53:57 think, and I don't think that this was emphasized enough in

54:00 the trial, that he was the only one who knew the recording was

54:05 on. Yes, I think Irena had no idea

54:08 she was being recorded, whereas he was fully conscious that he

54:12 was being recorded. I think it's also worth noting

54:17 that OK, that in the recordings you can tell she is wasted, but

54:26 he seems very coherent and very together and very controlled,

54:29 very in control. Yeah, there is definitely.

54:33 Look, I'm not. Yeah, as I say, I'm not not

54:35 saying that he wasn't drunk or that I don't.

54:38 I don't think they were going one for one.

54:41 No. You know.

54:43 Not no. And when you listen to the

54:47 recordings too, with the way her, I mean in that space of

54:50 because I say, OK, so at about the 2:00 AM mark and we're

54:53 saying it starts at 1, at about the 2:00 AM mark is where this

54:57 horrendous thing occurs. So it's only an hour of

55:00 recording of her, and in that time you hear her decline in

55:05 terms of her inebriation. Oh yeah.

55:08 And to me, I question and I could not find a pathology

55:13 report, toxicology report to find out.

55:16 I do question. Did he put something else also

55:20 in her drinks? But I also think if he's feeding

55:23 this 5 foot 455K it. Could.

55:26 Just be moonshine that we don't even know how potent that was.

55:31 Yeah, it could have just been that all catching up with her

55:33 because in that hour that you're talking about, you can hear

55:38 drinking throughout that whole time.

55:41 So, you know, you might have one or two drinks in an hour and

55:44 feel like a bit light headed, but if you've been drinking all

55:46 night and then on top of that, you're having concentrated

55:50 alcohol. Yeah.

55:51 I reckon it might even just be that.

55:53 I feel it could be. I feel like if there was more to

55:55 it, I'm sure a toxicology report was done.

55:58 Yeah. But I'm sure if there was more

56:01 to it, we would know about it. It would have come out in the

56:03 trial. It would have well, there was a

56:04 lot come out in the trial that should have true.

56:08 So yeah, I, I'm I really I, I would believe both.

56:12 I could definitely very much be led to say, yeah, absolutely,

56:17 she just drank a lot more than he did.

56:19 Yeah. And that he has more tolerance

56:21 than she does. I would say that's.

56:23 True that. So we could get to it for that

56:25 point, but I just there's a little question mark over it for

56:28 me that could there have been something else in her system as

56:30 well? Yeah, I think that's completely

56:32 fair. Her blood alcohol concentration

56:34 at autopsy. Yeah, this is actually really

56:37 friggin horrible. And just maybe skip ahead 30

56:41 seconds if you don't want to hear this, but due to the way

56:44 she died, there was not enough blood left within her body to do

56:50 a blood alcohol reading. So they actually had to take

56:53 vitreous humor from her eye. They took samples of her liver

56:57 in order to determine the fact that her blood alcohol level was

57:00 somewhere around the .156 mark, so three times over the legal

57:04 limit. So she, she was inebriated.

57:07 You've also got to understand that this happened like quite a

57:10 while later. And although when you die your

57:13 body stops processing alcohol like it, it would have been

57:16 somewhere around that, around that level anyway.

57:19 So she was drunk. Yeah, very much so.

57:22 All right, so the recording you can listen to is very

57:26 interesting and you hear like them just, as we said, bantering

57:31 bit of playfulness and they start sort of fighting, like,

57:34 but play fighting and like, I don't know, I just kind of

57:37 listening to it. You just really do the whole

57:39 like, Oh yeah, like it's two youngish people having a bit of

57:43 a, you know, play and I don't know it.

57:45 Gets a bit aggressive. Yeah, it it builds though.

57:48 But this is at 1:35 where Rena says to him.

57:52 So she accuses him of taking her phone.

57:55 Well, accuses him. It was in his pocket.

57:57 Yeah, it was, and it was still in his pocket after the fact as

58:01 well. Yeah, but she says to him, no.

58:06 Yeah, she says to him, are you going to my tie me?

58:08 Because I will fucking destroy your jaw.

58:10 And then. Like.

58:12 All of a sudden it kind of all comes down again.

58:15 It kind of goes up and down and. That's the thing, you only get a

58:19 getting recording. You're not getting any video.

58:21 There's no context of what is happening visually in that room.

58:25 You're only going by audio of what is happening and then his

58:30 word. Oh yeah.

58:31 So yeah, she did. She does get quite aggressive

58:34 in, but she's she's lost her phone and her wallet.

58:37 Yeah. Now that would be quite scary,

58:40 terrifying as a female in a male's apartment.

58:44 You can't find your wallet in your phone.

58:46 And maybe. And because there was a couple

58:48 of occasions where she had mentioned going home.

58:50 Yeah. And it would sort of, he would,

58:53 I feel, manipulate the conversation of be like, Oh,

58:56 yeah, I can walk you home if you want, but how about have another

58:58 drink like it was, you know, it was redirect.

59:02 Music or like he'd changed the subject yes.

59:04 And she was so drunk, she kind of just.

59:06 Went with it so it sounds like he's doing the right thing of

59:09 offering to walk her home but then also knows it's.

59:12 Being recorded, yeah. Yeah, so it does, yeah,

59:16 obviously escalate at this point because yeah, he.

59:18 And The thing is, he did take her phone and wallet.

59:20 He did hide it from it. Yeah.

59:22 So what the fuck was with that exactly?

59:23 What was that's not even goal in this about in the trial, no.

59:27 So he's got her phone and her wallet and she's hunting

59:29 everywhere, trying to find it and going, getting angry and

59:31 angry. Like where is it?

59:32 You've stole my money, you know, yelling at him and he's calm as

59:36 fuck. Which is creepy.

59:39 During the whole like, well, what are you gonna do?

59:40 Like, oh, well, if you're gonna call the cops, how are you gonna

59:42 do it? I thought you lost your phone.

59:43 And then he says to her, Do you want me to call your phone?

59:45 What's your number? Which?

59:47 Which he has her number. They've been they've been

59:49 texting, not communicating through Tinder.

59:51 They've been texting each other. Yeah.

59:52 So he had her number. Yeah.

59:54 He's really fucking with her. Yeah, he.

59:56 This is the thing and I find and that really, that's where these

59:59 are the moments where I go. This is an ASD.

1:00:01 This is narcissistic. Yeah.

1:00:03 This is manipulating her to feeling like, yeah, oh, look,

1:00:07 I'm doing nothing wrong. I'm trying to help you here.

1:00:08 Sliding her. Holy girl sliding her with his.

1:00:10 Her phone is fucking in his pocket and he knows exactly

1:00:13 where it is. But on the recording we don't

1:00:15 know that, you know what I mean? Not yet, no.

1:00:17 He's way too aware of himself and the situation to be 1.

1:00:23 As drunk as her, but also not controlling of the situation.

1:00:28 Yeah, yeah. I just finally.

1:00:30 I agree, at 2:10 AM there's a struggle.

1:00:34 Now this is really difficult to hear when you listen to the

1:00:38 audio. That's something you guys choose

1:00:40 to do. It is so incredibly full on.

1:00:44 It sounds as though she's actually being suffocated by

1:00:47 something. Yeah.

1:00:48 And her voice is muffled. She tries to say a couple of

1:00:50 things. Her voice is really muffled.

1:00:52 Yeah. And then you can quite clearly

1:00:54 hear after that her say that hurt my vagina.

1:00:59 What the fuck was he doing to her?

1:01:01 Yeah. What was he doing to her in that

1:01:03 few minutes? Honestly.

1:01:05 I really fuck. I think that's the key to it all

1:01:07 to be honest. I fully.

1:01:08 Agree. I fully fully agree.

1:01:10 I think it's been overlooked at the trial while 100%, yeah,

1:01:13 there's, there's more to that moment.

1:01:16 Yeah, that has been given credit to in the trial.

1:01:19 Yeah, yes. So he sort of laughs that off.

1:01:23 We just, I don't know he's. Well, he kind of.

1:01:24 No, he does. He goes.

1:01:26 Yeah, I don't know. He's just awful.

1:01:28 Then she starts playing with these like on his coffee table.

1:01:32 Well, again, this is his word. This is his word.

1:01:35 He says that she picked up these rocks off of like, obviously,

1:01:38 you know, one of those. Ornamentals.

1:01:40 Ornamental things, sort of. Thing and she was piffing them

1:01:43 at him but. Oh, he could easily make that up

1:01:46 because she's incoherent at this point and he just goes ow, yeah.

1:01:52 Ow, what if I could do on that for you hurting me?

1:01:54 I could. And then he starts around at

1:01:55 once. At one stage he uses these, the

1:01:57 words. And I don't know if you've got

1:01:58 the exact quote there of the, you know, you're lucky I haven't

1:02:01 dragged you out on the balcony and throwing you off my balcony.

1:02:04 Yeah, which is just fucking awful.

1:02:07 Fucked it's I'll get that direct quote.

1:02:09 In Yeah. But then she calls him Sam

1:02:13 Winchester then, which kind of brings him back.

1:02:17 It does it kind of like, flips him back into like a more

1:02:21 sympathetic tone. Like the way he switches is

1:02:24 another thing that really gets me.

1:02:27 And he says to her sexually, I'll be your slave.

1:02:34 Then in another second, he goes to a You've worn out.

1:02:36 You're welcome. You are not my kind of girl.

1:02:39 Yeah, yeah, you have to leave. And she says OK, but she's

1:02:45 gasping for breath. Yes.

1:02:46 And she? Goes.

1:02:48 OK, like it's, it's a real like. Yeah.

1:02:50 Desperation or something there's.

1:02:52 Something happening in that room that we're unaware of, but he's

1:02:56 fully aware of. Like she seems very at this

1:03:00 point, she is petrified in my mind.

1:03:03 You can hear it in her voice and she I can sense this thing of

1:03:07 like, I need to work out how I'm getting out of here.

1:03:10 So the prosecution allege at this point that her face is down

1:03:14 on the carpet and that's the muffled, like he's holding her

1:03:17 down face down into the rug or next to the coffee table.

1:03:21 Yeah. And that's the muffled noise,

1:03:23 because that's what's what he's restraining her.

1:03:28 And then he calls her fucking insane.

1:03:31 You're lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony, you God damn

1:03:34 psycho little bitch. And then she says something

1:03:39 that's unintelligible to the recording and she.

1:03:42 Says. Can barely speak.

1:03:43 She can't speak. She he goes.

1:03:45 What? What?

1:03:46 You've got something to say. Yeah, it's really derogatory the

1:03:49 way he speaks to her at that point too.

1:03:51 Really demeaning like. Yeah, and he's got her face in

1:03:54 the fucking rug so she can't say anything.

1:03:56 He's he's. Oh my God, yeah.

1:03:59 He's restraining her and he's he's he admits that he is

1:04:03 restraining her as if like she's some threat to him.

1:04:05 Yeah, She's half his size. Yeah.

1:04:09 So at this point he claims they were in the room and that the

1:04:13 door was the front door of his apartment was further away than

1:04:17 the balcony door. So why that matters, I don't

1:04:22 know. Because the front door is where

1:04:25 you send someone who you want to leave your apartment.

1:04:27 Absolutely right. What he says, he says to her, at

1:04:32 this point, you're not going to collect any belongings or

1:04:34 anything. You're just going to walk out

1:04:37 and I'm going to slam the door on you.

1:04:38 You understand? If you, if you try to pull

1:04:41 anything, I'll knock you the fuck out.

1:04:43 So she she does try to get out at that point.

1:04:46 Yeah. There's a gurgling and rasp

1:04:48 being sounded in the recording. And so we don't actually know

1:04:52 what she was trying to say. She was trying to say something.

1:04:55 The prosecutors allege that Tosti was actually strangling

1:04:59 her at this point, or he had her in some kind of hold.

1:05:01 So her hyoid bone wasn't damaged and there were no signs of

1:05:05 strangulation on autopsy. However, apparently there are

1:05:10 certain holds that you can do that don't leave a mark.

1:05:13 And that's what they believe he was doing at this point, Yes.

1:05:15 And because he had some martial arts training, he had this like

1:05:19 a lot of, I mean, he was on all these forums and stuff, they

1:05:23 allege that he used this hole, that that wasn't going to leave

1:05:26 any marks on her. He claimed at this point that

1:05:30 she was holding and threatening him with a telescope clamp.

1:05:36 Yeah. Yeah, OK, cool.

1:05:40 You're still also waiting to get bigger.

1:05:42 And yeah, and could overpower it, but whatever at 2:19 and.

1:05:47 Why did she feel the need to have a weapon at that point?

1:05:49 Oh, well, exactly. I mean, I think to me it's

1:05:52 undeniable. The fact that she was being

1:05:54 restrained and feeling threatened and feeling

1:05:56 threatened, she needed to, yeah, have something to defend herself

1:05:59 with. Yeah.

1:06:00 At 2:19 there are sounds that they think we think the balcony

1:06:05 door opening. Yeah.

1:06:07 Oh no, the balcony door was already open so you don't hear

1:06:09 it opening. Oh, yes, sorry, Yeah, yes.

1:06:14 Yeah, you can hear her being it being it closing but but.

1:06:17 In the preceding that sorry, yeah, you actually, she screams

1:06:21 the word no 31 times. Please, if you don't do anything

1:06:25 else just to hear the desperation in this poor girl's

1:06:27 voice, listen to this bit. It's horrific.

1:06:30 It's horrific because she's like, she's desperate and it's,

1:06:33 it's, it's almost animalistic the way she's screaming.

1:06:37 It's uncontrollable. She's like, she's desperate.

1:06:40 Desperate. Absolutely.

1:06:44 Just frightened. Terrified.

1:06:48 And interestingly, A neighbor reports that a similar no, no no

1:06:55 was heard by her at least about a month prior to this of the

1:07:00 exact same, you know, level of threat.

1:07:04 Yep, sorry. Yep, that's exactly right.

1:07:08 So the commotion and the noise. So now that what we think has

1:07:14 happened, I guess, or what's been reported to have happened

1:07:17 is that Tosti removes her to the balcony and he clocks her out

1:07:21 there. He closes the balcony door.

1:07:23 On the click. Yes, you can.

1:07:25 So I guess the recording proves that he was inside when she was

1:07:30 out on the balcony. You can actually also hear now,

1:07:34 this is absolutely horrific, but you can hear her scream as she

1:07:38 falls off the balcony to her death.

1:07:41 Yeah. Which 25 seconds after that

1:07:45 scream, you hear him ring his lawyer.

1:07:50 His lawyer, Not triple. O Nope.

1:07:53 Not the not an ambulance, not the police, not desperate for

1:07:57 help. He doesn't even go out and

1:07:59 check. Nope, you don't hear the door

1:08:01 open again to the balcony. He doesn't go out there and look

1:08:05 because in his words that would highlight where she came from

1:08:12 and that it would look bad for him and that he might have

1:08:14 pushed. Her.

1:08:14 Yep, he says. If he if someone had have seen

1:08:17 him on the balcony, they would have assumed he'd pushed her.

1:08:20 Yep, and he so he had the forethought to think that in

1:08:24 that moment of like a holy shit, she's gone over the edge and

1:08:31 then ring ring his and ring his lawyer who didn't answer.

1:08:35 And this is all on the recording as.

1:08:36 Well, Yep, he's still got the recording.

1:08:38 Still got the recording Hours after this.

1:08:39 Yep, a bit over an hour and a bit after this.

1:08:42 What he does next is incredibly interesting.

1:08:45 Very. Now none of this, from this

1:08:47 point onwards, none of this was admissible in court.

1:08:52 So none of this was heard in the trial.

1:08:55 And I really think that this goes back to that potentially

1:08:58 that comment around that hurts my vagina because, and I think

1:09:02 this is where the if the jury heard what happened here, the

1:09:06 the outcome could have been different.

1:09:07 I I agree with you so hard. And the reason it wasn't allowed

1:09:12 in is because the judge deemed it prejudicial.

1:09:16 And you know what? Because that would make him

1:09:18 guilty. Yeah, funny that.

1:09:20 All right, let's let's talk about it and tell everyone what

1:09:23 actually happened after this. So he rings his lawyer, who

1:09:26 doesn't answer. He then you can hear in the

1:09:28 recording a little. Well, I can't remember which

1:09:31 comes first. I've got it all you.

1:09:32 Can hear him putting his pants on.

1:09:34 Yep. So you can hear him help.

1:09:35 Doing those things, but you'll also hear a spinning and that

1:09:39 spin. Many people have played this

1:09:42 recording, have done it themselves at home of like

1:09:44 played that sound to see if it matches and it checks out in

1:09:48 terms of who he was as a person too.

1:09:50 That a dumbbell has like an end on it that holds the the weight

1:09:53 onto it. And it's that sound of one of

1:09:55 those coming off and suddenly being put down.

1:09:59 He is then seen exiting his apartment with an item in his

1:10:03 hand that looks like a dumbbell rod, like it's a long metal

1:10:08 thing in his hand. Yep.

1:10:10 He walks out of his apartment, goes down, and you can hear the

1:10:13 Ding of the elevator arriving. He weirdly does something and

1:10:16 you can hear it all. In the recording of life, we

1:10:18 think he must leave his door open or wait or press the button

1:10:21 of the of the elevator which must been right near his door.

1:10:25 I think it was. He's pressed the button of the

1:10:27 of the elevator and then instead of waiting in the hallway, he's

1:10:30 waited inside his apartment for the the elevator to arrive

1:10:34 because you hear the door close of his apartment after the Ding

1:10:38 of the elevator arriving. So he's left his door open.

1:10:41 It did have some sort of auto close function on it too.

1:10:44 So he's he's waited inside rather than waiting out in the

1:10:47 hallway, which again, sounds really SUS.

1:10:50 Totally. And then, so he gets into the

1:10:52 and then you can see him on the CCTV as he's come down through

1:10:54 the elevator again carrying that item.

1:10:57 He then wanders around the streets.

1:11:00 He calls his dad. I believe it's before he calls

1:11:03 his dad. You hear him dispose of whatever

1:11:08 that was in his hand and you hear the clunk of it.

1:11:10 Like where he put it. Nobody knows.

1:11:13 We don't know. He's not on CCTV at the point of

1:11:15 like that of the recording, but he disposes of this metal thing.

1:11:20 You can hear it clear as day drop where it was in a bin or

1:11:23 something, don't know, but he's definitely disposed of it at

1:11:27 that point because he didn't have it on him later.

1:11:29 As far as we're aware, he calls his dad.

1:11:32 Well, first of all, he gets a slice.

1:11:34 Of no, that's after Oh no no, he got the pizza for pizza.

1:11:37 First he does. He goes to some pizza shop

1:11:40 that's open on Cavill Ave., gets a slice of Supreme Pizza.

1:11:44 Sits down and calls his dad. Yep, I think I could be in

1:11:47 trouble here, Dad. At this point, swarming around

1:11:51 the the bottom of the apartment block are police officers,

1:11:54 ambulances, gathering people. Because So just to go back a

1:12:00 little bit, yeah. I mean, no, I mean, that's

1:12:02 totally all relevant. But there were three

1:12:06 eyewitnesses to Werena's death. Yeah.

1:12:09 So the first was Nick Casey. So he was two floors below

1:12:13 Tosti's apartment and visiting his friend Emily.

1:12:16 She was. They were both hairdressers.

1:12:18 And the other person was directly below Tosti's

1:12:23 apartment. Her name was Gabrielle Collier

1:12:25 Widener, and she's the one who heard someone a few months

1:12:29 earlier saying no, no, no, no, no as well out on the balcony in

1:12:32 the same panicked sort of tone. They hear all of this banging

1:12:37 and yelling and that that causes them to come out onto their

1:12:39 balcony to find out what is actually going on.

1:12:42 And when they look up, they see Wright standing on a concrete

1:12:48 ledge on the wrong side of the balconies.

1:12:50 Glass balustrade and Nick says that he remembers right, saying

1:12:57 she just wanted to go home and he said you've got to get over

1:13:00 the other side. You can't get.

1:13:01 Out this. Way and but she kind of like

1:13:05 turns to twist around to then face the Bella straight so she

1:13:09 was facing out at that point she goes to twist around to.

1:13:12 In her sober world, she was quite athletic, you know, have

1:13:17 ability to climb things and stuff like that.

1:13:18 But I mean in a drunken but there was no way they knew that.

1:13:22 There was no way she could get where she was trying to get to

1:13:26 by coming over that way. That's right.

1:13:27 But in sheer panic, desperation, She wanted to get out of there,

1:13:31 however. However she could, I think yes.

1:13:33 But in the turning around of that, she's then let go of the

1:13:36 balustrade and they actually see her fall to her death.

1:13:40 Like, so Nick actually was interviewed by a New Zealand

1:13:44 newspaper a few years later and he said, I think he's studying.

1:13:48 Like, no, actually, this might have been Gabrielle.

1:13:51 Actually, she said that she could have reached out and

1:13:54 touched her. That's how close it was.

1:13:56 Yeah. But she still can see the wide

1:14:00 eyed panic and desperation in her face as she felt.

1:14:04 You would never forget that. No way.

1:14:06 That's with you for life. It's Oh my God, it is absolutely

1:14:09 with you for life. So they're the ones who call

1:14:11 000? Yes.

1:14:12 And both, both, both of them do. And obviously that prompts

1:14:17 ambulance police firies to come. And they are, as Gable says to

1:14:23 his dad's, swarming the building because a woman has fallen to

1:14:26 her death. Well, the.

1:14:28 What did he expect? Yeah.

1:14:30 The coroner's report stated that her body had practically, well,

1:14:35 not practically, it had folded itself in half.

1:14:39 She'd lost all of her blood volume on impact, so you can

1:14:42 imagine the scene, it would have been horrific, absolutely

1:14:45 horrific. The only thing of that is that I

1:14:48 bloody hope then she just didn't feel any of it.

1:14:51 Oh, it would have been instant. Yeah, it would have.

1:14:52 Been that is the instant only redeeming, if anything, of that.

1:14:56 Yeah. Oh God, a terrible, terrible way

1:15:01 to go. Horrific.

1:15:03 But yes. So we're back to Gable Tosti

1:15:05 sitting there having his pizza, recording himself call his dad.

1:15:10 And that conversation on the phone gets me with his dad on

1:15:14 both sides. So his comment to his dad is

1:15:19 yet, oh, I think I might be in a bit of trouble here.

1:15:21 And he starts explaining to his dad the night that he had this

1:15:24 girl over, we would just play fighting.

1:15:26 And she's gone off the balcony. Now, Dad's reaction on the phone

1:15:31 is basically, oh, have you called?

1:15:33 Called Miss? Mr. Potts, the lawyer?

1:15:36 Oh, yeah, he's not answering. Like, you know, not not Is she?

1:15:40 Is she OK? Is she?

1:15:42 OK. Have you called Triple O he?

1:15:44 Has to he immediately defends himself of like, you know, Oh

1:15:47 no, I had nothing to do with it like I didn't push her or

1:15:49 anything it's like I I just blows my mind the conversation

1:15:53 between the two of. Them I know because like I'm in.

1:15:57 And how about have you called Triple O, mate?

1:15:59 Yeah, why are you calling me? Triple O, I'll be there in a

1:16:01 SEC. Yeah.

1:16:01 Oh wait, you're not there. Fucking get back.

1:16:03 Then where are you? Where are you, You know, kind of

1:16:05 stuff. He's like, he's just like, I

1:16:07 mean, I get it. It's 2:00 AM and 2:30 AM in the

1:16:09 morning, like kind of stuff. He's getting a phone call.

1:16:11 He'll be a bit, you know what? What?

1:16:13 But I think that it's sober and wake you up pretty bloody

1:16:16 quickly once you hear that a girl has gone over the balcony

1:16:19 from his apartment and you'd be like, whoa, mate, what is going?

1:16:24 Where are you? Like, what's going on?

1:16:26 It wasn't that kind of panic state.

1:16:27 It was like, okay, well, I'll come and get you.

1:16:30 Yeah. And but hang on what?

1:16:31 I'll come and get you and bring you home.

1:16:33 Not not take you to this. You should be.

1:16:36 I would have been like, go over to the police, talk to them,

1:16:39 tell them. Was in my exactly.

1:16:41 If you are actually innocent and you think you've got nothing to

1:16:45 do with this, why the fuck a did you not call triple O straight

1:16:47 away and B why have you fled the scene?

1:16:50 Why have you disposed of something?

1:16:52 Yep. Why?

1:16:53 Why all of it? Why all of it?

1:16:55 All of his? Why have you gone and eaten a

1:16:56 fucking slice of pizza? You.

1:16:58 Oh, he's hungry. She's hungry.

1:17:01 Oh, I. Just can't.

1:17:03 So obviously, because as you said before, he had her purse

1:17:07 and her mobile phone in his pocket.

1:17:09 So the police were actually unable to.

1:17:11 Identify what actually pissed me off the most, like in that in

1:17:14 that moment of like, you're not even going over there and

1:17:16 identifying who this person is and saying I know who she is.

1:17:19 She's fallen from my apartment. Yes, like that shows more

1:17:22 innocence than walking away going oh, I don't want to be

1:17:25 involved because like they might think I did this.

1:17:27 For sure. Like. 100%.

1:17:31 Oh, I just just can't. So anyway, his dad picks him up,

1:17:35 takes him home, and it's not until the next day that he goes

1:17:38 and does turns himself into the police, to which his lawyer, I

1:17:43 mean, at that point, I mean, yeah, get a lawyer, whatever, as

1:17:46 you should. We always say lawyer up.

1:17:48 But so his lawyer directs him to make no comment.

1:17:52 So he literally from that point to trial makes no comment to the

1:17:57 police. So they put their case together

1:18:00 entirely without any statement from him.

1:18:03 Again, if you were innocent, wouldn't you tell them what

1:18:06 happened that night? They do produce very quickly the

1:18:11 recording his his defense fully believe from the get go that

1:18:16 that recording will prove his innocence because the door lock

1:18:20 is heard prior to her falling. However, that is not how the law

1:18:25 works. So he they, the police were able

1:18:29 to charge him with murder, potentially manslaughter.

1:18:32 So the trial was based around the fact of was it murder or

1:18:36 manslaughter or neither? Because did he his actions

1:18:43 create an environment where she plummeted to her death due to

1:18:49 his intimidation and his behaviour?

1:18:53 Yes, yes, yes, 100% no. I think, I think the see to me,

1:19:00 the recording shows that he's called.

1:19:02 I I really do. I don't know how.

1:19:04 I don't know how you would think otherwise, although I I

1:19:07 understand. Yes, he did not push her.

1:19:10 There are theories that people have put out, like I'm talking

1:19:14 Reddit threads and that kind of thing.

1:19:16 But people are like, well, maybe when he physically manhandled

1:19:19 her out onto the balcony, did he place her on the other side of

1:19:23 the balustrade? We don't, we don't know.

1:19:25 Nobody saw that, no. And so then.

1:19:27 Her. Seat and to climb back over.

1:19:29 Did she fall? That's right, we don't.

1:19:31 We don't actually know. We don't know that mechanism.

1:19:35 What we know and what wasn't presented at trial is what he

1:19:39 did after, which I think shows that he's he's guilty.

1:19:43 Like something happened. Person would have called 000,

1:19:46 rushed down those fight 14 flights of stairs or whatever as

1:19:51 quickly as they possibly could. They would have given the police

1:19:54 every every assistance, every piece of information from the

1:20:00 night that they could. Yeah.

1:20:02 I I just. So the, the, the wording in this

1:20:04 is that was he responsible for her death?

1:20:07 And I fucking believe he was. Yeah.

1:20:09 He was the one who fed all that alcohol.

1:20:11 Yeah. He was the one who put her on

1:20:12 the balcony. Terrified.

1:20:14 Yep. And knowing she was obviously

1:20:17 she was very dazed and confused. I mean, if he had of just

1:20:20 suffocated her slash strangled her, she was possibly like

1:20:24 oxygen deprived. We don't actually know.

1:20:27 Yeah, what the I don't know. I, I just, I can't believe that

1:20:34 the way that this was presented in court was allowed, to be

1:20:38 honest, I think, I think the jury would have, I mean, the

1:20:43 fact that they heard all of the recordings up until the point

1:20:46 where the balcony door locked. Basically they, and I mean you

1:20:50 can actually then hear her scream as she falls as well if

1:20:52 if you listen carefully enough, which is.

1:20:56 Absolutely horrific. I did have to listen quite a few

1:20:58 times to get that I didn't hear it straight up.

1:21:00 Same and he claims he didn't. Hear it again, but.

1:21:03 He would have looked out and seen that she wasn't there.

1:21:06 Like to me, that's not an excuse.

1:21:08 Yeah, he claims he doesn't hear that, but hang on.

1:21:09 Wait, why did you call the lawyer?

1:21:11 Exactly 35 seconds or 2525 seconds later.

1:21:14 Like seriously, fuck off. Oh God, you knew what had

1:21:18 happened. Yeah, this is it.

1:21:19 He or he did, and I really then go back to OK, right, he's left

1:21:23 that apartment with this very unusual piece of weaponry

1:21:27 potentially in his hand. What was that used for and why

1:21:31 is he having to dispose of it exactly?

1:21:34 Now in an autopsy of her, as we said, had horrendous her body

1:21:38 had been impacted by this and not saying that he would have

1:21:42 known that that's what would happen at the end of it all, but

1:21:46 what did he do with that implement?

1:21:50 And there's a statement from her saying that hurt my vagina.

1:21:55 Did she did something happen with those two things to equate

1:22:00 her feeling very much because it gets escalated very quickly

1:22:03 after that of did he do something to her that made her

1:22:08 go this is I got to get out of here.

1:22:10 This isn't OK. And that's where it's ramped up.

1:22:13 And and she did fear for her, for her life then.

1:22:18 I think my personal theory is, and this is just what I think,

1:22:21 but I think that is exactly what happened.

1:22:24 He's used that weapon in the perpetration of some kind of

1:22:29 sexual act potentially, and he's needed to dispose of that

1:22:33 because it would have contained the DNA and evidence.

1:22:37 And then that would have been been able to show that there was

1:22:39 a reason for her to. Be, that's right, a reason for

1:22:42 her to be. Scared and want to get out of

1:22:43 there? He was able to think so clearly

1:22:45 and concisely in that moment. Just makes me feel like a lot of

1:22:48 this was either he's done it before and he's, you know, and

1:22:53 Yep, we've got eyewitnesses who say they've heard or, you know,

1:22:57 auditory witnesses who've who've said that they've heard similar

1:23:01 sounds coming from his apartment in the past.

1:23:04 We know he has swindled at least a.

1:23:07 Well, what was it by this point, 128 or something moving into

1:23:10 sleeping with him. Yeah, he is an absolute piece of

1:23:16 shit. So there's another bit of

1:23:18 evidence that I don't know if you call it evidence, but

1:23:20 something else that was held from the withheld from the jury

1:23:22 and they didn't know about was that.

1:23:24 So there was a long time between this occurring and the trial

1:23:28 happening in 2016, right? So 2.

1:23:30 Years, a long time part. Of the reason of that was that

1:23:33 he had not too long after this occurrence with Wirina, he had

1:23:39 been Oh no, it might have been before it actually it was.

1:23:42 It was before. It was before he had been

1:23:45 leaving Splendour in the grass yes, and had a high speed chase

1:23:51 with the police across the NSW border.

1:23:55 And after they finally did actually capture him by using

1:23:58 spikes on the road to slow to get him to slow down to capture

1:24:01 get get to him, he refused A breathalyzer and a blood sample.

1:24:08 Eventually they got a a reading off of him of .2.

1:24:13 Yep. So I mean, this is I mean he

1:24:16 must have been absolutely off his nut because that's much

1:24:20 light later after the fact that I finally got that out of him

1:24:23 that he refused it for so long. So his reading was probably even

1:24:26 higher when they first he was when he was in that.

1:24:29 Vehicle. Oh yeah, for sure.

1:24:31 So from that incident, he then actually was given six months in

1:24:36 in jail, Yeah. So that he did that sentence

1:24:40 between. Yeah.

1:24:41 Between the the Warina case and having his trial, yeah.

1:24:45 So that was not admissible in court and I can understand the

1:24:48 lawyer arguing that to do with it.

1:24:50 However, it does paint a picture of who this douchebag is.

1:24:54 Have you seen the OR heard the footage from that from?

1:24:58 Oh, no. So of course he was recording it

1:25:00 because he recorded fucking everything.

1:25:01 Yeah, but in it he goes, he says to the police officer.

1:25:05 So yeah, as you said, he's been pulled over.

1:25:07 He was going 195 kilometres now. What a fucking toll.

1:25:10 Well. Maybe if he'd killed.

1:25:13 Himself. Oh, if only he said he said to

1:25:16 the police officer, all this is being recorded and the police

1:25:18 officer goes recorded. Is it?

1:25:20 God you're a Dick head. And nail on head.

1:25:24 And the and the he says to the police officer, well what are

1:25:27 you arresting me for? I think police officer goes for

1:25:30 being a Dick head. If only that was a charge.

1:25:37 Well-being, a Dick head and driving at 200 kilometers an

1:25:39 hour. Yeah.

1:25:40 And being four times the legal limit, yeah.

1:25:42 Maybe that just thinking. Just maybe.

1:25:44 Yeah. Well, so anyway, obviously the

1:25:47 the jury did have an issue at trying to come in to come to a

1:25:50 conclusion on this. It took them after a six day

1:25:52 trial, it took them four days to come up with a verdict.

1:25:56 And they had so many questions. Yeah, they came back after six

1:25:59 hours and they had like a whole list of questions.

1:26:01 They then had to go and talk about that for longer and.

1:26:03 Yeah, which I think led the prosecute, the defence.

1:26:06 Sorry to believe that. Oh, God, he's gonna get it, you

1:26:09 know, get caught here. Gonna be done here.

1:26:11 Yeah. So there was an incident where

1:26:12 one of the jurors actually posted onto social media a

1:26:16 picture of a coffee cup and like out the front of the, you know,

1:26:20 Supreme Court kind of stuff saying, oh, another day on jury

1:26:23 duty. I've got a tough one turned out,

1:26:25 you know, yeah, she's one of the jurors from, you know, his

1:26:27 trial. I think she actually named it.

1:26:30 I think she did too, which So the defence then wanted to have

1:26:34 a mistrial based on that because the jury aren't allowed to talk

1:26:36 about them being on the case that I think the judges credit.

1:26:40 I don't think that equal to mistrial.

1:26:44 And he did say no, no, no, we're going with this.

1:26:46 We're going to let them go, keep going because she didn't say

1:26:49 anything about the actual case in terms of like discussing it.

1:26:52 So, you know, yes, it was not right, but it's toe line, toe

1:26:57 over the line stuff, not not as bad as it could have been.

1:26:59 And when it's escaped enough of to warrant a mistrial.

1:27:03 So they did push forward, but then unfortunately the jury then

1:27:07 came back after four days with a not guilty verdict for both

1:27:12 murder and manslaughter. I, I, I don't know how that that

1:27:17 came about. I do think they were obviously,

1:27:21 I think I. Think we need, as you said, to

1:27:23 put this in context of what they heard because they didn't hear

1:27:26 the full. Story This is it.

1:27:27 And probably, to be honest with you, I've given this a lot of

1:27:31 thought over the last week. Yeah, I I do feel like they,

1:27:35 given that if we only knew what they were told, I can kind of

1:27:40 see that that the bar was too high.

1:27:44 That that screen that no no no gets me every.

1:27:47 Time I've listened, that's why I'm thinking like it surprises

1:27:49 me that there wasn't a manslaughter charge.

1:27:51 I do understand the murder charge because yes, he didn't

1:27:55 actually physically push her, yes, but.

1:27:59 I do think he's. Responsible.

1:28:00 I do think he's responsible. So I fully think he should have

1:28:02 received at least a manslaughter charge.

1:28:05 Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know.

1:28:06 And we'll never know why the jury made the decision that they

1:28:09 did but that but they. Did look his family again, very

1:28:12 wealthy, had very good lawyers, no question.

1:28:15 Yeah, again, this come of the Earth, but he, he had very good

1:28:20 lawyers who did a very good job of painting a picture that he

1:28:24 wasn't responsible for this, I think.

1:28:26 Yeah, unfortunately the judge didn't allow things into the

1:28:29 trial that should have been. And I understand, you know, the

1:28:33 fact that he ate pizza and wandered around for like nearly,

1:28:35 you know, for an hour and a half afterwards before I think that

1:28:40 element of after the fact not being included, I could have

1:28:44 come out, but the fact that there was more evidence of him

1:28:47 disposing of something. Yes.

1:28:51 Was overlooked and should have been included.

1:28:53 Yeah, even the fact that he didn't seek attention for her,

1:28:58 seek medical help or yeah, anything.

1:29:00 Like the fact that he called his lawyer the 1st.

1:29:02 Yeah, exactly, exactly 25 seconds later, like I think that

1:29:07 shows such culpability like. If he drank his dad 1st and then

1:29:10 a lawyer, I could have come at that easier, you know what I

1:29:12 mean? Like but to ring the lawyer

1:29:15 first. Yeah, I just all of it just does

1:29:17 not sit right. He.

1:29:18 Literally had a lawyer on speed dial because he's always in

1:29:21 trouble. This was not the first time he

1:29:22 was in trouble. This was not the first time that

1:29:24 he'd been called out for being a Dick with women.

1:29:28 There was a pattern here, well and truly, of behaviour that was

1:29:32 Red Flag City. 100%. And it doesn't just stop there,

1:29:37 because this man, obviously not being convicted of this,

1:29:43 continues to walk the streets and behave atrociously.

1:29:46 So he was so you, as you said, he did not give any statement to

1:29:52 the police, right. So this put him in really great

1:29:55 stead for 60 minutes to offer him 250,000 Australian dollars

1:30:01 for an exclusive interview. Which of course he was like huh

1:30:04 fucking AI don't know how. Anyway, yeah, that's that's that

1:30:09 is what it is. I don't know if it did him any

1:30:11 justice though. It didn't.

1:30:13 I mean, they were. So they did their job.

1:30:15 The was the of the Yeah. And he's good a.

1:30:18 Journalist. He's.

1:30:19 All been a he's could have been a Dick.

1:30:22 But he also, he wasn't gonna let him off.

1:30:24 No. But.

1:30:25 And OK, it didn't pay him in a great light, but what difference

1:30:28 did that make to him? No, like people already knew.

1:30:31 That what had happened, double jeopardy.

1:30:32 He could have literally sat there and went, yeah, yeah, it

1:30:34 was my fault and it wouldn't have got anything.

1:30:36 So yeah, he could speak freely at that point without any

1:30:39 consequence. He used all of his behaviour.

1:30:41 He took zero responsibility. He could have taken

1:30:44 responsibility and been like, yeah, look, I probably shouldn't

1:30:48 have given her that much to drink, or maybe I should have

1:30:51 walked her home. When things started to escalate,

1:30:53 there was nothing, nothing. No, he made excuses for all of

1:30:56 his behaviour. When he was asked about how many

1:30:59 women he'd slept with, he's like, Oh yeah, men, men of my

1:31:01 age have slept with that many women.

1:31:03 That's not abnormal. Well, that's not unusual.

1:31:05 Like it's fucking really unusual, yeah.

1:31:08 That's and the way you talk about it is what's more unusual.

1:31:12 Yeah. Like there's one thing of like,

1:31:14 if that's I don't know what you do or, you know, Yeah.

1:31:18 But the other thing, other way, like it's the way he spoke about

1:31:21 women generally speaking, was what's really gross.

1:31:24 I don't care what your number is.

1:31:26 No, like that's such an irrelevant thing.

1:31:29 It's the fact of how you speak about those people that you've,

1:31:32 you know, had those sorts of relationships with.

1:31:34 Yeah. Well, you know, you call them

1:31:35 relationships, relations. Yeah.

1:31:38 He just, he was, he had a very poor opinion of women, women in

1:31:43 general, which to me equates to someone who is dangerous to

1:31:47 women. Absolutely.

1:31:49 He he doesn't respect them, to have to care for them enough to

1:31:52 not have them be hurt or injured.

1:31:54 Yeah, because he continues to this day to get into trouble.

1:31:58 So he's he's now legally changed his name.

1:32:01 Yeah, so Eric, Eric Thomas, Thomas so and 20 I think, I

1:32:06 can't remember what it was, 22, I think he was coming.

1:32:08 He came to Melbourne for something, for some reason.

1:32:10 He was in Melbourne and there's a Facebook group that outed him

1:32:15 on there saying that if he's in Melbourne women and he's, he's,

1:32:18 he is gay Tosti. He's known as Eric Thomas on

1:32:21 Tinder and all these sorts of things.

1:32:22 So don't date him. Like don't go out with him.

1:32:25 He's this, he, this is who he is.

1:32:27 He tried to sue them for it, but that that didn't, didn't fly

1:32:34 because he's, he's well known in areas for doing awful things.

1:32:38 So he's been banned. There's a number of brothels

1:32:40 around the Gold Coast area who have banned him because he's

1:32:43 beaten up women like that. Yes, he's paying them for sex.

1:32:47 He's certainly not paying them to be able to beat them up.

1:32:50 So they have had to ban him from multiple brothels.

1:32:55 He's also, he was, oh God, I've got to find the quote of this.

1:32:58 This is disgrace. He was actually pulled over

1:33:02 again for speeding and and driving under the influence and

1:33:06 found to be driving naked in 2019.

1:33:10 And his statement by the from the police when they asked him,

1:33:12 he crashed the car and when they pulled him out of the car, not

1:33:15 wearing anything, he said they they asked him why he wasn't

1:33:17 wearing any clothes and he goes, oh, I was just in that state.

1:33:20 You know what? What?

1:33:24 Sorry, what state? What?

1:33:25 What state? Not, not not usually.

1:33:27 Do you get Like, what's the state that creates you to be

1:33:29 naked in your car driving? How gross.

1:33:31 He's got butt juice all over his car seats too.

1:33:35 Yuck. So at that he was like only

1:33:38 given 12 months probation for that and fined 350.

1:33:41 Dollars. This is the thing now?

1:33:43 What the fuck? Yeah, he like all of this other

1:33:46 shit that he's done too. Does that not count for

1:33:49 anything? No.

1:33:50 Like fucking put this joker in jail.

1:33:52 He's going to kill someone else. He will.

1:33:55 He will, he will with his reckless behaviour.

1:33:59 Yeah. He could not give a fuck about

1:34:01 anyone else or the consequences of his actions.

1:34:03 No. So the biggest one he's had any

1:34:06 kind of consequences too, though?

1:34:09 Yeah, is the most recent in that in 2022, he was at the Grand

1:34:13 Hotel in Broadbeach, which is operated by the casino, right?

1:34:17 So he was found in a hotel room on top of a woman who was laying

1:34:22 on her back with her dress and skirt up around her hips, right?

1:34:27 And he was hitting her. How did?

1:34:31 He was fighting her, who found her security.

1:34:33 They came to a rescue, right, and got him off.

1:34:36 Like, did they hear her? Yeah, yeah.

1:34:38 So they dragged him off him and everything, right.

1:34:40 He was choking her too, by the way.

1:34:42 Yeah. So they pulled him off and they

1:34:45 banned him from the casino, right.

1:34:48 And that and because they're they're a group, he was banned

1:34:51 from all their their venues, I believe.

1:34:54 So good fucking well, yeah. But then he being a Dick, so

1:34:58 requested for that ban to be removed because it was.

1:35:02 It was. What did he say?

1:35:04 Sorry he was. It was discriminate.

1:35:05 They were discriminating against him for being a man.

1:35:09 Oh fuck off. Real men don't choke women.

1:35:13 No. Well, so I love that the fact

1:35:15 that the a judge in this, I don't think it's a judge for the

1:35:18 civil court sort of stuff like I don't know who the magistrate,

1:35:21 yeah, who they basically turned to him and said no, the ban is

1:35:25 staying in place because your claim of gender bias is not

1:35:30 here. This is called domestic

1:35:31 violence. And they most certainly can ban

1:35:35 you for domestic violence in their venues.

1:35:38 It is there is no relevance whatsoever of your gender

1:35:41 claims. So thankfully that one stood

1:35:46 but. He's clearly he'll just find

1:35:48 someone. Else this is it.

1:35:50 He's an absolute pest and criminal.

1:35:55 Yeah. He will kill someone else I

1:35:56 reckon. I really, I just feel we will

1:35:58 hear of him again. I, I, well, listen to this,

1:36:01 right. So there's a, an article in, I

1:36:05 think it's like the New Zealand advertiser or something, and

1:36:08 where Rena's dad, it's the one and only time he's ever spoken

1:36:11 about the case to this reporter. And he says in it he says please

1:36:16 charge him with the right thing, false imprisonment resulting in

1:36:20 death. I don't know what the charge is

1:36:22 in Australia, but that is 100% what he's guilty of.

1:36:25 That and being an arrogant son of a bitch, but I guess there's

1:36:27 no crime against that. But then at the end he says, he

1:36:32 says, I know we haven't seen the last of him.

1:36:35 That is the nature of the beast. And he's right.

1:36:38 We haven't seen the last of him. I think.

1:36:40 I think her dad is on the money. We haven't seen the last of this

1:36:45 story. Like he hasn't learned anything

1:36:47 from this experience. Because he's not ASD.

1:36:50 He's fucking narcissistic personality disorder.

1:36:53 Yep, he's it's. I honestly don't feel that that

1:36:56 ASD covers who he is. Maybe there is ASD there as

1:37:01 well. Yep, not saying that that's not

1:37:03 a possibility. Yep, because he does have

1:37:05 certain traits of like the artistic ability and the

1:37:07 intelligence level, all these other sorts of things.

1:37:11 But there is a narcissistic streak in this person.

1:37:13 Both things can be true and. Both of those things can be

1:37:15 true, absolutely. Because he is an absolute sack

1:37:20 of shit. And he will.

1:37:21 He's he has injured women. He's made women feel incredibly

1:37:25 uncomfortable prior to this as well at nightclubs being banned

1:37:27 for that. His alcoholism and drinking and

1:37:31 driving is putting people in danger.

1:37:33 There are so many elements of this man that he should be

1:37:35 locked away, or at at very least he should be in therapies, well

1:37:42 and truly getting support and help for whatever is going on

1:37:46 for him. From what I can gather, since

1:37:49 2009, he's had no psychological intervention.

1:37:52 There's well, certainly there's nothing reported.

1:37:54 Whether he is or isn't, I don't know for sure, but from what I

1:37:57 can see, it's it's stopped at 2009.

1:37:59 So that's five years before this incident took place and far too

1:38:04 long ago for it to have any effect now, especially if he was

1:38:07 medicated back then. I don't know.

1:38:08 But I, I just think he's dangerous.

1:38:12 I think women need to be aware that he's out there and he's on

1:38:16 Tinder again. He should be fucking banned from

1:38:20 all of this. Like he shouldn't be allowed

1:38:22 there. There was a ban while he was

1:38:23 awaiting trial that he wasn't allowed to be on Tinder or any

1:38:26 any. Well, he wasn't allowed on

1:38:28 social media, but he was social. Media, Yeah.

1:38:30 So he, he just doesn't give a shit.

1:38:32 Oh. That was the other thing that

1:38:33 I've I've found more recently. Yeah.

1:38:35 So what he he oh gosh. Now where am I?

1:38:40 So, yeah. So he was banned from using

1:38:43 Tinder, right. And being on social media, which

1:38:45 he heavenly heavily was still going as onto his forums and

1:38:48 claiming his his innocence. And he used the name GT when he

1:38:53 was on those forums when he wasn't supposed to be.

1:38:56 Yeah, it was clearly him. Like GT, you think he could have

1:38:59 come up with something a little more anonymous, but OK.

1:39:01 But even then, so this Eric Thomas though person who's been

1:39:06 who boast boasted about having sex with 260 women.

1:39:10 Just recently he was boasting these things again on none other

1:39:14 than a page called Blokes Advice.

1:39:19 Now if you've heard of this page before, there's some amazing

1:39:23 people out there highlighting how toxic and disgusting this

1:39:27 is. These guys have a podcast as

1:39:29 well. And sometimes men shouldn't have

1:39:31 microphones. They are atrocious.

1:39:34 Absolute toxic masculinity. So this blokes advice pages

1:39:40 supposedly, you know, to help men's mental health, it does the

1:39:43 complete opposite because guess what they promote?

1:39:47 Oh, blokes need to have a beer with each other, you know, cope

1:39:50 with these things. Now that will send me off the

1:39:54 edge. Alcohol is part of the problem.

1:39:58 So they're, they're so not equipped to actually support

1:40:02 people's mental health. Yeah.

1:40:04 And so, and surprise, surprise, Eric Thomas or Gable Tosti,

1:40:08 whatever you want to call him, is well and truly in on that

1:40:10 page. So that's where he's getting his

1:40:13 mental health advice. He fits the fuck me.

1:40:15 Doesn't he like, you know, that his opinion of women?

1:40:20 Oh yeah, his, just the way his mannerisms, the way he goes

1:40:25 about things, it doesn't surprise me that he's on.

1:40:28 A pitch like that? Not at all.

1:40:29 But God, we need to do better. I don't know how we do, how we

1:40:35 fix these things. I don't know.

1:40:37 The legal system doesn't help us.

1:40:38 No, no, because it was certainly what I think.

1:40:43 What I see in this is that it was coercive control in terms of

1:40:48 how she was being manipulated in that room.

1:40:51 Agreed. And so there are laws around

1:40:54 that now. And no, in 2016 there weren't.

1:40:56 And I wonder whether it would have been looked at differently

1:40:58 today, even even though it's not in huge amount of time.

1:41:02 But a lot has been changed in that time.

1:41:03 Yeah, there has been things put in place and I would I would

1:41:06 hope that we would see this differently now.

1:41:08 Yeah. I don't really hope we're

1:41:10 learning slowly. Yeah, yeah.

1:41:13 I, I look, I would hope so too. I would hope that there'd be a

1:41:16 different lens cast upon it, knowing that as time goes on, we

1:41:19 know more and when you know more, you can do better.

1:41:23 But then I I also understand that the law, while progress has

1:41:28 been made, it still probably hasn't fully caught up to the

1:41:30 point where you know, where, for example, this entire story could

1:41:34 have been told to the jury. And you know what I think would

1:41:39 be the right outcome could have could have come to the fore.

1:41:42 But it just, I don't know, I think there's so there's a lot

1:41:46 of gaps and there's a lot more room for us to to be better and

1:41:50 do better in this in this space. Yep, Yep.

1:41:54 Absolute piece of shit. And I'm actually done talking

1:41:57 about him now. I've had enough.

1:41:59 No, I know I can't agree. I think it's.

1:42:01 Worth ending this episode with Werena's family, you know in

1:42:08 mind because they are now having to live the rest of their lives

1:42:11 without their daughter and their sister and I can't even imagine

1:42:14 how hurtful that would be and. Especially just getting an

1:42:17 outcome, you know, that's right. Someone having being held

1:42:20 accountable, it just makes it even another layer of shit with

1:42:24 this. It's awful.

1:42:25 Yeah, when he is responsible. Yeah, so.

1:42:29 We're thinking of them. Yep.

1:42:30 We're thinking of them for. Sure, Yeah, where are you now?

1:42:32 Most well and truly did not deserve this to occur.

1:42:36 She was an incredible young woman and this was just

1:42:40 absolutely an outcome of an evening out where she should

1:42:44 have been that started that started that recording where

1:42:47 there's a bit of fun and banter stuff.

1:42:49 If the the night had ended there for everyone it would have been

1:42:53 amazing. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.

1:43:01 I think we're done. I think we're done.

1:43:03 Yeah, we could go on and like the incredulity of it all could

1:43:07 see us through. But anyway, have you looked up

1:43:10 to see what we're doing next week?

1:43:11 Actually, Actually I did. Play around with oh, it's

1:43:14 childers. Oh, the backpacker fire.

1:43:17 Yeah. Oh, this, this is a this is

1:43:18 actually a really fascinating. Yeah, I'm intrigued.

1:43:21 I remember obviously occurring, but I actually don't feel like I

1:43:24 know a lot about it. Yeah, so we're sort of back into

1:43:26 Outback ish. Australia too, yeah.

1:43:28 Going back to the Outback, Yeah, yeah.

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