Episode 37 - Allison Baden-Clay: Part 2

0:16 Welcome back to Crime Besties to Part 2 of our Alison Baden Clay

0:20 episode. Thank you for joining us.

0:22 Absolutely welcome, everybody. Number two.

0:24 Well, we weren't planning this to be A2 parter, but here we

0:28 are. I I, I always feel a bit like

0:32 dubbed when there's A2 parter of a favorite podcast of mine and I

0:35 have to wait a whole week for an episode.

0:37 Yeah. It's not ideal.

0:38 It's. Not ideal, but anyway, it is

0:40 what it is. You didn't.

0:41 Yeah, this episode would have just been crazy, crazy long if

0:44 we had released it all in one go to.

0:46 Do it the justice that it deserves.

0:49 Yeah, I think it was. We needed to have all the

0:50 information in there. Definitely, yeah, That's it,

0:53 yeah. We definitely do.

0:53 We probably get into more of the nitty gritty of it this episode,

0:57 yeah, so stay tuned. For sure, and if you haven't

1:01 listened to Part 1 I I really strongly suggest you go back and

1:04 do that now. For sure, there's a lot more

1:06 context I think than most places where I certainly what I was

1:09 listening to and you know, you kind of get these bits from

1:11 other, other avenues than other podcasts that I found really.

1:14 Agreed. Yeah, agreed.

1:16 How's your week been? Yeah, just trying to remember.

1:18 I'm like what? Have I done?

1:20 Who am I? Where am I?

1:21 My usual Friday collapse. Yeah, yes, yeah, we're really

1:25 madly into it now with all the sports return.

1:27 Like, you know, winter sports are ranch ramping up already,

1:29 which this just seems insane. I know my, my, my son said to me

1:33 this week at the first training session for his footy was like

1:37 mum, it's just wrong to train for footy in in 30° heat.

1:41 Yeah, it doesn't feel right. No winter.

1:43 Sport with all the parents standing on the sidelines, we're

1:45 like it's daylight and hot and. Sunny like we need your

1:48 sunglasses. Normally we don't like footy

1:49 training. It's dark and freezing and

1:52 umbrella, Yeah, so it's different, but take it, we'll

1:56 take. It for now.

1:57 Oh my God. Yeah, yeah.

1:58 Yeah, certainly getting back into all those things, yes, But

2:02 it always brings all the, I don't know, there's always a bit

2:04 of drama with that stuff, isn't there?

2:05 Always. Oh, it's just one of those

2:07 things like we were saying the other day, just grab your

2:09 popcorn and watch. Because, I mean, we're not,

2:12 we're not those people who kind of get involved in a lot of the

2:14 sporting drama legit. Rocked up with my popcorn.

2:17 This. Week, but we definitely like to

2:20 watch from the sidelines and see what's going on because there

2:23 are people who definitely who get really into it and look, I I

2:26 get that you want what's best for your kid and that kind of

2:28 thing, but I just kind of I'm more of a whatever happens

2:32 happens kind of a. Definitely, because I know

2:35 there's there's something in the background at the moment and I

2:36 just kind of rocked up this week going well, it's not really my

2:39 place to say anything, but yeah, I can push buttons on someone

2:42 else to say it and then I'll just sit back and watch.

2:43 Yeah. Let's see how this all pants

2:45 are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:47 That's anyway it'll, it'll all work out in the end.

2:50 It'll all be fine in the end. It's just this, the scheduling

2:53 of it all that gets me. But anyway.

2:55 Yeah, yeah. It's all parents trade season

2:58 coming up with, you know, we sort of switch between sports

3:00 and different training nights happen and it's like, OK, so all

3:04 of a sudden we had all of our routine that goes out the

3:06 window. We've got a whole new one

3:07 starting and it's else, but it's it's good too.

3:10 It is great. I love it and I love that the

3:12 kids are active and they've got something on and running around

3:14 most nights of the week and yeah, stuff, it's good.

3:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. And I know I always think like

3:20 I'm mad busy with that. And then I hear, I stand at

3:22 those things and listen to some of the other parents with what

3:24 they've got because they've got three kids rather than two and.

3:26 Some of them do more than two sports and two activities.

3:29 They do 3:00 and 4:00 and it's like, and I'll kind of go, I

3:33 couldn't survive. 2 is my cab. Yeah. 2 is my cab.

3:36 Yeah. Two each.

3:37 They do. 2 each. That is more than enough, yeah.

3:40 Yeah, for everyone's sanity, that's it.

3:42 I am, you know, in the interest of being really organized, I

3:47 have taken to doing some meal prep and stuff.

3:50 And actually Peter does a lot of meal prep on the weekends as

3:52 well. Yeah.

3:53 Which is helpful because there just isn't time.

3:55 By the time you either you need to eat really quickly before

3:59 sport, or you get home a bit later and then there's no time

4:01 to cook. But then I feel like I'm

4:03 spending all day Sunday just cooking.

4:05 Cooking. Yeah.

4:06 So it's like taking out a whole day of the weekend just to prep,

4:10 but then it doesn't. It doesn't make the week go

4:12 easier. It doesn't.

4:13 Have a double edged sword really.

4:14 Yeah, it is a kind of nice thing about a walk in at that, you

4:16 know, because I mean we have nights where we walk in at six,

4:18 630. Yeah, we're for 7:30.

4:21 Yeah, and we don't get any time. It's like between school and

4:25 that, you know. So it's, it's the first time

4:26 we're walking into the door of home that you kind of like,

4:29 right. You need to be able to run with

4:31 it. I always have the routine in the

4:32 car. There's a certain point in the

4:33 travel where I'm like, this is my point where I start with

4:36 that, right. When we walk through the door

4:38 tonight, I need lunch boxes out of bags.

4:40 I need one in the shower. I need the other one doing this,

4:42 like, yeah. And I'll be cooking dinner and,

4:45 you know, and yeah, they pull something out and microwave it

4:47 or something. I'll Chuck it in the air fryer

4:48 is far easier than starting from scratch.

4:50 And definitely. Yeah.

4:51 Because I mean, I'm meal prep like in that I have everything

4:54 cut up usually, you know, that's how I usually as I haven't

4:57 packed groceries, I cut everything.

4:58 But I've now moved to the whole like, no, I've got a precook.

5:00 Yeah, because it's just and just so you can Chuck something in

5:03 the microwave and that time and heat it up.

5:04 Get it and get it on the table so well As for my boys, you

5:07 know, dish shop something beige and they're happy.

5:09 So you know my an air fryer works.

5:12 Whereas my gourmet child would not.

5:15 That would not suffice. No, no.

5:18 This morning he, God, he's a, he's an absolute character, this

5:23 kid. But this morning he was like,

5:26 oh, what am I gonna have for breakfast?

5:27 And I went into the pantry and our bread was, our bread was

5:31 mouldy like I think I only bought it was really good

5:34 quality Baker's delight bread and.

5:36 I reckon the better quality is means that there's less

5:38 preservatives. Yeah, probably doesn't last as.

5:40 Long I'm I'm wondering if it's 'cause it's been humid and

5:43 humid. Yeah, that'll do it too. 2 day.

5:44 I don't even think I bought it. I think I bought it. 2 days.

5:47 Ago two days is not good. No.

5:49 Oh. God, no, that's not right.

5:50 That's gotta have been sitting on the shelf.

5:52 But it was Baker's delight. Now I reckon that's been one

5:55 that's been missed in their rotation.

5:56 Because that's not gross. So then I'm like, oh, I've got

6:00 no bread. And Lucas was happy because he

6:02 got a wrap. And then he loves a wrap.

6:04 He's just happy to have a wrap. And Ollie found in it in the

6:08 pantry, a cup of tech bokie, you know, the Korean, those Korean

6:14 rice cakes with gochu Jang and cheese sauce.

6:19 So he's like, oh, mum, it's fine.

6:21 I'll have that and a yogurt. So he's like heating this thing

6:25 up in the microwave and he's using all the bits and the

6:28 powders and the sauces and and he brought it to me and it was

6:32 neon orange thing. By the time he finished with it,

6:36 it looked it smelt disgusting. Like I was like, I would not put

6:40 that in my mouth because like mum.

6:42 He was in heaven. The best.

6:44 Oh my God, that kid. Yeah.

6:45 I mean, he's literally like he's thrown together.

6:48 He has literally thrown together a breakfast that anyone else

6:51 would be like, Mum, that's never happened again.

6:53 Make sure we have bread. Where's all these down?

6:56 Like, you know, buy more of that stuff.

6:58 I need more of that, Yeah. Exactly.

7:00 So yeah, he he went off to school very happy this morning.

7:05 Oh, that's amazing. He's gorgeous.

7:06 Oh, that would be so. My kids are so regimented.

7:09 If we're out of one thing, we are screwed.

7:11 Yeah. Yeah.

7:12 I mean my other ones exactly like that's.

7:14 I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

7:16 Yeah, very good. Should we get into today's case?

7:19 Yeah, let's head into Alison and get get going.

7:23 That's it. It'll pick up where we left off

7:24 last week, so you'll hear a little bit of a cut and yeah,

7:28 enjoy. Yeah, I think we start off with

7:31 just days before she goes missing.

7:32 We were up to with with all of that.

7:34 So enjoy as much as you can. But yeah, we'll see you next

7:38 week. Monday the 16th of April 2012.

7:43 This is 3 days, three or four days before her murder.

7:47 We don't know exactly the time. Of her murder before after

7:49 midnight, yeah. Gerard went to see Alison's

7:54 therapist these few days before which he then decides later on

7:59 to use to his advantage. Like, oh look, I was really

8:02 trying to work at my marriage and I was like really working

8:04 hard. Like 3 days before this

8:06 happened. We were at counselling and we

8:07 were really working through it. Like that worked to his

8:10 advantage, didn't it? The night before.

8:14 Are we ready for the night before?

8:16 Yes. So we're talking Thursday the

8:18 18th of April. Yeah.

8:20 Now in 2012, yeah, Ellison goes to get her hair done.

8:25 Yeah. And she had it dyed.

8:27 She was a box redhead. Is that what they call it?

8:30 I think she was naturally quite Orbanish anyway, but she had

8:33 the. Yeah, she had, like, really

8:35 beautiful hair. And she'd gone to the

8:36 hairdresser anyway because she had a real estate conference she

8:41 was attending the next day and obviously wanted to.

8:44 Nas was probably due for having a regrowth done.

8:46 I know when I get to that point, I cannot wait for that

8:50 appointment to come. To come pass.

8:52 But I think I can see, I don't know in this, I can see her like

8:55 coming out in terms of getting back into her work life too.

8:59 Because she's gone from fairly, you know, doing so well at

9:02 Flight Centre and being quite, you know, executive status to

9:05 then having children and being stay at home mom.

9:07 And she was bloody good at it. And this is sort of her coming

9:11 out in terms of her returning to work life because she at this

9:14 stage had a 10 year old, an 8 year old and a 5 year old.

9:17 So, you know, they're all at school.

9:18 And she's like, I'm getting back into my work life to be like,

9:21 like, you feel like you're going back into that kind of mode of

9:23 going, getting dressed up to go to like a work function and

9:26 present yourself. I don't.

9:28 I could just see her being excited about that and that

9:30 other part of herself being able to be utilized.

9:32 You know, you're no longer just mom.

9:34 Now you're both like it's yeah, just makes me sad.

9:38 It makes me sad too. Yeah, that's really sad that

9:41 night. So the conference that was to be

9:47 on the 19th was going to be not only attended by Alice.

9:52 The 20th, sorry. The 19th.

9:56 The next day, the Friday the 19th.

9:58 No, the the conference was on the 20th.

10:00 Oh, was it? Yeah.

10:01 Oh, OK. I thought she had her hair done

10:03 on the 18th. She might have, but the

10:05 conference was definitely that she.

10:06 So yeah, it was definitely. The 20th OK, so she oh, that

10:11 doesn't anyway, that's fine. She basically, you know, she

10:17 knows she's going to attend this conference and somehow, Tony,

10:23 how did Tony McHugh find out that Allison was attending the

10:26 conference? Did Jared?

10:27 Jared. Told her?

10:28 Yeah. He just conveniently didn't tell

10:30 her until the day before. But Allison knew Tony was gonna

10:35 be there. No, yeah, she knew that.

10:38 He told her that night. So Tony told Jared, you need to

10:43 tell Alison that I'm going to be there as well.

10:45 And that was sort of the catalyst of.

10:47 A point of contention. That night their their argument

10:49 was because I think which we don't know, but from what we can

10:53 take of what's happened, yeah, from what Tony McHugh has, you

10:56 know, sudden stand and said sort of what's going on that quite

11:00 possibly that night was the conversation of well, yeah, my

11:03 my fling is going to be there and Alison being upset about

11:07 that, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. At 4:59 that evening, Allison's

11:13 friend texted her about some dresses.

11:16 So her friend's name is Carrie Anne.

11:17 She texted her about some dresses that Allison had

11:20 borrowed to attend a real estate bowl that had happened in the

11:22 weeks prior. Yeah.

11:25 And at 750, Allison replied. Well, a reply came from

11:29 Allison's phone that said of course I'm sorry that you had to

11:34 chase them up. I'm attending a conference

11:36 tomorrow. I can drop them to you by 6:00

11:38 tomorrow night, or do you need them before that at 925?

11:42 Kerry replied. All good, need them for next

11:44 week. Feel like I haven't seen you in

11:45 ages. Hope everyone's OK.

11:47 Let's have lunch soon. She never got a reply to that

11:50 text message. Kerry Anne actually says that

11:57 the message from Allison was more formal and apologetic than

12:00 she expected because they were besties.

12:02 And so she would have. She did.

12:03 She certainly didn't expect Allison to be like, oh, I'm so

12:05 sorry. Oh, I didn't give you your

12:07 addresses back. She would have been just like,

12:08 yeah, I'll drop them off whenever.

12:09 You know, we'll figure this situation out.

12:13 Did Jared send the message? Yeah, there's a thought that.

12:15 Maybe that night it's possible. We don't know.

12:18 We don't actually know. Jared's account of what happened

12:22 that night is that at 10:00 he went to bed and Allison was

12:27 watching The Footy Show with his on her own on the couch.

12:33 Apparently he's a really deep sleeper.

12:34 Yeah. Apparently didn't stare at all

12:37 at all throughout the entire night.

12:40 He woke at 6:00 AM and Allison wasn't there, but she goes for a

12:44 walk early sometimes, but she doesn't.

12:47 But she doesn't. But she does.

12:51 Jared was quite concerned when at 7:00 AM she hadn't returned

12:54 because she had to leave shortly thereafter to leave by 7:00 AM

12:58 to get 715 or something to leave to the conference.

13:00 So when she wasn't back by 7, he's like, oh, I'm a bit

13:03 worried. So he called his dad and sister

13:07 to come over to look after the girls.

13:09 Texted her like prior to that saying like, you know, Oh,

13:12 morning love. Yeah.

13:13 Yeah, texted Alison. Just.

13:14 Letting you know, you know, like I'm here and you know when you

13:17 get back or whatever this is happening.

13:19 Like, and then and then he wrote in that text message.

13:21 Love Jared. Yeah.

13:23 Like he wouldn't have written that.

13:24 No, it's you're not writing a love letter.

13:26 No, you're writing a text message.

13:27 Dude, no one signs off a text message.

13:30 Yeah, yeah. Next time I send you a text, I'm

13:32 going to sign off Love. Emma.

13:33 I love Emma because I didn't know he sent me that.

13:36 Yeah, like a fucking idiot. Like obviously you've staged

13:39 that. Seriously.

13:42 Now what happened next? He basically decided to go out

13:49 and look for her in the car they had.

13:51 They owned two cars. They owned a Holden Captiva,

13:54 which was only about 8 weeks old.

13:55 I. Believe.

13:55 Did I tell you literally? I think we picked up our cars

13:59 like the same week. Oh wow, Holden Craptivas.

14:02 Well, your Craptiva just died a few weeks ago.

14:05 After The Wreckers now I find that I found that really but

14:08 literally 8 weeks old. At that point I was like, Oh my

14:10 God, that's like literally the week that we might have must

14:13 have picked up. Our that's so funny as well.

14:15 That's so funny. They also owned a Prado, Toyota

14:19 Prado. So when he was out apparently

14:23 driving the route that she would normally walk on which she

14:26 didn't normally walk, so I don't know what he was driving, he

14:29 decided to dial 000 from his car.

14:32 Prior to that, though, he had actually called his parents, as

14:35 I mean, because he called them every second of every day and

14:38 asked their opinions on everything.

14:40 He got his dad to come over. Yeah.

14:42 And his sister. His sister.

14:43 Came over, but his sister actually ended up driving around

14:46 as well. Yeah, just the dad was left at

14:47 home with the girls. Yeah, they stayed.

14:49 With the girls, well, he was gonna drive around so obviously.

14:51 So at this point, like the girls are taken care of, yeah.

14:53 And watched at home by dad and yeah, so, yeah, so, and he's,

15:00 but he's in the car, so it's 7:14 AM He decides to call 000.

15:04 Well, prior to that he did do a Google search to call Queensland

15:08 police. So he wasn't necessarily looking

15:12 to call emergency 000, which is our emergency number.

15:16 But then yeah, dial 000, obviously.

15:18 Well, they. Advised him to dial 000, which I

15:21 guess is the standard procedure in this case because it needed

15:24 it. You know a missing person

15:25 requires it, but. Just that Google search will

15:27 come up later. Yes, it will, yeah.

15:29 So he basically said, oh, this is my wife, she's missing.

15:33 This is really unusual. And the 000 operator basically

15:41 said that's fine, took down all of her details, like what she

15:43 was possibly wearing, her height, all that sort of stuff.

15:46 Yeah. And he's very.

15:47 Calm in the in the call and that sort of stuff.

15:49 But I guess pretty early to be for an adult going missing.

15:54 Yeah, I would have probably called friends 1st and all those

15:57 sorts of things and been a little bit more.

15:58 I just wouldn't. Wouldn't have thought you'd go

16:02 there that quickly, no? 'Cause like the other thing that

16:04 I think pretty early on, I mean, well, the cops rocked up and

16:06 they were red flag immediately, but we'll get there.

16:09 But one of the other thing was that they asked him, you know,

16:12 we kind of, and then down the track of police are involved and

16:15 they've asked the question. Well, have you contacted like

16:17 the conference? Is she already there?

16:18 Yeah. Like, has she gone?

16:20 Yeah. Did she just leave earlier for

16:22 the conference than you thought? And so and it was like, oh,

16:24 didn't even think of that. Like then both.

16:26 Cars were still at the residence, but like then, they

16:28 were. Like, because she had been

16:29 picked up by someone, like, and it could.

16:31 Yeah. So we've only hadn't even

16:32 actually done any of that due diligence of checking for an

16:36 adult person. Yeah.

16:38 Yeah. Hadn't done any of those things.

16:39 It was immediately like, yeah, I'm driving around looking for

16:43 in random spots. I'll call the police now.

16:46 Like, it was, it was quite, Yeah.

16:47 Interesting SO. The 000 operator dispatched 2

16:52 constables to 593 Brookfield Rd. Brookfield, which was the house

16:56 they were renting at the time. These two constables, hats off

17:01 to the high. They were all over it right from

17:04 the get go, so they immediately noticed.

17:07 You'd hope. You'd hope any cop was seeing

17:09 what they saw. But the fact.

17:10 That they acted on it, yes. So quickly they you know, they

17:14 did an amazing job. Yes they immediately noticed

17:17 scratch marks on Jared's face. The house smelt like bleach and

17:22 was so clean and what? Was his father doing his father?

17:27 Was putting a vacuum cleaner into the back of his car that.

17:31 I just want to hear your thoughts on that.

17:34 Well. Obviously, so this is the other

17:36 thing that the so the police officers were like, can we have

17:38 a look around the house? And Jared was like, Yep,

17:40 absolutely. He was very.

17:41 Comfortable for him to walk into the house.

17:43 Yep, he was. More than happy for them to do

17:44 that now, Jared. They they were like, oh mate,

17:47 how'd you get those marks on your face?

17:49 And Jared's like, oh, cut myself shaving this morning.

17:52 Oh, that we put. Photos of them on our socials.

17:55 They go into the bathroom and they're like, there was not one

17:58 bloody tissue in the in the waste bin.

18:01 There was not an any evidence of because there was significant

18:04 scratches. Yeah, there would have been a

18:06 lot of blood. Yeah.

18:08 Not one drop of blood to be found.

18:10 No, not one bloody tissue in any bin that they looked in, but.

18:15 What he did do was he'd got up that morning, put on shaving

18:19 cream and shaved his face. Yep, he actually got one of his

18:23 daughters to come in and watch him do that and help him put a

18:27 Band-Aid on one of those cuts that didn't.

18:31 Believe that morning he was implicating his own child.

18:37 Yep. So that if they asked her or did

18:39 you see Daddy shaving this morning, they would say, yeah, I

18:42 even helped Daddy put a Band-Aid on.

18:46 Fucking piece but that. He didn't.

18:48 There's no way so. What had what had Nigel been

18:53 vacuuming up? And, well, what was in that

18:54 making? Well, I have a theory.

18:56 Oh please. 'Cause I nothing else gets

18:59 mentioned of this in anything I've read or heard.

19:02 All I know is he put a vacuum in the back of his boot.

19:05 What the fuck is he putting a vacuum in the back of his car

19:07 for? When is?

19:08 Daughter in law's missing hello, red flag.

19:11 Well, clearly so the police officers basically said no, you

19:15 need to leave that, bring that in back inside.

19:17 You're not putting that in your car no.

19:19 And then they actually seized the car later on as well for

19:22 like, as in Nigel's car for forensic testing.

19:25 But this is my theory as to why he wanted to get rid of the yeah

19:31 thing. So should I say it now or no?

19:33 You know what? Let's get through the story and

19:35 then I'll tell you why. OK, no Happy.

19:36 To come back. All right, cool.

19:38 So. Yeah, immediately, Jared, that

19:43 the police officers say. Any reason you think your wife

19:46 might have gone missing? And she's like, and he was like,

19:47 well, I did have an affair, but that's well and truly over by

19:50 now. Oh, but she's been working, but

19:52 she's depressed. She's really depressed.

19:53 It's like it was really hard on her.

19:56 Of course it'd be hard on she might.

19:57 Be she's been mentally unstable. She is taking antidepressant

20:01 medication and anyway, so they. The other thing he said is like

20:07 her grey tracksuit's missing from the wardrobe.

20:10 She's got two track suits. She either wears a black

20:11 tracksuit when she goes walking or she wears a grey one and the

20:14 grey one's missing. Yeah, the grey one's missing and

20:17 her shoes aren't where they normally are.

20:20 OK, cool, cool, cool. The constables immediately

20:24 called in their superiors as soon as.

20:26 They saw those marks on his face.

20:27 They were like this. Is red black Now when Jared

20:35 contacted 000, he hadn't even contacted her parents at that

20:39 point, right? So they actually didn't arrive

20:42 at the house until 11:00 and they state that they went to the

20:46 house as soon as they found out something was wrong.

20:48 So they didn't know. I don't know.

20:50 I don't actually know whether Jared informed them or whether

20:53 the police informed them that Alison was missing.

20:55 I don't know. Jared apparently when they

20:59 walked in and and Jeff Allison's dad said this made his skin

21:04 prickle but when he walked in in front of the police officers he

21:08 said to them hi mum and dad. Oh.

21:11 Allison's parents. Oh, that's a bit weird.

21:16 Very weird. And by the sounds of things to

21:17 Jeff, if he's got a bit of a prickle from that, that's not

21:20 normally how we would speak to that.

21:21 Well, apparently. Sometimes he would, but it was

21:24 always in in front of other people because really performing

21:27 when it was. Yeah, yeah.

21:28 Yeah, now at this point he, Jared, pulled aside.

21:35 So he's Jared's sister was there, Olivia, Nigel was there,

21:39 and then Allison's two parents were there.

21:42 He pulled them all aside and said to them, I've contacted a

21:46 lawyer. Now, Allison's been missing.

21:48 Sorry, 4 hours by this .5 hours Max if you think from 6:00 AM to

21:53 11:00 AM. Yeah, I've contacted a lawyer

21:56 and I have been advised not to make a formal statement.

21:59 And Jeff was like why? Why have you contacted a lawyer?

22:04 Yeah like we don't even know what's going on yet.

22:07 I think his. Response to that was literally

22:08 something along the lines of all because you know, they they

22:10 quite often look at the husband at this time.

22:14 The police asked whether Gerard would let them photograph his

22:18 scratches, so they did so at the house at that point.

22:21 Yeah, but it wasn't a forensic photo.

22:23 So they literally just took a photo of his face.

22:26 There was no rulers, nothing like that involved.

22:28 So that comes a bit later. Yeah, that comes later.

22:32 The police imply like the police were, yeah, just trying to suss

22:37 out exactly movements and what had gone on that morning.

22:41 And Gerard was adamant, oh, I would never leave my kids.

22:43 So I got my dad to come over before I went looking for her.

22:47 Yeah. OK.

22:48 Yeah, he refused. To speak to the media that like

22:52 so the the police asked for a plea to the public, you know,

22:55 with media and he refused to do that, which meant that her

22:59 parents then stood there and did that.

23:01 And if you you watch that, it's heartbreaking.

23:03 They are desperate for any information about where she is

23:08 as oppo and opposed to that a few days later, because the the

23:11 media kind of jumped on all this and they were all over him.

23:14 There is a moment where he does give a an impromptu media.

23:19 He speaks to the media. This is at the front.

23:21 Of his mum and dad's house now, because the police had secured

23:24 their home, is a crime scene pretty much straightaway after

23:27 that. Yeah, if you watch that one

23:29 where he speaks, it's like, it's like a moment where I think the

23:32 public literally go from, you know, oh, could the husband have

23:35 done this too? Oh my God, he's so guilty.

23:38 He literally the way he speaks in that media moment is just so

23:42 fake. I know I've written down, oh, I

23:48 knew I'd written down a quote from that.

23:50 Oh, yeah, yeah. That appeal that he'd made, the

23:54 crocodile tears like he's like, no, no tears in his eyes.

23:58 No. I just want everybody to know

24:02 that I've helped the police as much as I can.

24:06 I haven't. No, you haven't.

24:08 No. He.

24:08 Categorically was like, you know, but I've let them do

24:10 everything and I've, I've helped them where I can.

24:13 I'm just not giving a formal statement.

24:15 Well, actually a formal statement would help.

24:17 Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, kind of

24:19 what they need and you've got nothing.

24:20 To hide. Why wouldn't you do that?

24:23 So just really quickly as well, Yeah.

24:25 When the police secured the house as a crime scene, they

24:28 also secured the cars that were on the property, and they

24:31 noticed that in the boot of the Captiva.

24:33 So apparently there was like a carport type situation.

24:36 Yes. And the Captiva was reversed

24:38 into the carport. And then the Prado was kind of

24:41 like in front of the Captiva, like just a bit off to the side

24:45 of it, Yeah. Bit awkward to get to the Yeah,

24:47 bit awkward. Little bit yeah, yeah.

24:49 But also, like, you know, the Captiva was backed in doable.

24:53 the IT was doable. The police are sort of like

24:58 looking at the cars and just doing a first, their first

25:00 visual sort of assessment of what was going on.

25:04 And they noticed there were kids toys in the back of the Captiva,

25:08 but they were all nicely boxed. And it's not like they were toys

25:12 strewn over the car. Like I mean, if you have a look

25:14 at any of our cars, so. Yeah, like things you know,

25:17 around in the car, you've got balls.

25:19 You've got kids, Shit. Everywhere, yeah, yeah, this was

25:21 like placed and where where things would not be then when

25:25 you were driving around, it was very.

25:27 And then the housekeeper, yes, Said to the police, those toys

25:31 have been under the house for years.

25:33 They're not they're actually, you know, they're 10/8 and five,

25:35 they don't play with those. They were like.

25:37 Literal baby toys. Yeah, he'd obviously gotten out

25:40 of under the house and cigarette.

25:42 Oh. Yeah, the boots full of things

25:44 like you kind of put something in there.

25:46 Yeah, because then because the boot was full.

25:48 Full of kids toys. Yeah, because.

25:51 Then they found in like, so no, in the Captiva like I do in the

25:55 3rd row of Saints in the 3rd row of seats, which like you lay

25:59 down like, you know, if you're in the boot, like they lay down

26:02 right. So or you can pull them up and

26:04 have a third row. There was a belt buckle which

26:07 had this stain on it, which was described as looking like, like

26:11 maybe a, a soft drink spill kind of thing as to how it looked to

26:15 the eye, which was later tested and found to be blood and did

26:19 return DNA of Ellison bathing clays.

26:23 So yeah, there was clearly something.

26:26 Going on going. On the boot, yeah, I mean.

26:30 How? Like, explain to me how

26:31 Ellison's. Blood.

26:33 Well, as I said, it was an 8 week old.

26:34 Eight week old. Car like this isn't, this is.

26:36 Not in the boot. Too.

26:37 Like I mean I've got 3 rows in my car, I've literally never

26:41 been in the back row. I wouldn't have ever like, been

26:43 in there, no. Same.

26:44 I know what you mean. Like you just don't.

26:46 It's the kids that's the kids. Don't like the kids?

26:48 Go back there, there's barely any.

26:49 Air back there. No, I'm not going there.

26:50 Freaking air. You've been in life, in the.

26:54 Back of your Actually that is a funny story one day.

26:57 This is before you got rid of the captain.

26:59 Just struggling. Along.

27:00 I can't even. Remember where we were going?

27:02 But we had like heaps of people in the car and we were driving

27:05 into the city for some reason and I was like, I'll volunteer

27:09 to go in the back back. It's fine, don't worry guys.

27:11 But unbeknownst to me at that time, I thought it was a.

27:14 Really hot day, but. Unbeknownst to me, the middle

27:18 row doesn't even have no, not in a.

27:19 Captain, no, there's no air for any children.

27:21 Yeah. So not only did the middle row

27:24 people not have any air, I was like stuck in the back, no

27:27 windows. I'm like suffocating in there.

27:30 Wherever we were going, I remember getting out of the car

27:32 and being like my underwraped. It was freaking.

27:35 Hot. It was so hot.

27:36 Bloody hot. That and I was like dripping

27:39 with sweat. It was so gross.

27:42 So yeah, don't go in the back. No, no, that's for the kids.

27:44 The kids, The kids. They deal with heat better.

27:46 Yeah. Fun.

27:47 Yeah. Yeah, they coat.

27:48 Yeah. The police have started

27:50 canvassing the area. Yeah.

27:52 And they've started to gather statements from neighbors and

27:57 that kind of thing. And there were multiple reports

28:00 of, like, different types of screams.

28:02 Some described it as a Yelp. Some described it as a scream.

28:07 Three to four different reports of different noises and

28:10 unfortunately slightly different times.

28:11 But I think when you know, if someone said, oh, what time did

28:14 you hear that scream? Like, oh, I don't know.

28:15 It was like, well, I don't know, 9, but it could have been seven.

28:18 It could have been 10, like, who knows?

28:21 One neighbor said she heard a sharp, startled Yelp somewhere

28:26 between 7:30 and 9:00 PM. Another woman said she heard a

28:30 scream just before 10:00 PM. So there's lots of things going

28:35 on. But what the police actually

28:37 found was a neighbor. I, I think it was diagonally

28:40 across the road from from Allison's house.

28:46 She came home with her teenage children and her teenage

28:49 daughter walked through a spider web at about 10:00 and screamed.

28:55 So now the police are like, well, what are people hearing?

28:57 Are they hearing something that happened with Allison or are

29:00 they hearing this girl who walked through a spider web

29:03 having a having a bit of a tanty about it?

29:05 Yeah, don't blame. Her.

29:06 Oh well. Yeah, I guess, I mean, and

29:09 Queensland have some pretty gnarly, yeah.

29:12 Insects, Yeah. So, OK, fine.

29:17 OK, so by Saturday, the police wanted to know the name and

29:23 phone number of the woman that Jared had told them when he

29:28 reported Ellison missing. They wanted to know who that

29:30 was, this affair that he'd reported.

29:33 What's her name and number? And he's like, oh, her name's

29:35 Tony McHugh, but oh, I'd have to go and find her number.

29:38 I don't know where her number is.

29:39 Then he's fucking Dick. God, he's a fuck wit.

29:42 He's straight on the blower to her to say, oh, by the way, the

29:45 police are about to contact you. Seriously, dude, what?

29:51 He rang? No, he rang her while she was

29:54 talking to the police. That was later on, I think.

29:57 Was it always? Yeah, No, I'm pretty sure that

29:58 was later on. I think that was when they

30:00 formally interviewed her, right. Well, I think he.

30:02 Because he rang her and like we're saying to it, we have to

30:04 lay low. Like, you know, Yeah, that and

30:06 she's literally being interviewed by the police.

30:08 Yeah, that was. When he when she was being

30:11 interviewed. Dickhead they.

30:14 Asked him around the same time, I think it was in that same

30:16 phone call where they hit, where they were asking for Tony's

30:18 number. They asked him to come into the

30:21 station for some forensic photos and he decided to do that.

30:24 So I don't really get you're cooperating with having photos

30:29 of these scratches taken, but you're not willing to give a

30:31 formal statement. So I don't know what that.

30:33 Is well, I think he had to like, I mean, if he said no, he was

30:35 that was I think that was more incriminating than anything.

30:38 Yeah. Because so he he had the

30:39 scratches on his face. He also had some on his chest,

30:42 which I'm sorry, I find this hilarious.

30:44 Same that these ones on his chest were really interesting.

30:49 I, I, I've seen photos of them and you can't really go and kind

30:52 of get a, a gauge on really what could have created this mess on

30:56 his chest. Yeah, I'm guessing probably

30:59 fingernails again and that sort of stuff.

31:00 But he claimed that he'd been at a cross country event for his

31:04 daughter at school. And people do remember this

31:07 incident where he was in this is some days before kind of stuff,

31:10 the herb going missing that he did really kind of like, oh, oh,

31:14 wow. Something did bite him.

31:16 Where on the body? I don't know.

31:18 I thought that there was something on his neck.

31:20 Yeah. I think someone saw like.

31:22 A Welt come up. That's true.

31:23 It was his neck. Now you say that, yes.

31:25 And so it wasn't. It didn't.

31:26 Explain chest. But he did.

31:28 He claimed that oh, I got attacked by cattle.

31:31 The killer caterpillars now. Later on, this was absolutely

31:34 disputed by a entomologist who testified at the trial and they

31:40 were like in Queensland we don't have caterpillars that crawl up

31:43 things and fall. We have, but they also.

31:46 Don't have anything that create the a bite like.

31:48 As such, we have ground. Dwelling caterpillars that bite,

31:52 yeah, but we don't have ones that live in trees and will fall

31:54 on you and bite you. So no.

31:56 No. That they'll try again, but

31:59 there's no way this wasn't a bite.

32:00 It was they were scratches like it wasn't a bite at all.

32:03 So that one on. His chest like it almost looks

32:06 like maybe like a bruise type bruise.

32:09 Like yes and but still. There was definitely like

32:11 scratch. Type scraping like yeah yeah,

32:14 have a. Look at the photos online.

32:16 They're interesting. How?

32:16 They are interesting, but they also, so they photographed him

32:19 actually three times at the with the police.

32:22 So because they by the time they got to the third one, they were

32:25 like, actually, you know what, we should just get a full body

32:28 photograph of him. So they they hadn't done the

32:31 lower half of his body. They'd only done upper half.

32:34 So they were like, can you come back down again like for another

32:36 check? Because sorry, the other thing

32:38 he had was on his hands with scratch Marks and things too

32:41 that the police noticed again on that very first day.

32:43 But he'd been gardening, Meg. Yes, he.

32:45 Claimed he'd been guarding and helping his neighbor.

32:47 Yeah, yeah. But they didn't really present

32:50 in anything that would have. I've done that because he did.

32:53 Yeah, he sort of, he did sort of explain that away of how he was

32:57 doing that. But anyway, so.

33:00 Yeah. So he's going in for his third

33:02 photograph of his injuries and what does he do?

33:07 He runs, drives his car into a pole.

33:11 No to a. Concrete pylon?

33:13 Yeah. At a bus stop.

33:15 At a bus stop, like a not a bus stop, a bus station, yeah.

33:18 But no, there were no skid marks prior to this.

33:21 Like kind of he'd literally plowed into it.

33:23 But he was then come like, so he gets out of the car after this

33:28 accident and falls on the ground and drags himself along the

33:31 ground as if, you know, like his legs don't now work yelling.

33:35 Somebody kept my lawyer. I did my lawyer all this drama.

33:39 And so they've like, they're like, these people are like,

33:42 they don't know who he is. No one knows who he is.

33:44 They're like, what is going on? The paramedics do eventually

33:47 arrive. Who again, he kept repeating to

33:50 them, you need to get my lawyer. My lawyer.

33:52 I'm not speaking to anyone. I'm not going to tell you

33:55 anything about what's happened. Like what the paramedics are

33:58 like, who is this guy? We don't know.

34:00 They don't know who well, they're thinking.

34:01 Mental. Some kind of mental health

34:03 crisis because he's driven his car into hell and although he

34:05 wasn't actually going up fast, no.

34:08 But so the then eventually the cops do rock up to this scene

34:11 and who immediately recognised who he was and his his.

34:16 Lawyer also rocked up his lawyer got.

34:17 There 'cause they don't know who called him.

34:19 No, there was no no one at the scene knew who his lawyer was.

34:22 There were no one other than him would have been able to call the

34:24 lawyer paramedics. Certainly didn't, no, they don't

34:27 know who. By the time the police.

34:28 I think by the time the police got there, the lawyer was

34:30 already there. He was already there.

34:31 Yeah, yeah. So who and what they were?

34:34 And this lawyer was advising these paramedics, saying he's

34:36 not gonna talk about what's going on, you know, like, and

34:39 they're like, but who is this guy?

34:40 Like we're actually gonna. Treat this guy who's had a car

34:43 accident and he kept. Them saying Jerry kept saying

34:45 I'm so sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry and one of the cops took

34:49 this moment and asked him are you sorry about the accident or

34:54 something else mate? And his response was something

34:58 else. So the cop was like hoping that

35:01 this was going to be a, you know, a declaration of what it

35:05 what he was sorry for or some sort of confession, But the

35:07 lawyer has stepped in and stopped that.

35:10 So that didn't carry on to getting any, any further

35:12 information. But he's gone off to then the,

35:15 the, the on the in the ambulance.

35:17 And obviously this has sort of given the cops a bit of an

35:19 opportunity here because they have been able to do a full

35:21 assessment psychologically on him to then to that.

35:25 What that did was to prove that he was of full sound mind mind.

35:29 And so. He couldn't then later in court

35:31 claim insanity in terms of which I think.

35:34 This is when he has just by by doing whatever the fuck he

35:37 thought he was doing here, he's actually done himself a massive

35:39 disservice. The only thing?

35:41 I could think of what he was doing was now or the other thing

35:43 that did do in the court case was that some of his injuries,

35:47 some of the scratches and things couldn't be admissible because

35:50 they couldn't know if they happened at during the car

35:53 accident it's or most. Notably that chest, that chest

35:58 injury, because they're like, oh, it's a seat belt from like,

36:01 yeah, the stopping suddenly on a concrete pilot.

36:05 And he was actually driving a friend's car at the time too,

36:09 because I think his car had been in.

36:10 Like their their cars were. Being forensically tested so

36:15 just fucking Oh my. God, like what on earth?

36:19 This guy? Seriously, I just can't.

36:23 He's a weird. Weird dude.

36:25 All right. So we up to 10 days later, yeah.

36:28 Ten days later, so. Canoeist is paddling down the

36:31 Brisbane River which is such beautiful spot stunning and off

36:36 the Brisbane River is a number of smaller creeks and things

36:39 that that breakaway into it. Yep, and this Padlet, which he

36:43 went down this collar Creek, which is not well used at all.

36:47 He knew of a spot, particularly where he was aiming for.

36:50 It's a lot narrower and a lot more bushy, those sorts of

36:53 things. So he's paddled down this river,

36:54 the Creek, sorry, and he's got further in and it and he's

36:58 unfortunate on the side of the the the RIP, the bank has

37:01 noticed what he at first he was kind of like, what is that?

37:03 But he did. He was.

37:04 No, that's definitely a a body. And he knew it was.

37:08 Probably Allison by what she was wearing and by the appeal that

37:12 the place was so. Public.

37:14 At this point, everyone knew. About it and he could sort of

37:16 kind of tell the colour of the person's hair.

37:18 Couldn't really make out any other features because

37:21 unfortunately the body was in a fairly awful state of

37:24 decomposition and also it was almost, it was inaccessible.

37:27 So if you have a look at the photos of where her body was

37:30 found, it was like a really steep and bushy embankment

37:33 straight into the water. So there was actually nowhere

37:36 for him to get out of his kayak to actually go and access the.

37:39 Area and so it was to his under the bridge yeah to.

37:42 His yes, to his credit, he just paddled as fast as he could,

37:46 Yeah. And found a phone and and

37:48 contacted the police and they arrived.

37:50 On scene immediately, yeah. But getting her body out was

37:53 tricky because of where it was. But they ended up AB sailing.

37:56 There was a bridge, as you said, and they ended up AB sailing

37:59 down the bridge to to gather her body and all of the evidence

38:03 around her body. And again, thankfully they did

38:06 their jobs the way they were meant to and they collected a

38:09 lot of forensic samples before they moved her body.

38:11 And this included samples of the water?

38:14 Yeah. They also any sort of bushes,

38:18 shrubs, trees, leaves, anything that was on her body, they have

38:22 bagged and sent away for forensic testing.

38:26 Yeah. And in all parts of this, I have

38:28 to say the cops did an an an incredible job.

38:31 They. Really did, Yeah, yeah.

38:33 You can't fault. You can't fault them.

38:35 No. They did everything they were

38:36 meant to do, and they did it to the NTH degree, yes.

38:40 Yeah. Have you heard about the couple

38:43 who lived just off Collar Creek? Yes.

38:46 So on the road that Collar Creek kind of, you know, that goes

38:52 down the side of the Creek basically, which is quite

38:56 remote. If you have a look at it on

38:57 Google Maps, there's not a lot around.

38:59 It's very bushy area, but let's just.

39:01 Sort of flag to Jared sold houses in that area.

39:04 Yep. In the area, yeah, it was about

39:07 what, 12 KS from where they lived, 1314 KS 13, Yep.

39:10 Yeah. So yeah, that just gives a bit

39:13 of so. Not walking distance in that if

39:16 she's going for a walk before picking, taking the girls off to

39:18 school, et cetera. I mean this would be a 26K round

39:21 trip from where she was found and she only had.

39:23 One hour, yeah. So she's not like if.

39:26 She's left home at 6:00 AM doing half a.

39:28 Half a marathon, like yeah, no. You know, and she knew she had

39:31 somewhere to be. She wouldn't.

39:32 She didn't have time to walk 26 No, you might do a. 5K walk in

39:35 the morning like I think not 13, that's right.

39:37 Then back home again, another 13, No.

39:41 So the wife in this couple was a flight attendant.

39:45 Yeah. And she had a 5:30 AM call time

39:48 at the airport, so she had to leave super, super, super, super

39:50 early. Yeah, during the night, they

39:53 were awoken by their dog at about 12:30 in the morning.

39:56 The dog was howling. Apparently this is quite

39:58 unusual, although it had happened a couple of times

40:01 before and it was like an animal had come onto their property.

40:05 So they actually went out onto their veranda tablet to see if

40:08 they could see anything. And what they saw was really

40:11 interesting. First of all, they heard some

40:13 mumbling voices. And they saw two cars driving

40:17 down the road. Now this is a road that not many

40:19 people drove down during the middle of the day, let alone at

40:23 12:30 at night. The first, there were two cars.

40:27 The first car, this is this gets me.

40:30 The first car had the headlights on.

40:32 The second car was trailing extremely close behind and did

40:37 not have the headlights on. Now the first car, they believe

40:42 the person, the man, the man, the husband of that of that

40:46 family believed that it was similar to a holding Captiva.

40:53 SUV style SUV. Hatchbacky type style.

41:02 The coroner attended the site, so let's just leave that the

41:06 testimony for now. The coroner attended the site

41:10 and found that the body that they'd found in Color Creek was

41:14 really badly decomposed, so not immediately identifiable as

41:19 Ellison. They, the coroner performed ACT

41:24 scan and found that there were no fractures to her body

41:27 whatsoever and her hyoid bone was intact.

41:30 So we made. We know that means she was

41:32 probably not strangled. Yeah, her lungs.

41:36 The CT scan of her lungs showed that she hadn't drowned.

41:39 And so her deposit into the Creek, if that had ever

41:43 happened, say she'd washed up there.

41:45 Yeah, she hadn't died by drowning.

41:47 They also. Showed though where the body was

41:49 and the levels of the water, there was no way that even like

41:52 the tides et cetera at high tide, the water hadn't reached

41:56 as far as where her body was found so it's not even though

41:58 she could have washed up to that point of where she was found

42:02 yeah, so they. Believe her body had been

42:03 placed. Her body had never.

42:04 Been in the water? It was.

42:06 Yeah. Placed further up, yeah, I guess

42:09 maybe fall into the arrow. Yeah, there.

42:10 Were three injuries found on autopsy?

42:13 Yes. The first was a subdural

42:14 hemorrhage. The second was a chipped tooth.

42:17 And they don't know exactly when that happened.

42:19 Yeah, but certainly the haemorrhage was severe enough

42:22 that it could have caused her death.

42:24 It was likely to have caused her death.

42:26 They also found a bruise on her left inner chest wall.

42:29 Yeah. Which?

42:31 It wasn't, it was mild, it wasn't what they called.

42:35 They're sort of spoken as being not as extensive as the head

42:40 injury. Yeah.

42:41 Due to the level of decomposition of her body, they

42:43 weren't able to get a blood sample from sort of any venous

42:47 blood at all. So they were able to get a a

42:51 sample from her liver for toxicology analysis.

42:54 And the the analysis did show Zoloft in her system.

42:58 Yeah, her cause of death was ruled by the coroner as

43:03 inconclusive. So there wasn't any real smoking

43:06 gun, No. They couldn't, yeah, pinpoint

43:09 their cause of death, but did rule it suspicious?

43:12 Yes. And not Yeah, they didn't.

43:15 Yeah, they didn't really rule out anything, did they?

43:16 No, they. Didn't rule anything out, No.

43:20 Allison had three life insurance policies in her name totalling

43:24 just under $1,000,000. They were taken out well and

43:28 trillion in advance of her death.

43:29 So I'm not suggesting that that these were taken out, you know,

43:33 weeks before she died. 1 was taken out in 2002, were taken

43:36 out in 2008, and she died in 2012.

43:40 The suspicious part of this was, though, a week before her death,

43:44 Jared contacted one of the insurers and asked for details

43:48 regarding the policy, especially specifically.

43:51 Sorry, payout of the policy. They wouldn't talk to him, but

43:56 it was noted in their system that he'd made the call.

43:58 It was. Also noted that he made a call a

44:00 few days after her body was found asking if since she's dead

44:06 now, do I still need to continue making the premium payments?

44:11 So. And when can we get payout?

44:13 Yeah, you know, he made that call before Allison was

44:15 positively identified, so. Don't even I didn't hear I just

44:19 knew it was after but I wasn't sure how far after but it was.

44:21 Literally the day after they found her body and the coroner

44:25 still hadn't made. I mean, obviously assuming it

44:27 was her, but it was. Not yeah, absolutely.

44:29 Everything sort of pointed to the fact that it was probably

44:31 her, but they had not had definitively had.

44:34 Identified that I mean there was still a chance you know, low at

44:37 that, but that randomly you find out oh gosh no this is some poor

44:41 old or other person like yeah yeah yeah fucking.

44:44 Asshole. What a Dick.

44:46 He tried to expedite her birth. Sorry.

44:49 Her death certificate. Yeah, so that he could get the

44:52 payouts quicker. Yeah, all.

44:54 Thankfully all of the policies were actually paid because there

44:57 was an active investigation involving her death.

45:01 They, the insurance companies, all this happens regardless of

45:06 of what's going on. The insurance companies will pay

45:08 out that death benefit, but they will only pay it into a trust.

45:12 They will not pay it to the beneficiaries.

45:14 Yes, until that the case is the open case is closed.

45:18 Absolutely, which is great SOP. Yeah, yeah.

45:22 Yep, Yep. So, you know, pass.

45:25 Suck on shit, Jared. You can't get the money that you

45:29 were so desperately wanting for. And why?

45:33 Yep. Were you in roughly $1,000,000

45:36 worth of debt at this time? That's crazy.

45:38 Crazy no? Yeah.

45:41 On. May 11th they held her funeral.

45:44 Can I just? Go back.

45:45 Just I'm sorry, this is the other bit that just really got

45:48 to me and it really stood out to me as just being horrific.

45:51 So when Allison went missing, they actually set up like a

45:54 command post at Brook filled showgrounds.

45:57 And so that's where, you know, Gerard was going and well, he

46:01 was actually not actively participating.

46:03 He didn't. Actually participate any other

46:05 searches? Which just blows my mind.

46:07 Oh, but he had to be. There for his kids, even though

46:09 his kids were being looked after by his mum and dad and he was at

46:12 the command post 'cause he wanted to know information but

46:14 he didn't actually wanna help. But the day that Allison's body

46:18 was found, which was on the 30th of April in 2012, Allison's mum

46:25 phoned Jared and said I just need to see the girls.

46:28 Like obviously she was devastated and the likelihood

46:32 was that the body that they'd found was Allison.

46:35 So this is as a mother, I cannot even imagine that all.

46:42 I cannot even imagine that. And I'm so sorry that her family

46:45 had to go through that. And he said, no, you can't see

46:50 them. Sorry.

46:52 What the fuck? Why?

46:54 And then when they when it came time to so obviously then

46:58 Allison's death, you know, Allison's identity was confirmed

47:01 and the coroner had released her body and it was time to plan for

47:04 the funeral. Jared refused to meet with at

47:09 the house with Allison's mom and dad, and so he offered in his

47:15 totally generous spirit to meet with Alison's dad at a park.

47:22 Huh. But only.

47:23 Alison's dad. What?

47:24 Yeah, that's the. Weirdest thing ever.

47:27 It's so fucking. Weird, he would all he.

47:29 Wanted to be together and wait for it, he.

47:32 Brought a digital recorder Oh yeah to the conversation and

47:36 recorded it. Cock.

47:38 He had demands, yeah. Yeah, so his demands.

47:41 Were. Oh, sorry.

47:42 Yeah, No, no, no. It's fine.

47:43 No, totally. Go for it.

47:44 Go for it. His demands?

47:45 Were Yeah, there must be a Scout emblem on the front cover of the

47:49 funeral booklet. What the Now they had Alison.

47:53 By this stage she had 0 involvement with the Scouts, no?

47:56 And he was unsuccessful in what he did with the scouts, Yeah.

48:00 Oh, but Baden, Baden, Baden, Baden.

48:04 He wanted to make A and he called it a speech.

48:07 Yeah. At her.

48:09 Funeral. And he wanted to be the last

48:11 person to speak. Yeah.

48:14 Was there another demand? I feel like there were.

48:16 More than that, or something to do with the girl, his threat was

48:19 that if he didn't have all these things met that he wouldn't let

48:23 the girls attend the funeral. What the fuck?

48:27 How do you use your children? Because he's in that moment.

48:30 Absolute cock. What?

48:31 He's an absolute cock. 600 people attended the funeral and

48:35 the police were, you know, hoping that they would be able

48:40 to catch him out. So they actually put a recording

48:42 device in the flowers that were on top of Alice that was coffin

48:45 that that he would. Arrive early enough that he

48:48 would have like some time just with her, like as you would as a

48:50 grieving husband in, in a normal scenario, the first to arrive,

48:55 the 1st to arrive have some time just you and her like, you know,

48:59 kind of stuff to have your moment of goodbye.

49:02 And so they thought that it might be an opportunity that he

49:04 might speak openly to coffins kind of thing and that they

49:08 would record then that that and see what they could get with

49:11 that. But unfortunately he arrived

49:13 late to the funeral with the with the girls.

49:17 So they unfortunately missed that opportunity to have that.

49:21 But hats off to them to thinking of it.

49:22 Oh no, I love. It love it.

49:24 Yeah, 'cause they were on. To him, yeah.

49:25 They. Were oh, they were on to him on

49:27 20th of July. Yeah, I believe.

49:30 Yeah, I believe. One of the very senior police

49:32 officers in Queensland police at the time attended the funeral

49:36 and went up, went up to to Jared at the end and shook his hand

49:41 and said mate, I'm really sorry for your loss.

49:44 And Jared said to him I really hope you find who did this.

49:47 And he looked in dead in the eye and said, we will, don't you

49:51 worry, we'll get him. I love that.

49:54 Oh, I love it because he one. 100% knew.

49:57 He knew, of course, at that point who.

49:59 Who did this? Yeah, I love that.

50:02 I would have loved to have been him in that moment.

50:04 I know. I know.

50:05 Yeah, yeah. I hope Jared chat himself

50:09 because at the end. So let's just say, like at the

50:10 funeral, Jared didn't speak. Yeah, he actually didn't give a

50:13 speech at all at the funeral, to Jeff's credit, 100% because, I

50:17 mean, the funeral now knowing what, you know, the outcome of

50:21 the fact that he was eventually convicted, you know, that you

50:25 wouldn't want him as a memory of speaking at her funeral.

50:28 So he actually just didn't allow any of those things that he said

50:31 to Jared, like what Jared Aldridge demands we're not met.

50:35 Yeah, Jeff didn't allow him to even give a speech, which I just

50:39 go Dad, you know, like go dad. Go on his protect for his

50:42 daughter like. Oh, yeah, yeah.

50:44 So well done, Jeff. You're, you are a good bloke.

50:46 Yeah. Yeah, On the 12th of June 2012,

50:50 Jared was charged with Ellison's murder.

50:53 So this was, they had a strong circumstantial case.

50:57 They didn't have a smoking gun. I guess so.

51:00 But by this stage they were like, well, I think they they

51:03 were kind of, they had to do something.

51:04 Yeah. There was no more evidence to be

51:07 gathered. They had to try and come up with

51:08 a case. There's a lot of public

51:09 pressure. On them too to like I mean

51:11 everyone was like it's him like yeah because in the court of.

51:15 Public opinion it was him, but they had to make sure that the

51:18 case would step up in a court of law, which they felt.

51:20 Very confident in their circumstantial evidence.

51:22 It was very compelling. It had done everything that they

51:25 could in terms of, I mean, I love the the you could probably

51:28 speak a bit more medically on this in terms of the biologist

51:30 who they brought in to look at the leaf and the the other

51:33 botanist. So there was a number of foliage

51:37 bits and pieces that were found within her hair and those sorts

51:39 of things that this guy came in. He was a local guy, but he also

51:43 did work for the government. He was legit.

51:44 It wasn't just some random person they brought in to do

51:46 this. He was, it's, he was in the role

51:48 to do this, but just happened to be a local.

51:51 And he found that there were none of those particular bits of

51:55 stick sleeves, whatever that were found were not to be found

51:58 in the area where her body was found.

52:00 There was none of that was there.

52:01 So they were only present at the Badenclay residence.

52:05 Sorry this. Man is incredible.

52:07 His name is Doctor Gordon Geimer.

52:09 Yeah. He was the director of the QLD

52:11 Herbarium. So they, they provided us an A

52:14 free identification service. So if you were, if you lived in

52:17 the area and you had a plant or a shrub or something that you

52:20 wanted identified, you could actually take it to them and

52:22 they would identify it for you for free, even when.

52:24 It's dead when I do that. To them, yours are

52:27 unidentifiable by the time you've gotten to them.

52:30 So they engaged his so they they paid him to come and have a look

52:36 at the site and and all of that. And he what he found they out of

52:40 the six exhibits that they'd taken off Allison's body before

52:45 they moved her, there were two species that were found at

52:49 Collar Creek and four that were not.

52:53 He then, in his own time, over 2 weekends, attended 500 different

53:00 sites, Yeah, in and around the area, basically from Color Creek

53:04 all the way back to where the Baden Clays lived, to their

53:06 house and slightly beyond their house.

53:09 He was not able out of those 500 data points, he was not able to

53:14 find one other place that contained all six.

53:19 All six of. Those, yeah, species that were

53:22 found, yeah. He found one site out of 500

53:25 that had five of them. Yeah, none of the rest.

53:29 None of any of the 500 had all six aside from the Badenclay's

53:33 backyard, Yeah. One of them in particular was

53:36 hanging off of like the route, the carport where the Captiva

53:41 was parked. So the thought is of like sort

53:43 of as getting her into the boot of the car was hanging literally

53:47 right there shoulder or something.

53:48 Yeah that there's her hair's got, you know, caught on that as

53:51 he's like putting her in the boot of the car 'cause that's

53:53 literally where this whatever sort of Ivy, I don't know,

53:56 plants are not my thing. Again hanging off of the the

53:59 roof of the carport. So I mean, yeah, circumstantial,

54:03 yes, but fuck me. Like we're pretty, pretty close

54:07 here to finding out that she was definitely at home.

54:11 Yes. And then at Color Creek, yes.

54:13 And not walking along to Color Creek or, you know, and the

54:17 other thing was that they really flex obviously with no fractures

54:20 and things like that, falling wasn't really a possibility, but

54:24 only that where her body was was under the bridge.

54:27 So she couldn't have say jumped off the bridge or fallen off the

54:30 bridge. And we know she.

54:31 Hadn't been in the water, no. There was no water in her lungs

54:34 or anything, so it's not like she'd accidentally drowned and

54:36 washed up there, no OR. Tripped and fallen from the, you

54:39 know, the top of the bank. They had to fall there.

54:40 It just wasn't happened. It was impossible.

54:43 Yeah. So the circumstantial evidence

54:45 that they had at this point was scratch marks on his face and

54:49 chest and obviously he had the like wounds on his hands as

54:52 well. They had the blood in the car in

54:55 the Captiva. They had the affair, yeah, they

54:58 had the insurance and when he tried to all of the the timing

55:02 of all of that. Can I just?

55:03 One thing about the scratches on his face too.

55:05 Yes, so the in the days after he went to see a doctor, right that

55:09 he on his off his own bat, you know, off his own bat, went to

55:12 the doctors to get them checked out to prove, you know, no,

55:14 they're they're razor cuts, right to actually went to two

55:17 different doctors. He went to two.

55:19 So the first one said, oh, no, no, I'm pretty sure they're not

55:21 razor cuts. The second one, he went to a

55:23 female doctor. She just happened to have had

55:26 the extensive experience in her training around razor cuts and

55:31 categorically was like, they're not razor cuts.

55:33 No, I just. Love that he found the one

55:35 doctor in Queensland who was an expert expert in it and against

55:39 him though. Yeah, absolutely.

55:40 But not only that, let's hit the nail on the head.

55:42 With that, he left that appointment with her handing

55:45 over his business card saying if you ever want to catch up for

55:49 coffee, give me a call. He hit on her.

55:58 He was. There Yep to.

56:00 His wife to. Disprove the fact that he'd had

56:03 any involvement in his wife's disappearance.

56:05 Yep, but if he could get some, he'd try it.

56:09 Oh, because there's. Another moment where another

56:11 agent, not Tony Mccue, another agent altogether, where he'd hit

56:15 on her and he and she her response, she rejected him.

56:18 She said on I'm not interested. And he goes, well, if you're not

56:21 interested in that job, I've got another job for you.

56:23 Do you need my wife killed? Oh yeah, whoops, what an idiot.

56:28 Got his. I mean, that was and that was

56:29 well before she was murdered, but like, Oh my God, the other.

56:34 Circumstantial evidence they that they have is that 2 days

56:37 before Alison went missing Jared Google taking the 5th and he

56:44 also then googled self incrimination minutes before

56:47 dialling 000. Yeah.

56:49 So there's a little bit around. This there is a bit around this,

56:51 so I'll take the taking the fifth one if you want.

56:55 So apparently the night that he googled taking the 5th, which

56:58 was a couple of days before Alison went missing, he and his

57:02 mum and mummy and daddy yeah were watching The Good Wife, an

57:05 episode of The Good Wife that was airing on TV that night.

57:08 And the police have actually gone back and actually, no,

57:12 sorry, his defence team went back and found that during The

57:16 Good Wife, taking the 5th was actually mentioned three times.

57:21 And so their explanation for that was that he was just

57:26 Googling to see what that actually meant after watching

57:28 The Good Wife. Now I can, I can actually come

57:31 at that because taking the 5th isn't something that we have in

57:34 Australia. It's not an Australian.

57:37 I mean, taking we know. I mean, I know from watching

57:39 American TV shows. Taking the 5th means you're not,

57:41 you don't speak when you're asked a question to incriminate

57:44 yourself. Yeah, you're not going to

57:45 increase. So yeah, to stop you from self

57:48 incriminating. He might not have known that

57:51 because he was a dip shit, but in context of the show I.

57:55 Think he could have probably figured it out figured that out,

57:58 but maybe they. Wanted an exact definition but I

58:00 think what. He wanted to know was does that

58:02 apply in Australia, not just America?

58:05 Because then, but they were. Able to explain that away.

58:07 So that was then and. They also take that as they.

58:10 Want Yeah, so they. It can also.

58:12 Basically what happened was though the the final search, so

58:16 after searching for taking the 5th, the next Google search was

58:23 around incrimination, yeah, self incrimination.

58:25 So and that supposedly was the last search he made prior on the

58:29 day on the phone. Now what they've actually proved

58:32 though is that it they all happened at the same time

58:36 because when he opened up his phone to search for the Brisbane

58:42 police. Police number.

58:44 The phone what and might your phone will still do it to this

58:46 day. It's not even just a 2012 thing

58:48 of like, you know, your browser reopens and so it can it like

58:51 researches like it opens up refreshes again.

58:55 Yeah. So it looks as though you've

58:56 searched for it at that time when actually, in actual fact,

59:00 the search was done a few days prior.

59:01 OK, so still don't think I still think that he was kind of like,

59:04 oh, this one. Does think what if that would

59:06 apply to me? Yeah.

59:07 I don't think that there that it's not completely.

59:10 Innocent but but. There is.

59:12 AI guess a legitimate explanation.

59:13 Yeah, I don't think he's legitimate on the.

59:15 Day of of actually, you know, the morning of him doing this, I

59:18 don't think he's done that and kind of then gone.

59:20 Oh, now I'll ring the police. Yeah.

59:21 Agreed. I think he's.

59:22 Done that the days prior with all this going through his mind,

59:24 I still think that that incriminates him to intent,

59:27 yeah. Although, OK, we can let's just

59:30 say we scrap the taking the 5th, we scrap the self incrimination.

59:34 Did you know, I didn't know this until looking into this, but did

59:37 you know that your iPhone records when you plug your

59:39 charger in? Yes.

59:41 So he actually plugged his charger in for his iPhone at

59:44 1:46 AM the morning. But he was.

59:48 Asleep he was. In a deep sleep from 10:00 PM

59:52 till 6:00 AM. Never woke, never stirred, but

59:55 his phone was. Plugged in at 1:46 AM His.

59:58 Defense team said that Allison had plugged that in.

1:00:00 Don't. Think she can do that from Color

1:00:03 Creek? No, it's a bit.

1:00:04 Far sorry also you have to no, I'm never going to say that.

1:00:11 So the other thing is that when they did the forensic search of

1:00:17 his phone, the police said there was a FaceTime phone call from

1:00:22 his phone to his dad's phone at 12:30 AM.

1:00:27 This actually was then found to not be true because his dad's

1:00:31 phone was unable to receive a FaceTime phone call because he

1:00:34 had a much older iPhone. So they think that that didn't

1:00:38 happen, but then his dad, like what explains the two cars?

1:00:42 I reckon maybe not a FaceTime call happened.

1:00:45 Maybe a another like a normal phone call happened because and

1:00:50 then and you could see that something had tried to be

1:00:53 deleted at that time too. They know he tried to delete

1:00:55 something, but they could they didn't know what he'd tried to

1:00:58 delete. I reckon he tried to delete the

1:00:59 phone call to call his dad and be like, fuck, I fucking

1:01:02 murdered Alison, what do I do? And then his dad comes.

1:01:05 They take Alison in the Captiva to Colorado Creek.

1:01:10 Then they bring the Captiva back.

1:01:13 But the dads followed in his car.

1:01:14 For some reason. I don't really understand what

1:01:16 they were they were they planning on leaving the Captiva

1:01:18 there? I don't really.

1:01:19 Maybe that was. Part of the thought process.

1:01:21 And they were like, oh, no, maybe she walked to here.

1:01:22 Maybe. I don't think there's been a

1:01:24 whole like, you know, discussion about how we're going to stage

1:01:26 this now, like obviously. That woman, the flight attendant

1:01:29 and her husband saw two cars. They both saw the two cars and

1:01:34 they. And I don't know how much

1:01:36 credibility there is in this because I haven't read the book,

1:01:39 but and I believe it's in the book that there's mention of her

1:01:43 saying I know who the man I can identify.

1:01:45 Yeah, she. So that is true.

1:01:47 I've gotten to that point. Yeah.

1:01:48 So she says that I know who I saw.

1:01:53 Yeah. But they haven't actually

1:01:56 released that in the book because they're worried about

1:02:00 being liable for. For that.

1:02:03 So yeah, take the fact what you will, there's no, there's not

1:02:07 really any further information to that in the book.

1:02:08 No, you're not actually. Going to get much?

1:02:10 Further there. Yeah, right.

1:02:13 So he's been arrested. Yeah.

1:02:15 He's been denied bail at his at his initial bail clearing.

1:02:18 Thank the justice system for that.

1:02:20 Absolutely. He was found guilty of murder on

1:02:24 the 15th of July 2014. It was obviously the trial only.

1:02:29 The trial went for six weeks 4 weeks.

1:02:31 Just over 4 weeks, OK, right. Yeah.

1:02:33 The jury took a little while to come to their conclusion.

1:02:35 But not I think. I think it was 5.

1:02:36 Days, yeah, yeah. Four or five days, yeah.

1:02:40 However, these charges were downgraded due to an appeal by

1:02:45 his defence on the 8th of December to manslaughter.

1:02:50 Now he the claim was that manslaughter wasn't sort of

1:02:56 considered and wasn't able to be considered by the jury.

1:03:01 Now I'm kind of disgusted by this whole application to the

1:03:04 court, to the appellate. Court.

1:03:06 Yeah, And how they. Came to this conclusion that it

1:03:09 was so that it was a downgrade to manslaughter.

1:03:14 They basically said that it was intractably neutral on his issue

1:03:19 of intent of to kill now. So within the within the trial,

1:03:24 they were basically saying that there was nothing that proved

1:03:27 his intent. He had intent to kill and that

1:03:29 entirely and even his actions after the murder were neutral to

1:03:35 his intent. So I have a real issue with

1:03:39 this. And I really feel like that

1:03:40 there needs to be legal action in terms of a redefining of what

1:03:46 intent is and how it can be presented.

1:03:49 Because plain and simply, if he had, because the definition

1:03:53 between the difference of manslaughter and and murder, is

1:03:55 this intention that you had to kill or to to was it grievous

1:04:01 bodily harm? So he clearly whether he

1:04:07 intended to kill her that night, he intended to cover it up.

1:04:12 And get away with that. I think there was intent to kill

1:04:14 anyway, so. That to me equals intention

1:04:17 absolutely. Have a think about the phone

1:04:18 call he made to the insurance company a week before she died.

1:04:20 There was like. What's going?

1:04:21 He was, absolutely. And the even the comment to the

1:04:24 the real estate person. Oh well, you know, why don't

1:04:27 you? Or I could give you the job of

1:04:28 killing my wife. The thought of.

1:04:30 Killing his his wife had been on his mind enough the on that

1:04:35 night whether he walked into that house that night going yet

1:04:37 tonight. So I'm going to murder her or

1:04:39 whether or not an argument ensued any.

1:04:40 And then in that that's happened.

1:04:42 That's still intent, I think. The fact that Tony had found out

1:04:46 that Allison was attending the conference, Tony wasn't happy

1:04:50 that that because Tony had only just found out that Allison was

1:04:53 attending the same comp same conference as her that day.

1:04:55 And she'd said to to Jared, you need to let her know.

1:05:00 Like, I'm not happy about this. This is fucked, basically.

1:05:03 Yeah. And like that to me as well, is

1:05:08 a potential motive. I don't.

1:05:10 I actually don't think that he cared too much for Tony Mccue.

1:05:15 Like as in like, I actually don't think, and I don't think

1:05:18 he killed her. I don't think he killed Alison

1:05:20 to be with Tony. Oh no.

1:05:22 I agree, right. I fully agree with that.

1:05:24 So I think it was. Obviously a catalyst in terms of

1:05:26 their argument, all those sorts of things.

1:05:28 I completely agree with that. Yeah.

1:05:30 So what they, they also said at this appeal was that there was

1:05:33 not enough evidence of a relative motive.

1:05:36 Now you don't have to prove motive for murder.

1:05:38 However, come back to what motive in this scenario is.

1:05:43 We talked about the financial, financial gain of like

1:05:46 $1,000,000 that he would get out of her, her.

1:05:48 Insurance. And he cared about money.

1:05:50 He did. Absolutely care about money, but

1:05:52 I also think plain and simply his ego was being hit.

1:05:57 Now he had a failing business that his partners, etcetera, who

1:06:03 had said to him he needs to bring in other people to fix

1:06:05 this. And one of those people was his

1:06:07 wife who was well respected and good at what she did.

1:06:11 What if, what if she comes in and fixes this?

1:06:16 That can't happen because then it looks like I, Jared, can't

1:06:19 run the business, but my wife can.

1:06:22 So I think an an ego blow to him as well was the fact that his

1:06:25 partners what well, you're no longer allowed.

1:06:27 You're no longer authorized to make any payments.

1:06:30 Nope. But they let Allison, Yep,

1:06:32 because she. Was.

1:06:34 Decent and. And AD able to do these things.

1:06:37 Yep. So this all then goes back to

1:06:39 the fact that I'm sorry, he was a narcissistic piece of shit.

1:06:42 Yeah, so I was actually reading a medical article around this

1:06:46 link between all these narcissist people and murder.

1:06:49 Sure. Narcissistic rage stronger

1:06:53 grounds for in this particular case, this is actually one

1:06:55 around the Ellison batting Clay. OK, so a medical article written

1:06:58 about this. OK, there are strong grounds for

1:07:01 concluding that he had narcissistic personality

1:07:03 disorder, a consequence of which can be particular susceptibility

1:07:08 to narcissistic injury and narcissistic rage if the person

1:07:12 perceives themselves as threatened by attack to their

1:07:14 reputation and integrity. So I honestly believe his whole

1:07:20 intent here was Allison is showing me up.

1:07:23 Yep, and that can't happen. Yep.

1:07:25 Plus by getting rid of her I have a financial gain and I can

1:07:28 I then have fixed the problem in my business and I look good

1:07:32 again. So I walk away from this says

1:07:36 look at this, this man has put up with he's like, you know,

1:07:38 he's lost his wife and he's fixed his business all at once

1:07:41 and got in. Look at him.

1:07:41 He's doing so well. So you.

1:07:43 Think the timing that actually makes a lot of sense.

1:07:45 So the timing, Allison had started tipping the business in

1:07:48 the right direction in terms of her fixing.

1:07:50 He was in her involvement to the point where he could then kind

1:07:53 of take that over and take that on himself and and be the hero

1:07:57 in that story. Yeah.

1:07:59 But if she was around, they would look.

1:08:01 Couldn't she do that? She it would everyone been like,

1:08:03 oh, thank God you brought Allison in.

1:08:05 She's she's fixed this. She's amazing.

1:08:07 She's which? Yes, amazing.

1:08:08 She, she, that's. Exactly what she would have done

1:08:11 I I actually reckon that that was a smart move to do is bring

1:08:14 in that intelligent woman who knew what to do to fix this.

1:08:17 Yeah, who had skill set in this Yeah, and then.

1:08:21 But that wouldn't have looked good for him 'cause he's the

1:08:23 little wife's. Come in and fix this.

1:08:25 Not you, mate. Yeah, my.

1:08:26 God, yeah. I really, honestly feel like

1:08:29 more research needs to be done. Yeah, into this narcissistic

1:08:33 personality disorder, the link to DV, all those sorts of things

1:08:37 because we are having way too many women lose their lives to

1:08:40 men they know, most likely intimate partners.

1:08:43 We lost 101 women in 2024 in Australia to this kind of

1:08:47 scenario. We are on track again this year

1:08:50 to the same number. We've lost 12 women, women

1:08:52 already with today's the 28th of February at 12 for the year.

1:08:57 It's not good enough. And if we need as a society need

1:08:59 to know this information about people, and I'm not saying every

1:09:03 narcissist is a murderer, but coercive control and narcissism

1:09:07 is. There's so much in that that if

1:09:09 we do more research into that and knowing, understanding these

1:09:11 personality disorders, we can do more to protect women.

1:09:15 Well said. Well said.

1:09:18 Yeah. Ellison's family So the three

1:09:23 girls went to live with their maternal grandparents.

1:09:26 And so they ended up raising their grandchildren, and they've

1:09:30 turned. Out to be amazing.

1:09:32 Amazing. Young women, I believe they're

1:09:35 Ellison Dickey's eldest daughter is a ballerina.

1:09:39 They all go. By Dickey.

1:09:40 They don't. They don't hold the beaten clay

1:09:42 name. Yep, they've.

1:09:43 Gotten rid of it and of course they have and they are now the

1:09:49 faces of the Ellison Betting Clay foundation.

1:09:54 I believe they use that name still because it's recognizable

1:09:57 to people in the media. Although Ellison is referred to

1:10:01 as Ellison Dickey on the website.

1:10:04 They are an amazing foundation and they, the girls and

1:10:11 Ellison's family and friends, you know, they, they use the,

1:10:15 the funds that are sort of gathered by the foundation to

1:10:17 create awareness for women in similar situations to Ellison.

1:10:20 Their mission is to create a Queensland community that

1:10:22 acknowledges the prevalence of domestic and family violence.

1:10:26 And they're doing a really good job.

1:10:27 Really good. Job they had this day of like a

1:10:30 be kind day which just is lovely yeah that's their.

1:10:33 Motto they've you can actually buy if you want to jump on the

1:10:36 website, you can buy like these really cute T-shirts and stuff

1:10:38 that say be kind and have different slogans.

1:10:41 So, yeah, just, you know, they're, they're those girls

1:10:45 have been through so much. Ellison's mum and dad and her

1:10:47 siblings have been through so much.

1:10:49 And her friends, who they all love her, loved her so much.

1:10:53 And, you know, for everything they've been through, they've

1:10:56 been able to, you know, put together this foundation in her

1:10:59 memory. So what a what a lovely legacy

1:11:02 to such a horrific circumstance. In her journal, one other quote

1:11:06 that we have out of there was that she she actually wrote that

1:11:10 she for one of her wishes for her and Jared was that he treat

1:11:14 me with dignity and respect. That is the absolute bare

1:11:18 minimum. Absolute bare minimum from your

1:11:20 husband. So if you are feeling though you

1:11:24 are not being treated with dignity and respect, get

1:11:28 yourself out, get help. Yeah, yeah.

1:11:31 And it's not your fault. I just realized how long this

1:11:35 episode's going for. Sorry, everyone.

1:11:37 There was a lot to cover. Yeah.

1:11:40 Look, we'll, we'll finish it up really, really quickly.

1:11:42 Thank you to everybody for listening today.

1:11:45 TuneIn next week and we are covering the Farquhsen boys.

1:11:48 That's another Australian. We isn't that what we're doing?

1:11:51 No, I thought. We were doing Belle Gibson.

1:11:53 Oh, we. Are too, Oh my God, sorry we

1:11:54 are. The Farquhsen boys are coming up

1:11:56 so don't get too disappointed. We are covering Belle Gibson, so

1:12:00 have a watch of the Apple Cider vinegar documentary on Netflix,

1:12:05 which I don't believe is completely true to life events,

1:12:07 but you know, it gives you a bit of an idea.

1:12:09 She's a very interesting character in and of herself.

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